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Old 29th Sep 2023, 02:03
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‘We have contingency plans to minimise disruption’

No they don’t.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 02:10
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
‘We have contingency plans to minimise disruption’

No they don’t.
Yeah, what a load of baloney.

They can't even crew flights when its ops normal. Just another idle threat to try and intimidate.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 02:59
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You look after your core asset and they'll look after you. Good faith works in more than one direction.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 03:37
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Originally Posted by MikeHatter732
Yeah, what a load of baloney.

They can't even crew flights when its ops normal. Just another idle threat to try and intimidate.
They really must think everyone except them are stupid,
Where are there F100 pilots they can suddenly call on & on top of that if they did actually find a few 320 drivers on the east coast what a logistical nightmare to get them to Perth.
Just more HR huff & puff.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 03:47
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Where are there F100 pilots they can suddenly call on & on top of that if they did actually find a few 320 drivers on the east coast what a logistical nightmare to get them to Perth.
It would take more than a bunch of spare pilots to keep the show on the road, especially if the different 'entities' operate under separate AOCs.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 03:47
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Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima
I also hope the Eastern, Sunstate and mainline SH pilots are seeing what happens when you threaten to go on strike. It's not 2011 anymore.
Will never happen with SH pilots. They’ve been voting for free reserve coverage and B scales for decades now.

More than a few of them will see this as a suck up opportunity with some extra pay if it goes on more than a day.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 03:52
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Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima

Does anyone know if the Network pilots manage to get yearly salary increases above 3% and/or reject the 2 year wage freeze, do those then automatically get applied to all the Qantas Group EBAs that have already been signed off so far with a 2 year wage freeze and 3% increases? If so, it should be called the Network allowance!
As in, will they give a bunch of people a whole lot of cash, when they don’t legally have to, just out of the goodness of their hearts and because they feel guilty about being d1cks for the last few years?

I’m going to take a wild guess that the answer to that one is ‘no’. Love your optimism though.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 03:53
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The mines won’t stand for distruption.

Will there be a fleet of charter aircraft put on for the FIFO that day?

Great work Network crew, finally an Aussie pilot group standing tall!!
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 04:05
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Most charter/fifo operators ranging from Barons to E190’s have their own clients and schedules to meet with very little flexibly in their own staffing levels. The contingency plan will probably involve an extra day off for outbound mine workers and an extra days slog for those already at site. Unless they can get them all to Port Headland and put on a couple A330’s 🤔
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 04:28
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Originally Posted by HEALY
Most charter/fifo operators ranging from Barons to E190’s have their own clients and schedules to meet with very little flexibly in their own staffing levels. The contingency plan will probably involve an extra day off for outbound mine workers and an extra days slog for those already at site. Unless they can get them all to Port Headland and put on a couple A330’s 🤔
It will probably involve cancelling all RPT and diverting all resources available to mining charter. As usual the travelling public takes a back seat. Lots of FIFO workers are moved around on RPT so the impact on industry will still be significant.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 04:44
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Originally Posted by HEALY
Most charter/fifo operators ranging from Barons to E190’s have their own clients and schedules to meet with very little flexibly in their own staffing levels. The contingency plan will probably involve an extra day off for outbound mine workers and an extra days slog for those already at site. Unless they can get them all to Port Headland and put on a couple A330’s 🤔
Depends who you work for and what role you're in. We can't do more than 7 nights, so after going 7D then 7N we're at our fatigue limit anyway, even if they wanted us to work due to no inbound crew, A we couldn't, and B, we'd need a lay-up/rest day to move back to DS for that coverage. They'd be better off keeping the DS crew on DS to work 8D, 6N.

As for the outgoing crew, there likely won't be any extra days off, as the companies will use the same excuse they do when a cyclone hits on Day14/21 and they keep you on site until the red alert is over..."We are not responsible for flight delays...."
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 04:47
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Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima
Does anyone know if the Network pilots manage to get yearly salary increases above 3% and/or reject the 2 year wage freeze, do those then automatically get applied to all the Qantas Group EBAs that have already been signed off so far with a 2 year wage freeze and 3% increases? If so, it should be called the Network allowance!
I believe there is an agreement in place that any pay rise outside the wages policy would then apply to all the other entities as.well. However, this is QF and they'd probably just ignore such agreement should it become necessary.

They are not going to deviate from the wages policy. What will happen is there will be some cash Under the table to bring the package up. (Just like the engineers and JQ who got more than 3%). But management must be able to stand up and beat their chests declaring that the peasants signed another EBA within the "wages policy."
The alternative is no resolution and this becomes a test case with the new intractable bargaining.laws.
This could be a disaster for QF so can't see them wanting to pursue that avenue.

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Old 29th Sep 2023, 05:07
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
They are not going to deviate from the wages policy.
Let’s just wait and see how that plays out shall we.
QF are no longer in the position to dictate unilateral terms. There hasn’t been a position so favourable to the Pilots in a LONG time.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 05:07
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
I believe there is an agreement in place that any pay rise outside the wages policy would then apply to all the other entities as.well. However, this is QF and they'd probably just ignore such agreement should it become necessary.

They are not going to deviate from the wages policy. What will happen is there will be some cash Under the table to bring the package up. (Just like the engineers and JQ who got more than 3%). But management must be able to stand up and beat their chests declaring that the peasants signed another EBA within the "wages policy."
The alternative is no resolution and this becomes a test case with the new intractable bargaining.laws.
This could be a disaster for QF so can't see them wanting to pursue that avenue.
I was thinking exaclty the same. The base pay will remain as per the 'wages policy' with a (insert name here) annual allowance of $$$ to bridge the gap.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 06:24
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
I believe there is an agreement in place that any pay rise outside the wages policy would then apply to all the other entities as.well. However, this is QF and they'd probably just ignore such agreement should it become necessary.

They are not going to deviate from the wages policy. What will happen is there will be some cash Under the table to bring the package up. (Just like the engineers and JQ who got more than 3%). But management must be able to stand up and beat their chests declaring that the peasants signed another EBA within the "wages policy."
What will be interesting is that if this does end up down the path of an intractable bargaining order, and the commissioner determines that wage increases above 3% are to be awarded, how this would play out with other groups that have the ‘me too’ clause like JQ
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 06:28
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
The alternative is no resolution and this becomes a test case with the new intractable bargaining.laws.
This could be a disaster for QF so can't see them wanting to pursue that avenue.
They’re the ones who used this as a threat. Interesting they would want to open themselves up to a determination given how well they have gone for them recently.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 06:35
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I was thinking exaclty the same. The base pay will remain as per the 'wages policy' with a (insert name here) annual allowance of $$$ to bridge the gap.
Dont vote yes for rubbish like that. Those ‘allowances’ won’t attract Super (that alone could cost you $100K+ depending on your age) and can be removed at the next EA.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 06:42
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They’re the ones who used this as a threat. Interesting they would want to open themselves up to a determination given how well they have gone for them recently.
Totally agree! I see it as a win for the Network guys if it goes down the IB path. The arrogant management team show their inexperience by using government appointed commissioners to decide. The media hype would drive a huge employee win if they went IB.

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Old 29th Sep 2023, 06:55
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What will be interesting is that if this does end up down the path of an intractable bargaining order
The way I see it VH and the board have five issues that are making headlines 1/ The illegal sackings 2/ The ghost flights 3/ The quid pro quo 4/ The Covid flight credits 5/ The timing of Joyce’s share sale regarding ACCC info
If they have half a brain between them they’ll be managing this as one event ( one long fire front ) and be acutely aware that they can’t afford spot fires popping up behind them, they have limited resources. They’ll also be aware that todays big news story is quickly forgotten tomorrow……..unless its media value is annoyingly kept alive by the court system. They will be highly motivated to avoid any new court actions until they have weathered the worst of the storm. The timing on the 4th October couldn’t be better for our WA colleagues.
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 07:05
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Let’s just wait and see how that plays out shall we.
QF are no longer in the position to dictate unilateral terms. There hasn’t been a position so favourable to the Pilots in a LONG time.
Precisely this.
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