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Old 13th Sep 2023, 02:28
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Yes Buzz, Q management are in a very unfavourable and precarious position.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-...taff/102848684
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 03:00
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Sometimes things fall into place , timing is looking good .
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 11:47
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Not in this fight but curious to know what stage things are at. Has the ballot for pia closed? And or has the approved pia started yet?
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 21:34
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Not in this fight but curious to know what stage things are at. Has the ballot for pia closed? And or has the approved pia started yet?
Network, Eastern and Sunstate all had PIA ballots open a few days ago. They will run concurrently with each other and are open for another week and a bit.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 22:57
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And strategically now is the time to strike. Management are fighting fires on all fronts the last they need is have the airline grounded as well. It may be the only time to actually have any leverage. Remember that is how management think too. They would take advantage of a favourable IR situation if they could.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 01:46
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Pilots at Network Aviation Perth should know that guys at Alliance (yes both FO's & Captains) flying the same plane on the same runs to the Pilbara are getting paid almost $40,000 a year more than you?
THAT'S YOUR MORTGAGE PAID FOR !!!!
The pay rates and retention bonus are readily available information. Your management are laughing at you in their offices right now ! In any other civilised country, that would be reason to strike!.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 05:24
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Originally Posted by Busbitch
Pilots at Network Aviation Perth should know that guys at Alliance (yes both FO's & Captains) flying the same plane on the same runs to the Pilbara are getting paid almost $40,000 a year more than you?
THAT'S YOUR MORTGAGE PAID FOR !!!!
The pay rates and retention bonus are readily available information. Your management are laughing at you in their offices right now ! In any other civilised country, that would be reason to strike!.
I believe management is talking about turning the heat up on pilots. Pretty bold bluff when their hand is a 7 of spades and a beer coaster.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 06:57
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I believe management is talking about turning the heat up on pilots. Pretty bold bluff when their hand is a 7 of spades and a beer coaster.
What are they threatening them with? Moving their work to Alliance? All the NA Pilots would get a payrise and improved conditions when they get employed by Alliance.
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Old 20th Sep 2023, 10:24
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Park the jets team.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 13:44
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Originally Posted by Busbitch
Your management are laughing at you in their offices right now ! In any other civilised country, that would be reason to strike!.
Everyone’s having a laugh…high school PE teachers earn more than Network FOs, and that’s just the public system…

should have become a teacher and teach kids how to kick a soccer ball, have 80+ days of vacation per year, long weekends, 9-5, Xmas, Easter, new years you name it.

https://www.education.wa.edu.au/teacher-salaries


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Old 21st Sep 2023, 14:04
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Originally Posted by Jester64
Everyone’s having a laugh…high school PE teachers earn more than Network FOs, and that’s just the public system…

should have become a teacher and teach kids how to kick a soccer ball, have 80+ days of vacation per year, long weekends, 9-5, Xmas, Easter, new years you name it.

https://www.education.wa.edu.au/teacher-salaries
To be fair, those teachers did a four year university degree.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 20:29
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
What are they threatening them with? Moving their work to Alliance? All the NA Pilots would get a payrise and improved conditions when they get employed by Alliance.

I’d expect the IR “experts” will attempt to play on the premise that the company can’t afford to increase/improve anything due to the precarious position “we” are in financially (referring to the Gottliebsen article). This could just be the crisis they’ve been searching for, and thus the perfect self manufactured ace. I wonder how much goodwill they think is left out here and how much anyone cares if the company goes belly up.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 20:51
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Well, the Chairman of the Group just wrote to staff ( did you get it?) and said “Since 2020, executive wages were frozen and annual bonuses weren’t paid, so this year’s remuneration is substantially higher than the past three, especially when you include the recovery program.

The Board members gave themselves, on average after taking out Sampson and some other new addition, a 20% pay increase this year. Would that bring you in line with Alliance or is the problem worse than that? I like to think all QF group employees would use that as a baseline in their upcoming negotiations.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 21:20
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To be fair, those teachers did a four year university degree.
….& some might say that the effort/cost/ATAR/medical requirements for gaining an ATPL, & thus (maybe) employment as a pilot, are far more onerous than many other “degrees”.🤔
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 22:13
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To be fair, those teachers did a four year university degree.
Pilots eh? Ones to always over look risk and the remuneration required to offset said risk.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 22:35
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
To be fair, those teachers did a four year university degree.
Seriously TL? I mean no disrespect to the good hard working teachers in our society, we have many great teachers, and an equal number of totally ****e ones. A degree in teaching isn’t considered one of the tough ones.

Need to stop belittling the worth of our own - they’re worth more than a teacher salary - not because they’re better, or work harder, but because of the inherent risk in the profession. Day to day risk, career risks, medical risks etc.
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 22:38
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Not to mention the ongoing study with Sims/Line Checks/general accountability. Very few professions have that. As much as the education sector hate to admit it degrees don’t equate to higher salaries in this country. It’s a myth they have perpetuated for a while now but it is now becoming apparent the emperor has no clothes. People are leaving university to do trades due to the lack of career opportunity and money on offer plus just the cost/benefit of degrees has shifted. Federal Governments of both colours also refuse to add trades to the immigration program restricting labour supply. But they will always allow degree qualified people in and also airline pilots.

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Old 21st Sep 2023, 22:54
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
I’d expect the IR “experts” will attempt to play on the premise that the company can’t afford to increase/improve anything due to the precarious position “we” are in financially (referring to the Gottliebsen article). This could just be the crisis they’ve been searching for, and thus the perfect self manufactured ace. I wonder how much goodwill they think is left out here and how much anyone cares if the company goes belly up.
It’s fortunate that staff and the public have not taken this much interest in a company’s finances for a very long time- someone is currently running a first class anti-Qantas PR campaign. Spin works if you’re dealing with an apathetic public. That doesn’t seem to be the case here. 🤞🏽
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 23:26
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No, nobody “owns” a route but NAA was set up to service the resource sector primarily with charter ops for mining clients.

Perth Darwin is now a Netlink airbus.
Perth Broome same story.
Rumours of Adelaide and Hobart potentially going.

So tell me where does this stop? The company argues right aircraft right route. The bus and maggot are pretty damn similar. Then they argue that J class doesn’t sell anyway on these routes, when last year they increased Perth Hobart services as they wanted more J class on that route due to premium demand.
The Darwin and Broomes aren’t full. So you fill 140 economy seats out of 162 on the 737 or 140 economy on the a320 which I think has 180 total. What’s the difference? It’s the wages.

Mainline has the airbus 320 family on their EBA now. They could give a few of them to mainline right now instead of Network and keep them all economy to satisfy that lie about no demand for J class.

So why don’t they?

They claim the planes aren’t utilised much so they go to Network then literally, and I’m not making this up, five minutes later claim Network planes aren’t utilised enough between charters so that’s why they’ve gotten the ex-mainline RPTs.

Hundreds on hold with mainline. It’s the job almost everyone wants. It would sure help fix the lack of progression at mainline all thanks to management slowly carving everything up to poorly paid subsidiaries. Hell, it might even begin attracting people to SH if they see a stronger future there, instead people are turning it down happy to wait for an SO slot as there’s no glamour in SH.

So tell me where this is meant to end? Maybe when Netlink are running a320s between Melbourne and Sydney?
Those coming in for the 7 hours of log book time for a juicy Darwin return for $360 to save the day sure aren’t helping anyone.

Stop helping the company. Do the minimum and let them struggle. Then maybe they’ll really have no choice but to consider raising conditions when nobody answers their phone.

And no, not an entitlement just because 15 years ago I was still studying. I’ve had the older generation tell me over the years what it took to get the wins we all enjoy now especially on the LH EBA. I have thirty years left in this game as do my friends and colleagues. So excuse me for getting a little annoyed when all I’ve seen in my short time in the group is a continuous erosion of everything and expansion only in the subsidiaries.

Really makes you want to bang your head against a wall when you hear that until recently a large portion of Network pilots weren’t part of a union.
”The job everyone wants” You poor delusional little brat. You sit and throw stones and judge others for making career choices all whilst sitting in the RHS at an antiquated, inexperienced establishment. You are that guy that makes excuses for having the ugly girl friend when the truth is that you are too lazy to take matters into you own hand. I know numerous guys and gals that have joined Network and have far more heavy jet time than most of your colleagues at the White Rat. Perhaps it’s them that are taking the fight to the business.
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 01:14
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Well now there’s the kind of logic that I was hoping to find here. /s
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