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Old 13th Oct 2021, 22:55
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Mine too. Although sitting in hotel Q it's not hard.
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 23:30
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I get the feeling the poster did not even realise the 10 posts prior to the comment were about the tax system and not the topic, pretty scary stuff indeed....
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 23:31
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Australia will NOT manufacture Astra Zeneca. After 8 months of telling everyone how fabulous it is and now during the middle of the Delta outbreak it has been decided to end manufacturing.

If COVID 19 is such a massive issue than why stop making a vaccine? Why rely on Pfizer and Moderna only?

the plandemic and the global experiment continues…..

Remember it’s only a mask…
its only for two weeks …
It only to flatten the curve …


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Old 13th Oct 2021, 23:35
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Quite simply because unlike any other nation the Australian government gave people a choice of vaccine. If you attend a vaccination center you will see maybe 10 line up for AZ and the other 1000 lining up for Pfizer or now Moderna. Most Australian produced AZ has ended up overseas in Fiji etc... Definitely no conspiracy there, the court of public opinion delivered that outcome.

I like how Anti-vaxxers say vaxxers spread fear and then have statements like this:

the plandemic and the global experiment continues…..

Remember it’s only a mask…
its only for two weeks …
It only to flatten the curve …
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 23:43
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Quite simply because unlike any other nation the Australian government gave people a choice of vaccine. If you attend a vaccination center you will see maybe 10 line up for AZ and the other 1000 lining up for Pfizer or now Moderna. Most Australian produced AZ has ended up overseas in Fiji etc... Definitely no conspiracy there, the court of public opinion delivered that outcome.
Do you believe it is logical that Australia gives up its own manufacturing and now only relies on foreign vaccination supply. Are you this naive? Especially now when shipping is constantly delayed and unreliable?

Also why have not Australia managed to build a COVID hospital in each capital city? Australia is a very rich country and after 18 months of daily press conferences where “the health experts” cause fear and alarm each day no one thought of increase ICU beds by building new facilities?

why can we spend billions on nuclear submarines when we can’t even build a few extra hospitals in Sydney and Melbourne?

after how many booster shots will people start using their brains and realise that things do not add up and this plandemic has more to do with economics than health?
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 23:49
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Never said I believe it's the right decision or wrong. But your reasoning for it seems to blame the government when it was pure public opinion. Why make something when we are giving it away overseas and not using it ourselves.

Also why have not Australia managed to build a COVID hospital in each capital city? Australia is a very rich country and after 18 months of daily press conferences where “the health experts” cause fear and alarm each day no one thought of increase ICU beds by building new facilities?
Just like an employer will pay bonuses but not increase wages until they have to. A new hospital for one cause that may be over in 3-5 years is a cost burden than no one wants. Additional issues are that a lead time on doctors is a minimum of 6 years, you can't import doctors at the moment due to the stress on the systems overseas. Also you need specialist doctors and ER staff, not just conscript GPs into a hospital wing (GPs earn way more in private practice than they would in a hospital setting). Lead time on a fully staffed and operational city hospital would be a 10 year plan thing.

So quite simply a government can provide additional beds, and they have, but they can't magically make more staff to handle them. Nurses and Doctors in Melbourne are already on double shifts to cover the issues. This ain't Simcity where you buy a hospital and it comes staffed and stocked.
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Old 13th Oct 2021, 23:57
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I am sorry but I cannot see your logic.

the facts are :

that according to “health experts “ COVID is dangerous
COVID will mutate
covid will be here for many years
The population will only grow in capital cities especially when immigration returns

than why not build new hospitals and why not train more nurses?
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 00:06
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than why not build new hospitals and why not train more nurses?
Expansion and building of new facilities is ongoing, training is ongoing. In a City like Melbourne this is a 'tap' that is constantly adjusted for flow. However whatever flow setting is put in place now will not come to fruition for 5 to 10 years.

Not sure what logic you are looking for other than what is in place now is the result of decisions that happened 5-10 years ago, and the decisions of today won't be in place for another 5-10 years. By then the Covid mess is over and the standard rate of health care progression will resume.

If the Government could 'print' doctors and nurses like money I'm sure they would do it, they could wrangle down health care costs significantly. Local hospital near me has a few hundred beds vacant that cant be staffed. So building a new hospital or wings won't solve anything in the short term and long term is already planned for future growth.

When the news says 'beds available' they mean beds that are staffed and empty.

Another issue of concern is that fewer and fewer want to work in the Ambulence and Hospital services because of the abuse they cop from the likes of druggies and anti-vax types. So you have a dwindling pool of workers for a massively growing sector of community.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 01:41
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Originally Posted by Street garbage
Well, he is no longer a QF pilot, so he represents himself...like most of those from the skygod area, he has retired.
By appearing in this protest, he is breaking the law by impersonating an aircrew member, apparently there is the possibility of police follow up.
..but don't let the chance go by to use the same brush for the rest of us still employed.
Which law are you referring to? I certainly haven't seen any law specifically in relation to the impersonation of aircrew members. There most definitely are laws relating to impersonating various Commonwealth/government officials, however sorry to break it to you, Qantas aircrew don't fall into that bracket in the exact same way the cashier at your local shop doesn't. Mr Hood is not attempting to use the privileges of a licence that he does not hold, he is not committing fraud by pretending to be someone he is not, nor is even even pretending to be currently employed, rather he has been very vocal with regards to the end of his employment. All he's doing is wearing *his* former wings, lanyard etc. None of which are secured emblems like a police badge might be.



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Old 14th Oct 2021, 02:27
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
Additional issues are that a lead time on doctors is a minimum of 6 years, you can't import doctors at the moment due to the stress on the systems overseas.
There is something seriously wrong if Australia can't train enough of it's own doctors. We truly are the cleanest third world country in the world. Are we just not smart enough to become doctors? Why do 'doctors' want to come to Australia? Meanwhile, the government gives handouts to businesses that don't need it and writes blank checks for submarines.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 03:50
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There is something seriously wrong if Australia can't train enough of it's own doctors. We truly are the cleanest third world country in the world. Are we just not smart enough to become doctors? Why do 'doctors' want to come to Australia? Meanwhile, the government gives handouts to businesses that don't need it and writes blank checks for submarines.
Just about every country has similar issues, the ones with high medical standards that is. The USA and UK are both short staff for doctors, surgeons, nurses etc. The NHS has had a rash of resignations because of Covid and its demands on staff. It's a demanding job and most get out or avoid hospitals at all costs, its a thankless job on lowish pay and long hours, compared to being a GP or specialist.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 05:46
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
There is something seriously wrong if Australia can't train enough of it's own doctors. We truly are the cleanest third world country in the world. Are we just not smart enough to become doctors? Why do 'doctors' want to come to Australia? Meanwhile, the government gives handouts to businesses that don't need it and writes blank checks for submarines.
We have never been able to train enough doctors, its why we steal a lot from 3rd world countries. Dunno about doctors but know some British nurses working in AUS. They are saying they all know nurses from the UK who are biting at the bit to see if the a AUS-UK FTA gives full recognition of a UK nursing Qual. If some they will be on a plane to aus for better lifestyle and pay
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 08:04
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We have never been able to train enough doctors, its why we steal a lot from 3rd world countries. Dunno about doctors but know some British nurses working in AUS. They are saying they all know nurses from the UK who are biting at the bit to see if the a AUS-UK FTA gives full recognition of a UK nursing Qual. If some they will be on a plane to aus for better lifestyle and pay
Warning thread drift but whatever. We live in a country that has given up on manufacturing and training only to import manufactured goods because we're too busy enjoying the lifestyle, and people to work for inferior wages, frequently brandishing dodgy qualifications. We certainly are the lucky country. But real dumb.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 09:37
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
There is something seriously wrong if Australia can't train enough of it's own doctors. We truly are the cleanest third world country in the world. Are we just not smart enough to become doctors? Why do 'doctors' want to come to Australia? Meanwhile, the government gives handouts to businesses that don't need it and writes blank checks for submarines.
Same can be said for LAME's. Very soon there will be a serious shortage, and there is a long lead time to train up LAME's too.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
There is something seriously wrong if Australia can't train enough of it's own doctors. We truly are the cleanest third world country in the world. Are we just not smart enough to become doctors? Why do 'doctors' want to come to Australia? Meanwhile, the government gives handouts to businesses that don't need it and writes blank checks for submarines.
Have you ever considered that maybe there’s just not enough people who WANT to become doctors or nurses?

Its a bloody long road to become a doctor, and even longer to become a nurse that earns any decent sort of money.

Sure you can do your degree as a doctor in 6 years or whatever it is, but then you spend years again specialising in your chosen field (anaesthetics, GP, surgeon, just to mention a few).

So to expect a qualified doctor who’s trained in the necessary field to appear out of no where and magically begin curing Covid patients (who soon will mainly be the unvaccinated anyway….. ohhh, now I see why they’re scared), is very unrealistic.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 10:37
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Its a bloody long road to become a doctor, and even longer to become a nurse that earns any decent sort of money.
And after all that training I doubt many are too thrilled with sticking around in a Public hospital any longer than they have to.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 12:44
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Have you ever considered that maybe there’s just not enough people who WANT to become doctors or nurses?

Its a bloody long road to become a doctor, and even longer to become a nurse that earns any decent sort of money.

Sure you can do your degree as a doctor in 6 years or whatever it is, but then you spend years again specialising in your chosen field (anaesthetics, GP, surgeon, just to mention a few).

So to expect a qualified doctor who’s trained in the necessary field to appear out of no where and magically begin curing Covid patients (who soon will mainly be the unvaccinated anyway….. ohhh, now I see why they’re scared), is very unrealistic.
Sure. Probably nothing to do with it being a closed shop. Or making interns work 80 hour weeks. Nothing to do with buying bigger boats either. Anyway, thread drift........

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Old 14th Oct 2021, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
Sure. Probably nothing to do with it being a closed shop. Or making residents work 80 hour weeks. Nothing to do with buying bigger boats either. Anyway, thread drift........
Closed shop? Wtf are you on about?
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 13:48
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Originally Posted by indigopete
Interesting vaccine performance data for spread mitigation from the latest Public Health England (now "UK Health Security Agency") report. Looks like the reversers deployed in mid-flight.

If this was a plane would you get in it ?
The modern way of deciding whether to get on an aircraft is to ignore advice from aircraft designers, pilots etc as they are all paid by the aviation industry so can't be trusted. Even if they are in fact trustworthy, they won't know as much as you because they haven't seen the You Tube video that shows thrust reversers aren't required if Ivermectin is added to Jet A-1. Big Jet Engine manufacturers are surpressing this data.
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Old 14th Oct 2021, 14:33
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Except that that data doesn't come from a "Youtube video". It comes from England's most authoritative health protection agency.
. Excellent. I take it you will be following their advice to get vaccinated then?
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