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Old 7th Oct 2021, 02:02
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Originally Posted by FADEC1
Not sure if you've noticed the number of complications these experimental vaccines have dished out on the general sheep population. Realize that they don't even know the long term effects of these experimental "vaccines". As a pilot, I don't like taking chances. I'm sure most don't. So we have corporate who couldn't care less if you die, as long as the plane's OK, telling you to be a lab rat and join the millions of lab rats out there. Sorry, when they make a real vaccine, I'll consider it. Right now, I see it as the biggest con job ever pulled by a couple of greedy pharmaceutical giants. And they have done a wonderful job. Early treatments with existing drugs worked and continue to work, but you are not supposed to know that.
What a load of rubbish. These vaccines have all been subjected to the same process for approval of any vaccine, the timeframe has just been compressed because of the urgency.

It's fine to have preferences, but stating that it is 'experimental' or not a 'real vaccine' is nothing more than emotive claptrap, based on zero knowledge of vaccine production, testing and approval. Unless you're a disease and vaccine expert you're just throwing around nonsense.

Your ridiculous argument could be turned around the other way - what if YOU refuse to get the vaccine and someone you work with who has a valid medical reason for not being able to be vaccinated, catches it from you and dies???? You think any company is just going to say "Ah well, whatever????" Of course not, because they have an obligation to protect not only employees but person(s) they carrier on their aircraft.

I just love how when a topic like this comes up on any forum in PPRuNe, all of a sudden there's people throwing about nonsense that they could not ever know unless they're an expert in the field.

Here's a flash for you - EVERYTHING potentially has side-effects, women taking the contraceptive pill risk blood clots but like AZ, the risk is microscopic.

What's the old saying "you're entitled to your opinion but not your own facts".
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 02:09
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Originally Posted by brokenagain
I always laugh when anti vaxxers describe others as sheep. What they don’t realise is they to are in fact ‘sheep’, just of an increasingly smaller flock.
They certainly do a lot of bleating.......

I put this stuff in the same category as the ex One Neuron Senator from WA who has started a conspiracy theory based on BS over the weekend that the AEC is planning to use dominion voting machines....... the ex Senator involved had to resign from Parliament due to a bankruptcy and was later declared as having been ineligible to sit in parliament because of an indictment or conviction or similar that fell foul of s44.... but, cue the music, the people that get all their 'facts' from facebook started bombarding the AEC with abuse.... no one pays any attention to sources anymore, people just accept sh-t at face value....
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 02:11
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Unless of course it becomes a condition of medicare rebate, which is likely. As an un-vaccinated person is more costly to society as a whole.
But so are smokers, the obese, the disabled, people from low socio economic backgrounds and someone with a rare genetic disorder. There are also people who can't be vaccinated as well. If you want a collectivist health care system that means everyone is in it not just those who are more cost effective. The alternative is to abolish Medicare and go to a health insurance system where you get the health care you can afford.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 02:16
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Originally Posted by FADEC1
Not sure if you've noticed the number of complications these experimental vaccines have dished out on the general sheep population. Realize that they don't even know the long term effects of these experimental "vaccines". As a pilot, I don't like taking chances. I'm sure most don't. So we have corporate who couldn't care less if you die, as long as the plane's OK, telling you to be a lab rat and join the millions of lab rats out there. Sorry, when they make a real vaccine, I'll consider it. Right now, I see it as the biggest con job ever pulled by a couple of greedy pharmaceutical giants. And they have done a wonderful job. Early treatments with existing drugs worked and continue to work, but you are not supposed to know that.

It amazes me that you claim to be a pilot, but amongst other things, seem happy to get Covid and as a result maybe Long Covid and then probably a loss of your medical.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 02:17
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000
Statistically, there's a higher risk of dying of covid. Remember that one?




Reminds me of this image...
Yep.

That sort of cognitive or cerebral failure reminds me of the sort of inability to think that led someone to produce a series of memes about that cretin in Kentucky - an ex QLD 'Science' Teacher who runs an apologetic organization that insists everything in the bible is true and evolution never happened, Noah's Ark is real, etc.

Two that stood out were.......

"The eye is a perfect design, created by a perfect creator...." - "Says the guy wearing glasses"...

"Ken Ham - needs $100,000,000, modern machinery, a huge team of labour, roads, lumber mills AND multiple tax breaks to build a full scale 'replica' of the Ark but never once stops to think, I don't think a 500 year old man could have done this with Bronze-Age tools".
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 02:36
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I would trust a Sky God .


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Old 7th Oct 2021, 02:57
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Well, he is no longer a QF pilot, so he represents himself...like most of those from the skygod area, he has retired.
By appearing in this protest, he is breaking the law by impersonating an aircrew member, apparently there is the possibility of police follow up.
..but don't let the chance go by to use the same brush for the rest of us still employed.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 04:12
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Originally Posted by FADEC1
Not sure if you've noticed the number of complications these experimental vaccines have dished out on the general sheep population. Realize that they don't even know the long term effects of these experimental "vaccines". As a pilot, I don't like taking chances. I'm sure most don't. So we have corporate who couldn't care less if you die, as long as the plane's OK, telling you to be a lab rat and join the millions of lab rats out there. Sorry, when they make a real vaccine, I'll consider it. Right now, I see it as the biggest con job ever pulled by a couple of greedy pharmaceutical giants. And they have done a wonderful job. Early treatments with existing drugs worked and continue to work, but you are not supposed to know that.
What is your idea of a "real" vaccine?
You do know that AZ distribute their vaccine at cost, which explains why the brand was trashed?
I'm assuming that if you get sick you won't be going to hospital to be treated by doctors who are all in on the "biggest con job". You can buy Ivermectin at the local farm supplies shop so you should be fine.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 04:17
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
But so are smokers, the obese, the disabled, people from low socio economic backgrounds and someone with a rare genetic disorder. There are also people who can't be vaccinated as well. If you want a collectivist health care system that means everyone is in it not just those who are more cost effective. The alternative is to abolish Medicare and go to a health insurance system where you get the health care you can afford.
The smokers and drinkers pay a LOT of tax on their addictions.
An equivalent could be to charge the anti-vaxxers much higher medicare levy to reflect the risk that they could take up an ICU be for a few weeks, or better still present them, or thier estate of they die, with the bill..
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An equivalent could be to charge the anti-vaxxers much higher medicare levy to reflect the risk that they could take up an ICU be for a few weeks, or better still present them, or thier estate of they die, with the bill..
Medicare doesn't work like that. It's a flat rate of your income.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 04:35
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Originally Posted by skygeek
Even assuming that those stats were 100% correct which would be highly debatable on its own taking into account the whole PCR reliability saga and questionable case accounting ("with Covid" rather than "from Covid"), that 99% or 98% still does not scare me that much in order to embrace a world-wide shutdown, checkpoints and forced novel injections every 6 months. Again, I am willing take my chances with the virus, thanks. And yes, we do reproduce perfectly fine, thank you for the concern
Holy moving goalposts batman. I'm using the stats that YOU provided to make your idiotic case. Now that you've realized you can't even operate a pocket calculator correctly (multiplication is hard!), suddenly you want to throw shade on the credibility of the very statistics that you provided?!

Did you, or did you not claim the 'survival rate' for COVID is > 99.9%? Did you, or did you not then manage to disprove yourself, by providing evidence stating that rate is out by more than a factor of 20? Simple yes/no questions here.

This kids, is what cognitive bias does to your brain. Imagine coming up with the above and thinking "this makes sense, I better let the internet know immediately!". Jesus.

Originally Posted by FADEC1
As a pilot
Not for much longer I'd wager.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 10:42
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Tested & safe.

Yet another pause while we check the test results.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/1...ger-age-groups
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 16:42
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat
Did you, or did you not claim the 'survival rate' for COVID is > 99.9%? Did you, or did you not then manage to disprove yourself, by providing evidence stating that rate is out by more than a factor of 20? Simple yes/no questions here.
No, I did not ever claim that. No, I did not disprove myself. I suggest you go back and re-read my posts with more attention.

Originally Posted by 43Inches
If you want to sound stupid you can give the definition of Immunity for legal process
Funny you should mention definitions, as by now surely you are aware that WHO for the past two years has been busy changing the very definition of the word immunity (as in "herd immunity"). In October 2020 it was updated to become “a concept used for vaccination”. This change implied that according to WHO the only way to achieve herd immunity was via vaccination, which is bizarre to say the least. Coincidence? More like if the rules do not allow for something to fit the agenda - change the rules. This is yet another reason which makes some of us "science-denying conspiracy-embracing anti-vax lunatics" even more sceptical.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 21:14
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Originally Posted by skygeek
No, I did not ever claim that. No, I did not disprove myself. I suggest you go back and re-read my posts with more attention.
Claim 1 : "Did you, or did you not claim the 'survival rate' for COVID is > 99.9%?"
Originally Posted by skygeek
So far judging by both the official stats ..... the survival rate if not equal to 99.9% must be very close to that.
Claim 2 : "Did you, or did you not then manage to disprove yourself, by providing evidence stating that rate is out by more than a factor of 20?"
Originally Posted by skygeek
As of the time of this post, deaths worldwide were 4,826,757 out of 236,408,387 cases as per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


I'm starting to understand how with a mind like this, the worlds scientific community never stood a chance.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 21:14
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Come on people, what you feel about the vaccine doesn’t matter. If you work for an airline that mandates the vaccine you can discuss the positives of the vaccine during a nice long cruise. If you don’t get the vaccine you can discuss the negatives of the vaccine in your local cafe whilst searching for another job. It is that simple.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 22:53
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Originally Posted by skygeek
Funny you should mention definitions, as by now surely you are aware that WHO for the past two years has been busy changing the very definition of the word immunity (as in "herd immunity"). In October 2020 it was updated to become “a concept used for vaccination”. This change implied that according to WHO the only way to achieve herd immunity was via vaccination, which is bizarre to say the least. Coincidence? More like if the rules do not allow for something to fit the agenda - change the rules. This is yet another reason which makes some of us "science-denying conspiracy-embracing anti-vax lunatics" even more sceptical.
The WHO is just catching up with social trends. You get immunity if you win a particular challenge on Survivor.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 23:06
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We have any number of notifiable diseases. What, if any, restrictions are there placed on some one with TB? Are they permitted to wander about the community?
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 00:03
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We have any number of notifiable diseases. What, if any, restrictions are there placed on some one with TB? Are they permitted to wander about the community?
10 seconds on google, https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...spects_tb.aspx
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 02:42
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You're not supposed to do that SID. I was hoping for some discussion, and folks coming to the realisation that TB and covid are treated in pretty much the same manner.
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