QF mandates Vaccine
It states what was said pages ago. No jab, no job.
Is it lawful? Didn’t SPC or someone just win a case about it?
how will they police it? Probably the same was as something like a passport or visa. . If a jab is required, it will be required by a certain date. No jab, stand down until you get it.
Is it lawful? Didn’t SPC or someone just win a case about it?
how will they police it? Probably the same was as something like a passport or visa. . If a jab is required, it will be required by a certain date. No jab, stand down until you get it.
Excellent, at least the company is now responsible for it. It remains to be seen if it is lawful. Most of us in the business community are back peddling on this issue for that reason. Who pays, who polices it and how do we do this. We think it's all too hard and un-necessary. We intend to wait it out and see what happens.
P.S what does the policy state
P.S what does the policy state
- Who pays? The government, it’s free
- Who polices it? The same people who police any licenses/Medicals/permits you are required to have.
- How do we do this? You say “send us your vaccination certificate”
Quite simple really.
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,069
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes
on
11 Posts
Everything else someone has to do, it remains to be seen how "quite simple really" that will be in practice.
It states what was said pages ago. No jab, no job.
Is it lawful? Didn’t SPC or someone just win a case about it?
how will they police it? Probably the same was as something like a passport or visa. . If a jab is required, it will be required by a certain date. No jab, stand down until you get it.
Is it lawful? Didn’t SPC or someone just win a case about it?
how will they police it? Probably the same was as something like a passport or visa. . If a jab is required, it will be required by a certain date. No jab, stand down until you get it.
Canned food giant SPC has been cleared by Victoria's work safety regulator of not properly consulting staff on its COVID-19 vaccination mandate.
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Mycenae
Posts: 494
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Send email to all staff telling them to get vaccinated and send in certificate.
As staff send in certificates, upload them to recency management software.
After deadline send list of unvaccinated staff to HR for termination.
EndEx.
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Mycenae
Posts: 494
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pretty sure it's now policy at Virgin and Rex, so your options for a career path in Aviation are diminishing fast if un-vaccinated. The RAAF also has mandatory vaccination, inclusive of covid vaccine, prior to deployment.
And if you get caught doing it, you will probably never work in an airline again or hold an ASIC. I could forge numerous things, if i did and got caught, I pay the penalty, so it's stupid to say it's something related to Covid.
I mean I could get an Uzi and do drive by shootings of shops that don't let me in, is it possible, yes, is it legal, no, is it stupid.....
From the abc, it takes about 10 minutes to fake a vaccination certificate ....
I mean I could get an Uzi and do drive by shootings of shops that don't let me in, is it possible, yes, is it legal, no, is it stupid.....
Create new recency item in employee recency management software with expiry on relevant deadline.
Send email to all staff telling them to get vaccinated and send in certificate.
As staff send in certificates, upload them to recency management software.
After deadline send list of unvaccinated staff to HR for termination.
EndEx.
Send email to all staff telling them to get vaccinated and send in certificate.
As staff send in certificates, upload them to recency management software.
After deadline send list of unvaccinated staff to HR for termination.
EndEx.
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,069
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes
on
11 Posts
The whole issue of Lawful isn't a problem whilst a State of Emergency exists, once that no longer applies all those health directives are no longer relevant.
In terms of practical it's less of an issue for company staff where there are few and the turn over is low, it becomes a problem when there are many and the turn over is high and those same conditions apply to the business clientele. In an Airlines case, it's passengers. Not all business's can use a flight attendant to check as you pass through the boarding process 3 times.
If it's flawed it won't work. I see it as just another fatigue related issue that will end up ugly.
In terms of practical it's less of an issue for company staff where there are few and the turn over is low, it becomes a problem when there are many and the turn over is high and those same conditions apply to the business clientele. In an Airlines case, it's passengers. Not all business's can use a flight attendant to check as you pass through the boarding process 3 times.
If it's flawed it won't work. I see it as just another fatigue related issue that will end up ugly.
The whole issue of Lawful isn't a problem whilst a State of Emergency exists, once that no longer applies all those health directives are no longer relevant.
In an Airlines case, it's passengers. Not all business's can use a flight attendant to check as you pass through the boarding process 3 times.
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,069
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes
on
11 Posts
From flight staff perspective, I doubt there are any antivaxxers, that's something all of us knew would be necessary when we signed up. The issue will be the 3% the vaccine simply doesn't work for, which in a practical sense is no different to an unvaccinated person.
From flight staff perspective, I doubt there are any antivaxxers,
From flight staff perspective, I doubt there are any antivaxxers, that's something all of us knew would be necessary when we signed up. The issue will be the 3% the vaccine simply doesn't work for, which in a practical sense is no different to an unvaccinated person.
I look at this from the medical point of view, the vaccination does far less harm, and has better outcomes than getting the virus. So the vaccination wins my vote. If others take it to mandatory settings, it has no real harm and has benefits. The only real downside is the loss of some rights of choice. I could still choose to go un-vaccinated and restrict my movement potential and career choices and be legal. I could choose to forge documents and say I'm vaccinated and be illegal, just like I could choose to run a red light today and close my eyes for fun, nothing stopping me from doing it.
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,069
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes
on
11 Posts
[QUOTE=43Inches;11123951Airlines are moving to mandate only staff be vaccinated, pretty sure like allergy control they won't be doing much to check passengers.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case and I hope you're right, then there's no need for a mandate then, leave it to everyone's own common sense.
If that's the case and I hope you're right, then there's no need for a mandate then, leave it to everyone's own common sense.
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The Swan Downunder
Posts: 1,069
Likes: 0
Received 21 Likes
on
11 Posts
Are they antivaxxers or anti mandate, being an anti mandate, like myself doesn't mean antivaxer.
I agree with you, I wouldn't act for an antivaxxer, but I would and have for anti mandate. We are not doing it,
I agree with you, I wouldn't act for an antivaxxer, but I would and have for anti mandate. We are not doing it,
The airline thing will be interesting to watch, overseas they have some vaxxed only flights, where all passengers are proved vaccinated to purchase. Other flights are only dependent on what the entry requirements of the nation/state they are travelling to. It may come down to what the travelling public want, if they want to pay for vaxxed only flights, they might become the norm.
Both types. True anti vaxxers are very rare though.
Are they antivaxxers or anti mandate,
So there are now two camps apparently.
“Antivaxxers”
“Antimandaters” to vaccination but not anti vaxxers per se.
How is it for professional pilots in particular whom are required to abide by a myriad of strict rules governing the operation in order to keep things disciplined on the flight deck primarily for safety, are questioning the vaccine mandate as unlawful. How can you be so disciplined in one sphere and yet so recalcitrant in another? Would you push a minima? No. Would you let the joker sitting next to you bust a limit knowingly? No. Would you disregard a checklist, thinking you have a better solution? No. So why is it, that for antimandater airline pilots that have spent thousands of hours maintaining a disciplined, safety conscious operation, are now questioning a rule/mandate that ultimately will keep them safe and healthy, relatively.
Is it more to do with your individuality or being told what to do? Are you anti authority? We all suffer from crap rules sometimes. I’ve had my fair share of security altercations that’s for sure, but to put your job on the line for it appears unbalanced. The consequences for complying with the mandate verses saying NO are pretty compelling for YES. Perhaps pride is clouding your logic. I’m afraid I just don’t understand at the end of the day.
Forging a Covid vaccination certificate? Your covid jab info is on line, don't know who has access to your info besides yourself at the moment, but I'm sure it could be made available to anyone the government decides, such as a company HR perhaps who wishes to keep tabs on their employees. Your doctor has access.
So there are now two camps apparently.
“Antivaxxers”
“Antimandaters” to vaccination but not anti vaxxers per se.
“Antivaxxers”
“Antimandaters” to vaccination but not anti vaxxers per se.
