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Old 28th Aug 2020, 00:07
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Hopefully these idiotic premiers out their personal career aspirations aside for one minute and put the people/ country first! WA FIFO workers are being affected with ships pilots running short and Mcgowen demanding they live in WA so the resource set core could be short of workers if it keeps going and QLD denied a pregnant women entry for emergency surgery which resulted in one of the two twins dying as they had to fly to Sydney.
I was going to say if this was the case from a week ago, I didn't think she had lost the baby, but you are correct, it has just appeared this morning. Here's one article.

As for the FIFO's, I am one of them. I couldn't temporarily move to WA early in the piece due to kids specialists and the KRviatrix being a NSW Health manager, but we have now got the telecommuting and teleheath setups in place so we can move, but we are simply forbidden from entry to WA because we live in NSW. So are colleagues from Victoria. My employer is hurting badly as a result of interstate FIFO crew not being allowed back in to WA. The "temporary" move was supposed to be for 3 months. Then it was extended by 2 months. Now you are expected to be there indefinitely because no one knows when WA will reopen their borders - which as was found in the Palmer (No4) case above, will only happen when the "eastern states" have had no community transmission for 28 days. NSW's best 3 runs have been 22, 13 and 10 days. They've got no hope of 28 days!
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 00:26
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I had a cabbie in Perth this week complaining about how bad business was as he was taking me to the airport.

I told him the best way to fix things for him was for WA to open its border. More flying = more people =. more taxis.

He clearly didn't like the idea, but had no reply and changed the topic.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 01:51
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And from this morning’s SMH :

It can also be revealed desperate Australians who are trying to get back to the country are being coached by government officials to start GoFundMe-style crowdfunding campaigns if they are running out of money, as international travel has ground to a near halt during the coronavirus pandemic.”

F#*! Me.
This is their idea of MANAGING the situation rather than reacting to the hand-rail holding brigade.
We really are a 3rd world country now.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 02:28
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Yes I agree. The way most of Australia is handling this is pure madness. I guess we continue to live like this for the foreseeable future. Only option now is get a good job before 1000s join you.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 03:40
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And from this morning’s SMH :

It can also be revealed desperate Australians who are trying to get back to the country are being coached by government officials to start GoFundMe-style crowdfunding campaigns if they are running out of money, as international travel has ground to a near halt during the coronavirus pandemic.”

F#*! Me.
This is their idea of MANAGING the situation rather than reacting to the hand-rail holding brigade.
We really are a 3rd world country now.
I won't have you impugning Australia's reputation like that. We are the cleanest 3rd world country.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 03:47
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I was going to say if this was the case from a week ago, I didn't think she had lost the baby, but you are correct, it has just appeared this morning. Here's one article.
That is disgraceful. Common sense, well it's just something we used to talk about and use. And this quote, if true and in relation to this poor woman's plight, beggars belief -
“People living in NSW they have NSW hospitals. In Queensland we have Queensland hospitals for our people,” the Premier had said.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 04:43
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That is disgraceful. Common sense, well it's just something we used to talk about and use. And this quote, if true and in relation to this poor woman's plight, beggars belief -
The story has been blown out of proportion. There was nothing stopping the transfer of this patient to Qld for emergency care. For whatever reason medical staff declined to do this and waited 16hrs for medevac to Sydney:

Brisbane Times understands the woman would not have needed an exemption to travel to Queensland because her case was considered emergency care
Dr Young said emergency care was still being offered to people from northern NSW in the same way it had been throughout the pandemic and before.“Anyone can come across the border in an emergency. The police do not stop ambulances, they do not stop LifeFlight helicopters,” she said.

“Queensland provides emergency services to the northern part of NSW and none of that has changed.”
https://www.smh.com.au/national/quee...28-p55q7e.html
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 05:39
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Originally Posted by LapSap View Post
And from this morning’s SMH :

It can also be revealed desperate Australians who are trying to get back to the country are being coached by government officials to start GoFundMe-style crowdfunding campaigns if they are running out of money, as international travel has ground to a near halt during the coronavirus pandemic.”

F#*! Me.
This is their idea of MANAGING the situation rather than reacting to the hand-rail holding brigade.
We really are a 3rd world country now.
All deaths in victoria today from aged care,hope the govt officials coaching the travellers desperate to return are not the same ones responsible for the running of the aged care system,its fine for the media to keep high lighting the victorian hotel quarantine fiasco but the aged care shortcomings need to be on the medias agenda every day & the blame put exactly where it needs to be for this disgusting situation.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 05:43
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According to media reports a bunch of Victoria's finest covidiots are planning a mass demonstration to protest against stage 4 lock-downs on September 5th. Apparently they have over 8,000 signed up for Melbourne and 35,000 combined across other major cities.
With nightly protests in the Nong and still getting over a hundred cases a day as we near the end of week 4, I can't see us getting out of stage 4 on the 13th!
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 05:49
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Get the tanks on the street. Whatever it takes to stop these clown doing anything that will drag this thing on and on and on.

I think the majority of Melburnians would not care less if a law was introduced to taser every single one of them.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 05:51
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The madness will end as soon as the federal government turns off the free money. Once that happens all the states will have to open up and life will go on. The current circumstances have come about because none of the states are wearing any economic liability for their actions they are all being propped up by tax payer dollars from Canberra.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 06:23
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...ction=business

Very much depends which side of the fence (or border) you sit. There have been certain sectors which have been very successful (particularly resources) in maintaining BAU through minimising Covid risk (as a result of border closure)
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 06:24
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Get the tanks on the street. Whatever it takes to stop these clown doing anything that will drag this thing on and on and on.

I think the majority of Melburnians would not care less if a law was introduced to taser every single one of them.
Tiananmen square replay all part of the belt and trousers agreement or is that now dissolved.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 06:56
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The story has been blown out of proportion.
Oh, right. Thats ok then....
So what proportion would you think appropriate from the deceased twin's perspective?

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Old 28th Aug 2020, 08:20
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Tiananmen square replay all part of the belt and trousers agreement or is that now dissolved.
Considering there is thousands of mystery cases still under investigation, it’s going to be wafer thin timing getting off Stage 4 in the next fortnight. Let alone a protest extending that for another few weeks.

Melbourne needs to ride out September in similar form to clear the backlog of those under investigation.

Regional Vic should be pulled back to Level 2 and a more hardline approach between metro and regional.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 09:13
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If stage 4 went any further than 2 weeks I think Vics will then pull the pin. Cases expected to go under 100 by next week then 50 in the last week.
Listening to commentators today they expect stage 3 for metro and stage 2 for regional. That's tolerable.
Correct me if I'm wrong, that would mean no more 8pm curfew, no more 5km restriction, a few more people at weddings/funerals, no go to work permit.

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Old 28th Aug 2020, 09:18
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"National and state security officers, police or health or emergency services workers responding to an emergency in Queensland (eg a paramedic driving an ambulance across the border to transport a patient with life threatening injuries) and maritime crew entering Queensland in accordance with the protocol for maritime crew are not required to complete the Queensland Border Declaration Pass."

https://www.qld.gov.au/border-pass/general

Show me a state premier that is not following the advice of that states chief health/ medical officer.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 09:51
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
"National and state security officers, police or health or emergency services workers responding to an emergency in Queensland (eg a paramedic driving an ambulance across the border to transport a patient with life threatening injuries) and maritime crew entering Queensland in accordance with the protocol for maritime crew are not required to complete the Queensland Border Declaration Pass."

https://www.qld.gov.au/border-pass/general

Show me a state premier that is not following the advice of that states chief health/ medical officer.
There are currently many knowledge gaps in this unfortunate story; I'm absolutely not downplaying the significance of this at all. How, and at what stage, was the quarantine exemption requested (prior to the emergency? Did NSW Health try and take the patient to Qld - why not? Did the patient go through the correct avenues (at the right time) to get taken to Brisbane? Simply asking some legitimate questions.

Hopefully this sad issue has shaken a bit of sense into the Qld premier - particularly after their disgraceful (and untrue) 'Qld hospitals are for our people only' comment. I hope that comment didn't influence the events that unfolded here.
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 10:28
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I really hope that this starts to result in a change in public opinion on the state border closures. Gold Coast Hospital has always been the main referral centre for northern NSW as far south as Grafton I believe. In the same way that people as far south and east as Batemans Bay and Bega in NSW end up in Canberra Hospital if they require complex care.
Without knowing the details, it is possible that a miscommunication or misconception that 'QLD is closed' led to the decision that QLD is not an option. Or maybe it was OK for the patient to go, but not her spouse (how do you console your wife who just lost a child from your 14 days of hotel quarantine?). Therefore rather than follow the normal procedure of an urgent transfer to Brisbane (the nearest tertiary centre), they may have had to 'call around' so to speak. I'd speculate there were sadly many holes in Swiss cheese and burecratic bungles which ultimately led to this devastating outcome.
There have been plenty of news stories about QLD in recent times including people missing cancer treatments, not being able to accompany disabled children for medical appointments at the childrens hospital etc.
I'm not political but the comments last week "QLD hospitals are for queenslanders" was just pathetic... I didn't realise the state governments were funding Medicare!!!!
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Old 28th Aug 2020, 11:21
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Originally Posted by currawong View Post
Show me a state premier that is not following the advice of that states chief health/ medical officer.
Here you go...


Originally Posted by WAToday
Chief Health Officer Andrew Robertson conceded there was little public health justification for keeping the border closed to South Australia, the Northern Territory, Queensland, the ACT and Tasmania, which had eliminated community spread.Source
Originally Posted by Palmer vs Western Australia
Dr Robertson, in his report of 24 June 2020 expresses the opinion that ifthe border restrictions were removed, the liklihood of imporation of COVID-19 would be low. Pg 51. [216]
Dr Robertson states that, although the risk of disease re-introduction is very difficult to quantify, he would estimate it at less than 10%. However, the risk is not equal for all jurisdictions, with the major risk posed by Victoria. He considers the risk from jurisdictions other than Victoria is less than 1% Pg. 52 [217]
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