QF mandates Vaccine
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Troo believer: You can't see the anti mandate issue because you are an employee, hard wired in your field to comply with those directions I the employer impose upon you.
I the employer have absolutely no right to impose upon you or anyone else other than myself anything that is both personal and permanent, regardless of what I believe to be a good thing or not. Unless I make it a condition of your employment before I employ you.
I the employer have absolutely no right to impose upon you or anyone else other than myself anything that is both personal and permanent, regardless of what I believe to be a good thing or not. Unless I make it a condition of your employment before I employ you.
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Forging a Covid vaccination certificate? Your covid jab info is on line, don't know who has access to your info besides yourself at the moment, but I'm sure it could be made available to anyone the government decides, such as a company HR perhaps who wishes to keep tabs on their employees. Your doctor has access.
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Xeptu is one confused little person.
He/she is more than happy to get on here and shout from the rooftops about how awesome McGowan is, and what a fabulous job WA is doing. But not willing to support mandatory vaccinations for certain workers, which is the only real way out of this pandemic.
The answer is not hard borders, and definitely not tough talk and spin from Emperor MaoGowan.
He/she is more than happy to get on here and shout from the rooftops about how awesome McGowan is, and what a fabulous job WA is doing. But not willing to support mandatory vaccinations for certain workers, which is the only real way out of this pandemic.
The answer is not hard borders, and definitely not tough talk and spin from Emperor MaoGowan.
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The topic is about health/vaccine mandates made by a Company, it has morphed away from QF specifically.
Anyhow, this topic is done from me, enough said, it's not something I will do for our staff other than health directive compliance.
Extended: Hahaar! all hail Emporer McGowan, how's Gladys getting on.
That's because it is under the control of Federal Health, they have those powers as do the States Health. That doesn't extend outside of those areas of responsibility, except in the case of an individual subject to a health order.
The topic is about health/vaccine mandates made by a Company, it has morphed away from QF specifically.
The topic is about health/vaccine mandates made by a Company, it has morphed away from QF specifically.
I have no idea what your company is Xeptu, it may be perfectly reasonable not to have a vaccine mandate. If, say, it’s an aged care provider for example and your employees were required under State or Federal law to be vaccinated to enter aged care homes though, would you keep employees on in positions where they could not do productive work, or have to make them redundant? Because then you effectively have a vaccine mandate - you could require all new employees to be vaccinated, or existing ones to be vaccinated by a certain date or be placed on unpaid leave as there is no productive work they can do.
Question for you then - if, as has happened, there’s a State order requiring employees of businesses at Sydney Airport to be vaccinated, and it’s a condition of employment that employees work at/fly into Sydney Airport, does that then become an inherent requirement of the job? Making it reasonable to require employees to be vaccinated as a condition of their employment?
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Question for you then - if, as has happened, there’s a State order requiring employees of businesses at Sydney Airport to be vaccinated, and it’s a condition of employment that employees work at/fly into Sydney Airport, does that then become an inherent requirement of the job? Making it reasonable to require employees to be vaccinated as a condition of their employment?
To my knowledge the states haven't mandated anyone outside of their juristiction, health department employees, hospitals, those employed by the state. Note that not all the states have applied that particularly among their own hospitals. I have family in ICU and they have not been mandated. The appropriate way to do this is as an act of federal parliament, all of us including non citizen permanent residents.
If the Federal Government won't do it, what business does a Company/Business have doing it, hence the anti mandate argument. Do it right and you have my support. I don't mind a Company doing it for new employees.
Thats it from me on this issue.
Correction to Statement: Mandate for ICU staff in effect as of mid Sept, family member exempt as are those infected pre vaccine.
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I wasn't going to say anymore about this issue, but I'll answer your question as I understand it. When the federal Government mandated "some airport workers" these are those that fall under their jurisdiction, immigration, border control, quarantine, AFP, there may be others. It doesn't extend to the airport cafe and those business types.
To my knowledge the states haven't mandated anyone outside of their juristiction, health department employees, hospitals, those employed by the state. Note that not all the states have applied that particularly among their own hospitals. I have family in ICU and they have not been mandated. The appropriate way to do this is as an act of federal parliament, all of us including non citizen permanent residents.
If the Federal Government won't do it, what business does a Company/Business have doing it, hence the anti mandate argument. Do it right and you have my support. I don't mind a Company doing it for new employees.
Thats it from me on this issue.
To my knowledge the states haven't mandated anyone outside of their juristiction, health department employees, hospitals, those employed by the state. Note that not all the states have applied that particularly among their own hospitals. I have family in ICU and they have not been mandated. The appropriate way to do this is as an act of federal parliament, all of us including non citizen permanent residents.
If the Federal Government won't do it, what business does a Company/Business have doing it, hence the anti mandate argument. Do it right and you have my support. I don't mind a Company doing it for new employees.
Thats it from me on this issue.
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If they work in ICU in WA then you’re wrong, you can find out more here https://ww2.health.wa.gov.au/~/media...Guidelines.pdf
You’re also off on your ideas on the conditions under which you can tell your employees to get vaccinated but you’re out of that conversation.
You’re also off on your ideas on the conditions under which you can tell your employees to get vaccinated but you’re out of that conversation.
https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/i...-be-vaccinated
And jab 1 by the end of this week….
From Victoria
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/de...directions.pdf.
From WA.
https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...e-workers.aspx
Xeptu you are so full of patronising crap. Go back and crawl under a sand dune somewhere. Seriously please just fuc* off.
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/sites/de...directions.pdf.
From WA.
https://www.mediastatements.wa.gov.a...e-workers.aspx
Xeptu you are so full of patronising crap. Go back and crawl under a sand dune somewhere. Seriously please just fuc* off.
How much of your personal information will you accept being available to anyone the government decides.
P.S Mmmm!!! about friday night megan.....
P.S Mmmm!!! about friday night megan.....
And what about Friday night?
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Forging a Covid vaccination certificate? Your covid jab info is on line, don't know who has access to your info besides yourself at the moment, but I'm sure it could be made available to anyone the government decides, such as a company HR perhaps who wishes to keep tabs on their employees. Your doctor has access.
so yes people will submit fake certificates and yes you will be flying and mixing with unvaxxed crew.
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Can an employer require an employee to be vaccinated?
Employers can only require their employees to be vaccinated where:- a specific law (such as a state or territory public health order) requires an employee to be vaccinated (see COVID-19 vaccinations: legislation and public health orders)
- the requirement is permitted by an enterprise agreement, other registered agreement or employment contract (see Agreements or contracts relating to vaccinations), or
- it would be lawful and reasonable for an employer to give their employees a direction to be vaccinated, which is assessed on a case-by-case basis (see Lawful and reasonable directions to get vaccinated).
Note, that there are circumstances other than a health order or employment contract/EA where an employer can mandate vaccination - where it is 'lawful and reasonable'. Note also that 'lawful and reasonable' is not what you might believe is 'reasonable', but a legal test of fact.
it would be lawful and reasonable for an employer to give their employees a direction to be vaccinated, which is assessed on a case-by-case basis (see Lawful and reasonable directions to get vaccinated).
An employer’s direction to employees performing Tier 1 or Tier 2 work is more likely to be reasonable, given the increased risk of employees being infected with coronavirus, or giving coronavirus to a person who is particularly vulnerable to the health impacts of coronavirus.
You have stated on several posts what you believe are the circumstances an employer can mandate vaccination. To clarify for you and for others that may be confused, the Fair Work website states the following:
Note, that there are circumstances other than a health order or employment contract/EA where an employer can mandate vaccination - where it is 'lawful and reasonable'. Note also that 'lawful and reasonable' is not what you might believe is 'reasonable', but a legal test of fact.
Can an employer require an employee to be vaccinated?
Employers can only require their employees to be vaccinated where:- a specific law (such as a state or territory public health order) requires an employee to be vaccinated (see COVID-19 vaccinations: legislation and public health orders)
- the requirement is permitted by an enterprise agreement, other registered agreement or employment contract (see Agreements or contracts relating to vaccinations), or
- it would be lawful and reasonable for an employer to give their employees a direction to be vaccinated, which is assessed on a case-by-case basis (see Lawful and reasonable directions to get vaccinated).
Note, that there are circumstances other than a health order or employment contract/EA where an employer can mandate vaccination - where it is 'lawful and reasonable'. Note also that 'lawful and reasonable' is not what you might believe is 'reasonable', but a legal test of fact.
There was an interesting commentary in The Australian today in which was addressed, amongst other things, the fear which has been deliberately sowed in the community to help induce compliance among the masses. Obviously you'd disagree though in that the coercion has not abated with the arrival of vaccines but in fact increased, much to the unbounded joy of so many zealots who are climbing over themselves to do the gov't's dirty work for them:
"Until the arrival of vaccines, governments around the world relied on behavioural psychology to coerce citizens to comply with the most extreme quarantine rules imposed for over a century. The public were fed a non-stop diet of bad news devoid of context. New cases have been highlighted rather than deaths, hospitalisations and recoveries, which would have painted a very different picture of the level of threat. It would no doubt be news to most people that 88% of those who have died of Covid-19 or required acute hospital care suffered from at least one other serious condition and that by far the best predictor of life-threatening infection is obesity. The population-wide strategy pursued in most countries would not have been helped by highlighting these and other facts governments, to varying degrees, have suppressed."
On state handling of the event:
"The elevated level of fear in Australia, even now, is exacerbated by the existence of crisis cabinets and the retention of emergency powers. For most people, the unprecedented use of force by Victorian police is not a sign that freedom is being eroded, but a reminder of how bad the virus must be."
And on the bureaucracy:
"The extraordinary powers given to chief health officers since the start of last year has eroded the authority of parliament, diminished the standing of our state political leaders and devalued democracy. It has delivered the kind of policy blunders that become inevitable when too much power is placed in the hands of a few. We have seen the kind of tin-eared insensitivity to human feelings that results from empowering bureaucrats paid to follow the rule book."
It's a sad day when the average Aussie wholeheartedly jumps on board with this totalitarianism but the vast majority of the masses appear to have played their role to the hilt as evidenced:
If some numbnut submits a fake certificate and then gets kicked out of QF, I will laugh so hard I may actually rupture a blood vessel.
