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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 03:28
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Originally Posted by Bend alot

The girls are just one example of NSW and the ACT being used to gain illegal access to QLD - NSW was happy to facilitate these actions for the sake of a few $'s for THEIR economy, sort of had the opposite effect. Had NSW been a responsible player they would have put restrictions on border travel with VIC early but even after it was clear VIC was a basket case they did nothing - the result is they are excluded as much as VIC even though they seem to have good case tracking capabilities.
Just the opposite, Gladys is proving by not doing knee jerk reactions having a very capable team with contact tracing and high testing you can achieve the original goal set by Dr Murphy NSW has done that well our cases over past 2 months proves it. The Cross roads hotel perfect example of NSW exemplary work being able to manage this pandemic. It would be good if the other states could manage this pandemic as well as NSW then we all could be back at work.

How is NSW/ACT responsible for these girls traveling to QLD their home state? NSW and VIC residents could easily say QLD need to control their criminals, these girls after all were on a shop lifting holiday to their southern states.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 05:15
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So why is NSW stopping ACT residents from driving from a Covid-19 free area in regional Victoria? There was a small window where you could travel from Albury to Canberra. It would have taken us longer to drive to Albury(5.5-6 hours), with another 3.5 hours to Canberra (about 9-10 hours all-up), than to drive direct from where we are in Victoria (~5.5hours)

Our only alternative now is a train to Melbourne, bus / taxi to Tullamarine, fly to Canberra, taxi home. Too many potential points of exposure for people of our vintage.

If borders were open, they could 'time-stamp' us when we cross the Vic/NSW border, and again when we're home. We could drive non-stop (well maybe a toilet break). If they want to track us, we can supply GPS data from multiple sources (in-car, phone, watch).

As it is we're 'stuck' until NSW lifts it border restrictions.
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Just the opposite, Gladys is proving by not doing knee jerk reactions having a very capable team with contact tracing and high testing you can achieve the original goal set by Dr Murphy NSW has done that well our cases over past 2 months proves it. The Cross roads hotel perfect example of NSW exemplary work being able to manage this pandemic. It would be good if the other states could manage this pandemic as well as NSW then we all could be back at work.

How is NSW/ACT responsible for these girls traveling to QLD their home state? NSW and VIC residents could easily say QLD need to control their criminals, these girls after all were on a shop lifting holiday to their southern states.
They are/were responsible due to the fact they allowed "unrestricted" travel to people from Victoria knowing fully well that Victorians were not permitted travel to other states. They put NO control measures in place to respect the other states restrictions that may not have such effective tracing methods or medical resources.

This left the ACT and NSW to be abused by lying people such as the girls that would normally have been put in quarantine on entry.

The ACT and NSW were not required to do anything to assist QLD with this problem, that is exactly what they did. Since Queensland's "honesty declaration" was not working they had to make it harder for people from Victoria to enter - that resulted in the weak link being shut.

Had NSW assisted in some way in providing new arrivals into it's state from Victoria, the NSW/QLD border may well still be open.

The only real good thing, is people then needed to fly into QLD not drive.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 05:39
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
Just the opposite, Gladys is proving by not doing knee jerk reactions having a very capable team with contact tracing and high testing you can achieve the original goal set by Dr Murphy NSW has done that well our cases over past 2 months proves it. The Cross roads hotel perfect example of NSW exemplary work being able to manage this pandemic. It would be good if the other states could manage this pandemic as well as NSW then we all could be back at work.

How is NSW/ACT responsible for these girls traveling to QLD their home state? NSW and VIC residents could easily say QLD need to control their criminals, these girls after all were on a shop lifting holiday to their southern states.
You talking like this was done to penalise NSW residents, no one has ever said NSW is responsible, but she took the actions that she believes to protect the state and most of the people I have talked to are generally OK with it. I work in tourism and I jobless atm and will be for a while and open QLD or not theres no way enough people will come back to QLD to make it even a drop in the bucket of lost business. Apart from tourism most localised businesses are trading generally like theres no real change. Its funny that NSW is getting indignent that the border was closed, when gladys announced the NSW/ VIC closure after qld announced the QLD / NSW closure. Maybe gladys could have prevented it by announcing a NSW / VIC closure earlier.
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https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...e-whole-thing/

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Originally Posted by rattman
Maybe gladys could have prevented it by announcing a NSW / VIC closure earlier.
Or maybe if Australia’s most arrogant politician - Dan Andrews decided to do hotel quarantine the same way as the other states he wouldn’t be giving everyone else a giant headache. Intriguingly he still has many loyal followers who trust him and refuse to believe he and his Government are to blame. That I cannot understand.
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Norway is cracking down heavily on travel to and from a host of European neighbors where Covid is making a startling comeback.

The latest countries to be added to its “red” list
are France, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Monaco, and several parts of Sweden. Which basically means tourists from these places are no longer welcome, with travel restrictions reimposed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarat.../#2a380ad93186
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Originally Posted by Bend alot
They are/were responsible due to the fact they allowed "unrestricted" travel to people from Victoria knowing fully well that Victorians were not permitted travel to other states. They put NO control measures in place to respect the other states restrictions that may not have such effective tracing methods or medical resources.

This left the ACT and NSW to be abused by lying people such as the girls that would normally have been put in quarantine on entry.

The ACT and NSW were not required to do anything to assist QLD with this problem, that is exactly what they did. Since Queensland's "honesty declaration" was not working they had to make it harder for people from Victoria to enter - that resulted in the weak link being shut.

Had NSW assisted in some way in providing new arrivals into it's state from Victoria, the NSW/QLD border may well still be open.

The only real good thing, is people then needed to fly into QLD not drive.
HaHaHa good one, weak link really? NSW is by far doing the best, we have achieved the goal set at the start. Also in case you missed the news conference from Anastasia she was very keen to close the border the moment she opened them every morning she would use the word "slam"she wanted to make a statement she has now. We just have to wait until October to see if all of QLD agree. Victorian visitors to NSW mandatory quarantine was in effect from August 5th after the two went on their criminal adventure so your honesty declaration is really about QLD residents LYING on said declaration but yet, we all pay. My point is NSW is dealing with it learning to live with it the other states are not their solution is to shut shop no questions and no real answers to why. I agree with VIC border closure for obvious reasons but once they get to consistent numbers like NSW then I would be happy to go to Melbourne.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 09:49
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HaHaHa good one, weak link really? NSW is by far doing the best, we have achieved the goal set at the start. Also in case you missed the news conference from Anastasia she was very keen to close the border the moment she opened them every morning she would use the word "slam"she wanted to make a statement she has now. We just have to wait until October to see if all of QLD agree. Victorian visitors to NSW mandatory quarantine was in effect from August 5th after the two went on their criminal adventure so your honesty declaration is really about QLD residents LYING on said declaration but yet, we all pay. My point is NSW is dealing with it learning to live with it the other states are not their solution is to shut shop no questions and no real answers to why. I agree with VIC border closure for obvious reasons but once they get to consistent numbers like NSW then I would be happy to go to Melbourne.
Many countries have great protections when it comes to drugs, some less so.

What has happened with international travel is knowing where people have crossed borders and the correct controls of borders being meet = tracing.

NSW is the weak link for other states as they are/were the host of a parasite state - anyone in Victoria given the option would try escape phase 4.

You can stop repeating NSW has done well with trace and control - we agree! You just let transients use that as an advantage and that cost you.

Then people with suspicious movements get "extra attention" when they have transited a "red flag" country via a safe country. It worked very well.

Had NSW had quarantine with Victoria earlier the girls from QLD would have not been able to do that trip as they did - it would have cost them a few handbags and a few weeks in NSW before hitting Logan.

If we get rid of state governments the folk from VIC and NSW hold to many cards as we see, toss a coin as to the boat we would be in - but the toss would take months to land and we would then be in the VIC state of bad affairs either way. Local governments are mostly a joke and most corrupt (land development).
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Originally Posted by Bend alot
11 days ago.

Norway is cracking down heavily on travel to and from a host of European neighbors where Covid is making a startling comeback.

The latest countries to be added to its “red” list
are France, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Monaco, and several parts of Sweden. Which basically means tourists from these places are no longer welcome, with travel restrictions reimposed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tamarat.../#2a380ad93186
cant see how your post is relevant to the article. I’m in Sweden and when I arrived there was zero care given on where I had been. And there is no Armageddon.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 10:54
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Had NSW had quarantine with Victoria earlier the girls from QLD would have not been able to do that trip as they did - it would have cost them a few handbags and a few weeks in NSW before hitting Logan.
Bendalot,
No wish to belabour the point, nor extend the debate (my last word on the issue btw), but .....whilst some MEL BNE flights do connect through SYD, direct flights are available and indeed if those young female adults (I won't use your words girls as that insinuates that they were of an age without legal reasoning, which they were definitely not) were to travel from MEL to BNE tomorrow they would be able to purchase a ticket on VA 341, departure MEL 1700hrs DCT MEL arrive 1910 for the bargain price of $215.

That being the case, perhaps you might blame NSW for allowing overflight flights between VIC and QLD? Or we can simply shut the Aviation industry completely down and save cross contamination, but, .those few of us (collectively) with jobs joining the rest on the eventual dole line once Jobkeeper finishes (which it will).

IMHO, State of Origin mentality belongs on the football field, not for something so serious as this, but when you have a Premier (one I also share BTW) that appears to see this as such, I understand that the believers tend to follow suit.

And as a died in the wool Queenslander, I applaud the Premier of NSW for her measured approach and response to what is thrown at her, and consider it a more realistic one than that taken by the isolationist leaders of this country.

Cheers

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Bendalot,
No wish to belabour the point, nor extend the debate (my last word on the issue btw), but .....whilst some MEL BNE flights do connect through SYD, direct flights are available and indeed if those young female adults (I won't use your words girls as that insinuates that they were of an age without legal reasoning, which they were definitely not) were to travel from MEL to BNE tomorrow they wold be able to purchase a ticket on VA 341, departure MEL 1700hrs DCT MEL arrive 1910 for the bargain price of $215.
Cheers

Exactly and then would have required mandatory hotel quarantine, only avoided because NSW did not require anything - BUT now have shut the border = hindsight a little late.

The girls did have a right to enter home state at all times - they avoided a key factor of quarantine by using NSW (P.S not my word "girls" mate blame another poster).

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And the very same girls could have just as easily flown from Vic to Qld and transited to a flight to NSW.
The first use of the word "girls" I found.

Happy to be corrected as you try to belittle me.

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Up until 2 weeks ago there were 2 extremes. The NZ / QLD / TAS / WA model of elimination on one hand and the US style on the other.

We now have seen how elimination doesn't work. NZ and QLD are perfect examples of this. And the US model doesn't either. Where's the middle ground?

The longer our state borders stay shut, the less likely Virgin Mk 2 will emerge. And the less likely QF will survive as the airline we know it.

Our economy can't survive this intra country divide. Open the state borders, allow travel. Mandate masks in public places where you interact others outside your bubble. I understand that it will be political suicide for a premier of a COVID free state to do so, but what's worse? The economy can't survive, the handouts can't continue for ever. Forget Tassie and WA for now - just get QLD NSW VIC and maybe SA going again and people back to work. With their economies recovering Tassie will likely come to the party and maybe WA will maybe they won't. Does that matter?

It needs public acceptance for this - the jobs of most of the readership of this BB rely on it.
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The answer CS is that the politicians in Australia and NZ have whipped up the fear for their own political gain. They cannot extract themselves from this. They only care about their own jobs.

The only thing harder than getting a public servant to make a decision is getting them to reverse that decision.

case in point the mask debarcle. Saying that masks could actually make things worse is probably the most negligent thing to come out of anyone’s mouth.
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Re masks - to be fair, very early on that was medical opinion. I have medical folk in my family and I remember reading out something from the CDC back in March-ish saying that masks were the way forward and it was met with serious scepticism.

And Dan and Gladys are being held to ransom by every other state leader to achieve elimination.
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Well it looks Mr Gunner struggling to hold onto a majority, his keep the border closed campaign slogan didn't have the effect he wanted should of been a slam dunk re election. Voters looking for certainty in time of crisis.
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Talking to many from different countries Aus comes up. Common point, isn’t Australia one country? Watching the news it is more like lots of little countries. Not to mention previous changes of the PM, at least ScoMo hasn’t been attacked during this and is haven a crack.

Travel bubbles in the Asia Pac are starting, Singapore - En Zud will be interesting.

I’m with CS on this get the economy moving.

Masks, whatever the research one thing that’s masks DO do is make people conscious of the issues all the time. It does make you think. Personally I hate em but that’s life.

Straya is pretty much locked down, residents cannot even come back with daily quotas. However keep an eye on the news for flying in foreign workers to do jobs Aussies to fooken lazy to do? To me this is the biggest madness in these current times.
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I can only recommend you might want to fact check the statements made, the currency of the information and the source on that one.

"Spiked" is a rag phoenixed from "Living Marxism", journal of the British Revolutionary Communist Party, for example.

To say back in May that the pandemic was essentially "over" has been shown to be somewhat premature...
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Vic has gone from state of emergency, then state of disaster, it's now starting to feel like a state of desperation.
It's half time in stage 4 and according to Sutton we will never ever see case numbers in their 300/400s again.
Big call brother. Final siren blows in 3 weeks I'm eager to know what the score will end up. I've listened to a lot of talk back on radio and the patience, frustration, is starting to run thin just like mine, just like yours.
We know the final siren will blow in 3 weeks, however will go to the tribunal either to extend Stage 4 or go to a lower number. Jacinta and Anastasia have now understood that elimination is impossible.
If QLD cases increase (In the words of a footy commentator ) the election is going to be a cracker.
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