All borders to reopen.

[highflyer40]

Originally Posted by dr dre

That isn’t necessarily limited to COVID patients only, it is well known that those who have been infected with influenza suffer long term effects as well:

Long term outcomes in survivors of epidemic Influenza A virus infection

5 Ways the Flu Can Affect Your Health Even After You Feel Better

Even from that article it states that 80000 died all last year from flu. There have already been 175000 in 6 months this year.

Yes the same long term conditions can happen with influenza as well... the kicker is there is a vaccine for influenza there is not and will not be one for Covid for quite some time if ever.

Current cases of Covid are at 22M if the 10-15% is remotely accurate that is 2.2-3.3M of all ages not just the elderly that are going to have problems in life moving on to one degree or another. All this after 6 months.

It is worth keeping up the precautions we have been (not saying it’s all correct, there have been and will be more screw ups) for the moment until we know more.

[slats11]

Multiple independent data is converging on the conclusion that (in Europe and USA) this thing is almost over.

There has not been a 2nd wave ANYWHERE IT HAS ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY PASSED THROUGH. Yes there have been some more cases in Europe over recent weeks, but colleagues on the ground say it is different now - "there are cases, but they are not sick and not needing hospital like before." This suggests these cases represent enhanced capacity of testing and finding the milder cases who flew under the radar earlier on.

[QUOTE][https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/...cythree/QUOTE]

Australia and NZ didn't dodge a bullet. We delayed it. For a bit.

Consider this

[Turnleft080]

Originally Posted by dr dre

That isn’t necessarily limited to COVID patients only, it is well known that those who have been infected with influenza suffer long term effects as well:

Long term outcomes in survivors of epidemic Influenza A virus infection

5 Ways the Flu Can Affect Your Health Even After You Feel Better

Read both articles and was trying to get to the part of good nutrition. I read it again still could find it.
Don't you hate it when someone rips out the last chapter of a book.

[morno]

Originally Posted by Turnleft080

Read both articles and was trying to get to the part of good nutrition. I read it again still could find it.
Don't you hate it when someone rips out the last chapter of a book.

What, where you pump yourself full of garlic and think you’re invincible?

Turnleft, I don’t dispute the fact that good nutrition is a part of good health in general, but you’re so full of **** if you think it’s the be all and end all to never getting sick from things like the flu and even Covid. Where’s your independently reviewed research papers on the topic for Covid 19?

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Well, for what 'tis worth, the WA Premier yesterday cancelled the Perth Royal Agricultural Show (The Show - literally hundreds of people and family businesses employed normally ), citing the crowd factor, the 'separation' factor and the cleaning of the 'various surfaces' etc .to be uncontrollable.

So I guess he means 'business'.....or lack thereof - and please pardon the pun.

[Ragnor]

Out of curiosity, what are these state and territory premiers doing to support their local business? WA show cancel, various NT, QLD and TAS do these premiers expect Fed Gov support for their own causes problems?

[Turnleft080]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

Out of curiosity, what are these state and territory premiers doing to support their local business? WA show cancel, various NT, QLD and TAS do these premiers expect Fed Gov support for their own causes problems?

Ragnor your almost leaning to what I said in March and a day ago:
You shouldn't be scared of the virus, what is scary is how governments react to it. A total revelation back then. Not any more.
Dan Andrews now saying the ADF are nothing but a side show.

[currawong]

No surprises here really...

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...c/myth-busters

Or here...

https://www.australia.gov.au/covid-19-mythbusting

[LapSap]

I admit my naivety of the Constitution.
Is there the ability for the Federal Gov to ultimately overrule State Premiers on border closures?
Granted, perhaps now is not yet the time but at some point if a renegade State refuses to allow the country to operate as one, can anything be done about it??

[Buster Hyman]

Originally Posted by LapSap

I admit my naivety of the Constitution.
Is there the ability for the Federal Gov to ultimately overrule State Premiers on border closures?
Granted, perhaps now is not yet the time but at some point if a renegade State refuses to allow the country to operate as one, can anything be done about it??

I may be wrong (I was wrong once before...). but I think that's a Referendum question.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by LapSap

I admit my naivety of the Constitution.
Is there the ability for the Federal Gov to ultimately overrule State Premiers on border closures?
Granted, perhaps now is not yet the time but at some point if a renegade State refuses to allow the country to operate as one, can anything be done about it??

No state can close its borders to other australian states except in a state of emergency. No premier would maintain a state of emergency if its parliament says there isn't one. (the majority of its citizens) to do so would trigger a leadership challenge or an election.
Can the Federal Government overrule a State Government with respect to a state of emergency, NO
Can the high court direct a state to end its state of emergency, YES, but its never happened.

[blubak]

Originally Posted by Ex FSO GRIFFO

Well, for what 'tis worth, the WA Premier yesterday cancelled the Perth Royal Agricultural Show (The Show - literally hundreds of people and family businesses employed normally ), citing the crowd factor, the 'separation' factor and the cleaning of the 'various surfaces' etc .to be uncontrollable.

So I guess he means 'business'.....or lack thereof - and please pardon the pun.

Oh,so its ok for Optus stadium to have crowds at the footy games that are held there but the crowds going to the show are causing risks.
I guess every seat & every surface are deep cleaned after every footy game & the footy fans will never attend a game if they feel unwell to any degree,how perfect,great decision premier.

[KRviator]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

No state can close its borders to other australian states except in a state of emergency. No premier would maintain a state of emergency if its parliament says there isn't one. (the majority of its citizens) to do so would trigger a leadership challenge or an election.
Can the Federal Government overrule a State Government with respect to a state of emergency, NO
Can the high court direct a state to end its state of emergency, YES, but its never happened.

However, the high court can, and has before, ruled under Section 117 of the constitution that a state body cannot impose laws or acts that unfairly penalise citizens who are not resident in the legislating state unless it is necessary to do so (stat e elections etc.). IF a Challenger can show the risk of NSW/Vicc residents entering WA for example, is no greater or worse than a Qld resident, then the WA government has a serious problem.

Palmer's challenge isn't s.117 though, he's having a go at them through s.92 relating to his business interests and freedom of trade.

[Turnleft080]

Originally Posted by blubak

Oh,so its ok for Optus stadium to have crowds at the footy games that are held there but the crowds going to the show are causing risks.
I guess every seat & every surface are deep cleaned after every footy game & the footy fans will never attend a game if they feel unwell to any degree,how perfect,great decision premier.

To add more great decision making Vic testing has dropped one third. The curve that is bending south rapidly does not represent the true number of cases.
So let me make it clear once again my fellow (East Germans oops sorry did I just say that out loud), if this continues stalag 4, I meant stage 4 may have to continue well past Sept possibly to Christmas.
Your new rations will now include driving to a park to do your exercise. Remember do not break 5km or 1 hour the Covid troops will be flying their drones.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by KRviator

However, the high court can, and has before, ruled under Section 117 of the constitution that a state body cannot impose laws or acts that unfairly penalise citizens who are not resident in the legislating state unless it is necessary to do so (stat e elections etc.). IF a Challenger can show the risk of NSW/Vicc residents entering WA for example, is no greater or worse than a Qld resident, then the WA government has a serious problem.

Palmer's challenge isn't s.117 though, he's having a go at them through s.92 relating to his business interests and freedom of trade.

Quite correct, do you think a challenger would win that argument and even if the challenger did, by the time a ruling was handed down the crisis would be long over.

[KRviator]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

Quite correct, do you think a challenger would win that argument and even if the challenger did, by the time a ruling was handed down the crisis would be long over.

Absolutely - and that's what they're counting on. The cost to bring such an action would be astronomical, particularly if the High Court awarded costs against the challenger if they were to lose.

[Stickshift3000]

Originally Posted by Turnleft080

To add more great decision making Vic testing has dropped one third. The curve that is bending south rapidly does not represent the true number of cases.

Alternatively, there may be reduced reasons for people to come forward for testing.

Most likely because there are less people out there showing potential symptoms...

[TimmyTee]

Originally Posted by Turnleft080

To add more great decision making Vic testing has dropped one third. The curve that is bending south rapidly does not represent the true number of cases.

Couldn’t that easily be explained by the fact that common colds and viruses aren’t being spread so much? Even the flu rate has plummeted. So without all these additional sickies, wouldn’t there naturally be less people going to get tested due to symptoms? (Whether thats symptoms from covid or otherwise)?

[Turnleft080]

Originally Posted by Stickshift3000

Alternatively, there may be reduced reasons for people to come forward for testing.

Most likely because there are less people out there showing potential symptoms...

Might need to go back to stage 3, to test more, to increase the cases so that we go back to stage 4.
This we be on tv soon called "Yes Minister series 3."

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by Turnleft080

To add more great decision making Vic testing has dropped one third. The curve that is bending south rapidly does not represent the true number of cases.
So let me make it clear once again my fellow (East Germans oops sorry did I just say that out loud), if this continues stalag 4, I meant stage 4 may have to continue well past Sept possibly to Christmas.
Your new rations will now include driving to a park to do your exercise. Remember do not break 5km or 1 hour the Covid troops will be flying their drones.

If people are going out less, wearing masks and social distancing, then it stands to reason that people are also catching less colds and other illnesses that would have symptoms which would require testing.

That is a partial if not full reason for the drop in testing.