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Old 8th Oct 2021, 03:04
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Come on people, what you feel about the vaccine doesnít matter. If you work for an airline that mandates the vaccine you can discuss the positives of the vaccine during a nice long cruise. If you donít get the vaccine you can discuss the negatives of the vaccine in your local cafe whilst searching for another job. It is that simple.
except you may not be allowed at the cafe. Oh well, can always discuss it over FaceTime from home, with a nice cup of instant that you had home delivered because your local supermarket has decided only vaxxed people can enter
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 03:07
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If you work for an airline that mandates the vaccine you can discuss the positives of the vaccine during a nice long cruise. If you don’t get the vaccine you can discuss the negatives of the vaccine in your local cafe whilst searching for another job. It is that simple.
Since when has your employer been the arbiter of what medical procedures/medications you get to take? There are also people who are getting medical advice not to have the vaccination so where does it leave them? How can you hold a Class 1 medical and get fired on medical grounds?

What's the next crazy social experiment you want everyone to participate in??
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 03:21
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What's the next crazy social experiment you want everyone to participate in??
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 03:26
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98% of hospitalisation in the USA for COVID are people whom are (you guessed it) unvaccinated. CIDRAP.
good luck anti vaxxers you will need it.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 03:42
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You're not supposed to do that SID. I was hoping for some discussion, and folks coming to the realisation that TB and covid are treated in pretty much the same manner.
sorry, in these times itís becoming harder and harder to spot satire
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 04:40
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Since when has your employer been the arbiter of what medical procedures/medications you get to take?
Since the employer carries the responsibility of health and safety in the workplace? Not just for staff but for customers as well.

If we identify a threat, such as catching and spreading Covid that falls in the High to Extreme corner of the risk/severity matrix the procedure is to eliminate or isolate the hazard. Otherwise the employer is up for some hefty fines, quite rightly.

You can google the hazard matrix and the hierarchy of hazard control that we have to go by.

As for medications, yes we can say that if you turn up to work drunk or under the influence of something else you are immediately removed from "safety Sensitive Aviation Activities" and then follow the drug and alcohol management plan.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 04:41
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Since when has your employer been the arbiter of what medical procedures/medications you get to take? There are also people who are getting medical advice not to have the vaccination so where does it leave them? How can you hold a Class 1 medical and get fired on medical grounds?

What's the next crazy social experiment you want everyone to participate in??

they always have, when I flew long haul from the UK part of being on the Longhaul fleet was you had to agree to maintaining VISAís and VACCINES as directed. I would have lost my job if Inhad refused to be jabbed or if I got a conviction that prevented me gaining a USA Visa. It is not new Neville, Airlines have always been able to do it and always will.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 04:57
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
Since when has your employer been the arbiter of what medical procedures/medications you get to take? There are also people who are getting medical advice not to have the vaccination so where does it leave them? How can you hold a Class 1 medical and get fired on medical grounds?

What's the next crazy social experiment you want everyone to participate in??
Both the European Airline and the Middle East airline I have worked for TOLD you what vaccinations you were going to haveÖ you did not have a choice. Well, you did, if you didnít want them, you could leave.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 04:59
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
they always have, when I flew long haul from the UK part of being on the Longhaul fleet was you had to agree to maintaining VISAís and VACCINES as directed. I would have lost my job if I had refused to be jabbed or if I got a conviction that prevented me gaining a USA Visa. It is not new Neville, Airlines have always been able to do it and always will.
Not quite the same Ollie, Maintaining Visa's and Vaccines as required by those countries the Airline operates into and was in your agreement before you signed up. There is no precedent for a domestic pilot being required to be vaccinated within Australia. Personally I am anti company mandate myself, If we are going to do it then do it properly at government level. It's not up to business to mandate or police it, certainly I won't be doing that, not for my staff nor for those my staff may come into contact with. Vaccination is encouraged if not expected.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 05:41
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I can tell you the business community is back peddling on this issue already. Policing it a hundred different ways within different companies and states isn't going to work. Unless the government mandates it, it's not going to happen in anyway more than a request. No-one is expending resources on something that is not required.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 06:59
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If we identify a threat, such as catching and spreading Covid that falls in the High to Extreme corner of the risk/severity matrix the procedure is to eliminate or isolate the hazard.
Workplaces have had flu for years, people die from flu, the vaccines offered have never been compulsory.
Do international crews get mandated to receive Hepatitis vaccines? Tetanus? Malaria tablets?
All of these are killers.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 07:21
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Workplaces have had flu for years, people die from flu, the vaccines offered have never been compulsory.
Do international crews get mandated to receive Hepatitis vaccines? Tetanus? Malaria tablets?
All of these are killers.
Unless the aircraft is full of old hypodermic needles, rusty nails and mosquitos then they are not going to pass those diseases on to other people.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 07:50
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Read it again…International crews, they overnight in countries with all those diseases and more, go out for dinner, drinking and sex. So should they have always had mandatory vaccines? Why is C19 different with a 98% survival rate?
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 08:42
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Read it againÖInternational crews, they overnight in countries with all those diseases and more, go out for dinner, drinking and sex. So should they have always had mandatory vaccines? Why is C19 different with a 98% survival rate?
Sex? Must have missed that night.
The survival rate is because of vaccines and more importantly the Doctors and Nurses working their guts out trying to keep idiots that wonít get a vaccination alive. The selfishness of these people is simply galling. I know Drs that work in ICU COVID wards and the stories they tell are quite frankly gut wrenching and extremely sad. Can I get the vaccine? Will it make me better? Please help? Not one patient has ever said no thanks when certain highly specialised drugs are suggested. Not one.
Isnít it amazing how oneís mind is suddenly very focused as death closes in on you. Imagine saying to a person literally struggling to breath on a ventilator that this is your last chance. Would you like a zoom with your family to say goodbye?

Back to the thread title. I along with 99% of Qantas staff applaud the mandatory vaccination policy. We havenít done the hard yards for the last 18 months to have all this traction undone by the looney few.

If you donít want to get vaccinated thatís your choice. But donít come to work. Donít dare set foot in a flight deck and donít you dare set foot in a hospital when you get COVID. The science is overwhelming. Vaccines work. No one gives a fu*k about your stupid Facebook derived theories.
Me, Iím going flying with my mates around the World. What will you be doing?
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 09:24
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Sex? Must have missed that night.
The survival rate is because of vaccines and more importantly the Doctors and Nurses working their guts out trying to keep idiots that wonít get a vaccination alive. The selfishness of these people is simply galling. I know Drs that work in ICU COVID wards and the stories they tell are quite frankly gut wrenching and extremely sad. Can I get the vaccine? Will it make me better? Please help? Not one patient has ever said no thanks when certain highly specialised drugs are suggested. Not one.
Isnít it amazing how oneís mind is suddenly very focused as death closes in on you. Imagine saying to a person literally struggling to breath on a ventilator that this is your last chance. Would you like a zoom with your family to say goodbye?
Damn right. All the Youtube videos in the world wont save you then.
Back to the thread title. I along with 99% of Qantas staff applaud the mandatory vaccination policy. We havenít done the hard yards for the last 18 months to have all this traction undone by the looney few.

If you donít want to get vaccinated thatís your choice. But donít come to work. Donít dare set foot in a flight deck and donít you dare set foot in a hospital when you get COVID. The science is overwhelming. Vaccines work. No one gives a fu*k about your stupid Facebook derived theories.
Me, Iím going flying with my mates around the World. What will you be doing?
They'll be applying for a job stacking shelves at Bunnin...wait, nope, Bunnings has staff vaccination requirements in some areas. Maybe they can move to the country and can fruit for SP...ah no that won't work either, SPC doesn't want to take that risk! Go for that old favourite, driving trucks on the mines for BHP and oh, damn, BHP doesn't want them either! If all else fails they can become a right-wing blowhard campaigning against vaccines on Fox News... wait, even Fox News has a vaccine mandate for their staff and greater than 90% vaccination rates! Fox and News Corp know what they need to do to stay safe, even while they loudly argue against it to whip up their audience for ratings and advertising dollars.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 09:28
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Does anyone actually know if there are any antivaxers working at Qantas. Wouldn't have thought there would be many.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 09:45
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Does anyone actually know if there are any antivaxers working at Qantas. Wouldn't have thought there would be many.
There'll be a lot less in a few months! In any large group you'll probably find a few - technical competence or even excellence in one area, say aviation, doesn't always translate to even rudimentary understanding of other complex fields, despite what some of these people seem to think. I've heard various people with many years as pilots explaining how it's all a conspiracy about control or somesuch, or that the vaccines will change your DNA based on the Youtube videos theyve watched, or some obnoxious Holocaust references.

Would I be happy with them flying one engine out in a gusty crosswind? Absolutely. Did their CPL or ATPL come with a medical degree attached? Not even close - they are at the level of they don't even know what they don't know. The doctors and medical researchers will look at them in the same way as you or I look at those unfortunate Afghans clinging to the side of the C-17s departing Kabul with a smile on their face - they're smiling, happy and confident explaining this narrative about vaccines and the New World Order based on their Facebook videos, as the Afghans were sitting on the undercarriage structure of a cargo aircraft rolling down the runway, because they lack even the basic understanding of how wrong they are and what could actually happen. The most insidious or effective part of the whole problem has been that a big part of the conspiracy theory is that all the mainstream medical researchers and media are in on it, so any reputable sources that could inform them otherwise are automatically viewed as corrupt and the conspiracy narrative is reinforced.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 09:50
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
Unless the aircraft is full of old hypodermic needles, rusty nails and mosquitos then they are not going to pass those diseases on to other people.
I see you've worked in GA then!
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 09:57
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Sure but that doesn't make them antivaxers or unwilling to be vaccinated when the evidence says it's unwise not to be. I'll take a guess and say there would be no more than 10 total, not necessarily pilots and excluding those with medical conditions. That's an awful lot of fuss for 10 people.
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Just a quick glance at social media will show you there are plenty of CC who are well and truly down the rabbit hole/“I know my rights!”..
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