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Old 13th Jan 2021, 06:23
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Since the hospital system is actually being underutilised without a vaccine why is this even a remote concern? It would appear that 99% of people in Australia who get the Chinese Strain of Covid 19 seem to be fine and don't end up in hospital. My local hospital has actually been cutting down on casual staff hours due to a lack of things to do and that's with no vaccine.
I thought these guys were the so called "Hero's" in our society of hypochondriacs, if you were to believe the press sensationalism.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 07:36
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[QUOTE=Sunfish;10966804]Some of you don't seem to understand logistics and especially supply chains, let alone complex systems.
Covid 19 is not directly lethal, we hope, to the majority of humans. It is indirectly lethal to everyone because it has the capacity to destroy the healthcare system.



Just to throw some numbers with your statement Sunfish worldwide their have been 93,000,000 cases, 66,000,000 recoveries, 2,000,000 deaths.
Looking at those figures it's not lethal, it's not a death sentence, however it's lethal if you have heart disease, diabetes 2, cancer, COPD, emphysema. Why? Your immune system is
exhausted and depleted to defend a covid strain. A covid strain loves any of these conditions it's free to duplicate and multiply. Also don't forget if you have these
conditions you still have a 98% chance of recovery. State/federal governments will scare the crap out of you that it's a death sentence. Remember the Dan show he
really liked to emphasis the death ages and that's it.

The healthier you are the less chance of flooding the health system.
I really think the WHO, CDC come clean and give us more information about this virus.
We only know so much, though I reckon their is more info out their they can educate us on.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
..............Later this year lets look at the suicide statistics for 2020 in Australia.
Yes. Definitely worth follow up.
I guess that you're tipping an increase and you may be correct.
But the AIHW warns about interpreting trends in suicide rates in Australia because of the very low overall rate and the impact that small yearly variation can have on the rate.

What I am interested in is why, in the USA, without discernible COVID controls, the suicide rate (with firearms) has remained stable for several years through to and including 2020 but the homicide rate has increased dramatically - something like a 20 - 25% increase in just one year.


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Old 13th Jan 2021, 09:25
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turnleft, where are your statistics for hospitalisation, ICU occupancy and deaths and illness among health care workers?

You obviously don't understand the problem.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 11:07
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We can survive COVID but we can't survive all having COVID at the same time.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 11:34
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
turnleft, where are your statistics for hospitalisation, ICU occupancy and deaths and illness among health care workers?

You obviously don't understand the problem.
Worst case scenario USA, --------- against Australia
Population 330,000,000 -----------------25,000,000

Total cases 23,400,000 ------------------ 28,647
Deaths 389,900 -------------------------------- 909
Total recoveries 13,800,000 ------------- 25,860
Active cases with covid 9,200,000 ------- 1,878
IN ICU 29,222 ------------------------------------ 1
Deaths per 1,000,000 = 1173 ----------------- 35

Haven't got health care workers though you reckon they would be healthy in the first place if their dealing with sick people
as their profession. As you can see the Aus numbers are influenced with harsh lockdowns, curfews, international air restrictions.
The USA hardly did any of that plus their diet is crap they all live on top of each other hence the large numbers.
I understand the problem, people should not be scared of the virus you should be scared of your own immune system.

Planet earth is located at the right temperature from the sun to sustain life. Provided is O2 and H2O and they alone
will produce fungi, moulds, viruses, germs. The bloke upstairs then decided to invent humans, and he provided them
with a immune system to fight them off. I believe that's been going on for the last 10,000 years.
Guess what, it will continue for the next 10,000 and 10,000 after that. What are we scared of?
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 11:38
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Does the average age of death Ďwith COVIDí, still exceed the average life expectancy in the western world?

I know this was definitely the case earlier in the pandemic, and Iíd expect it was still the case as treatment strategies improve.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 12:17
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Does the average age of death Ďwith COVIDí, still exceed the average life expectancy in the western world?
Sorry, do we have an attitude that those above average life expectancy arenít worth saving?

Even if you donít care about those above average life expectancy look at the pandemicís toll on some who are below average life expectancy:

Average age of Covid ICU patient in UK: 60

25% of Covid dead in US below 65, another 25% between 65-74

3000 US Healthcare worker Covid deaths, majority under 60

20% of US under 35ís admitted to hospital needed intensive care, 20% reported long term complications

Over 75% of German patients with average age of 49 reported cardiac issues post Covid
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 12:42
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As expected more hyperbole, sample size 100
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 13:34
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As expected more hyperbole, sample size 100
Small sample but a random selection, still indicates high degree of post Covid complications for a group of people average age well under 65 in a first world country.

Hardly hyperbole. For a profession where good cardiac health is essential to be fit to fly I wouldnít want to be taking too many chances.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 13:38
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Mate you wrote a new headline for your linked article to try and make it sound more dire. More like 78 individuals, even the writer says all it proves is that further investigation is warranted.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 13:57
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Mate you wrote a new headline for your linked article to try and make it sound more dire. More like 78 individuals, even the writer says all it proves is that further investigation is warranted.
Exact text from the study:

this study of a cohort of German patients recently recovered from COVID-19 infection, CMR revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and time from the original diagnosis.
So over 75% of the patients in that study (unselected Btw, thatís the key) with a mean age of 49 had cardiac issues.

I agree further investigations need to be done, but you can hardly dismiss any risk of cardiac issues in the non elderly after Covid infection after reading that study.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 19:56
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Effective immediately McGoose will fine you $50,000 if your in Perth Airport minus a face mask.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 21:00
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McGowan is a #### ####### ####
He may have had great success with the voters but watching him talk recently he is nothing but a power hungry psychopath. Must have been picked on during his Navy career I reckon.

Wait until COVID gets out in WA- he will make Dan look like a Saint.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 21:03
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Effective immediately McGoose will fine you $50,000 if your in Perth Airport minus a face mask.
That's one way to improve the compliance rate.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 21:07
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Sorry, do we have an attitude that those above average life expectancy arenít worth saving?
Never said that. I just posed the question. Itís called average life expectancy for a reason. We canít live forever.
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 21:32
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Aren't airports a federal jurisdiction?
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 22:01
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Itís pretty easy to not cop that massive fine. Just wear a mask in airports and on aircraft. As airline staff weíre mandated to wear one anyway as part of our employment. If we refused to weíd cop a bigger fine than $50k, itís called being sacked.

Iíd say fines towards the extreme end would be for those who are being disruptive, like refusing to wear one after being directed to by police.

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Eliminate it from community spread until the population is properly immunised.

In other news itís good to see some progress is being made on the hotel quarantine front, with measures that epidemiologists have been wanting for months now are being considered, although it wouldíve been better had the federal government taken the responsibility for quarantine as constitutionally mandated to them in the first place.

If these ideas are implemented across the nation then basically thereíll be very little risk of a major city hotel outbreak so life can return to best as normal until the population is immunised to herd immunity. Probably better for the quarantiners too as they can have some fresh air instead of being cooped up in sealed hotel room:

The Queensland Government will consider using mining camps to quarantine international travellers as the state grapples with a cluster of the highly-contagious UK strain of coronavirus.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said she would raise the matter with the Federal Government when national cabinet meets next Friday.

"We are going to look at all options and one of those options is to look at some of the mining camps that we have in Queensland," she said.

"Now, for a start, some of these mining camps are four-star.Ē

"My understanding is most of them, the ones we're looking at, have balconies so there's a lot of fresh air for guests and also, too, there's the capacity for all of the staff and the cleaners and everyone to also be based on those sites as well.

"I think this is a rational option and if we are dealing with a strain which is up to 70 per cent more infectious, I think we need to be really serious about it."

Queensland considers mining camps for quarantining travellers - ABC News
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
Effective immediately McGoose will fine you $50,000 if your in Perth Airport minus a face mask.
I believe that the penalty mentioned arises from this :
“Breaching directions made under the Emergency Management Act may result in on-the-spot fines of $1,000 for individuals, or where a matter is deemed serious and dealt with under formal criminal charges penalties of up to $50,000 or imprisonment for 12 months may be imposed by the courts.”
The last significant penalty imposed under the WA state regs was a young man who was fined following numerous, flagrant breaches of his self-quarantine directions and subsequently pleaded guilty to 5 counts of Fail to Comply with an Emergency Management Act Direction
He was fined a total of $13,000. (Very lenient in my opinion).

A WA Police spokesperson said that “Breaching directions made under the Emergency Management Act may result in on-the-spot fines of $1,000 for individuals, or where a matter is deemed serious and dealt with under formal criminal charges penalties of up to $50,000 or imprisonment for 12 months may be imposed by the courts.”

In other words, the state law and penalties have not changed. The only change is the adoption of the requirement to wear the mask at all times in airports which is a federal directive arising from a National Cabinet decision.
It applies to NSW as well, though the penalty may vary from state to state.

As far as I can tell, in NSW the penalties which would apply would be for breaches of the Public Health Act 2010.
In the case of an individual, the maximum penalty is $11,000, or imprisonment for 6 months, or both and a further $5500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.
The NSW Police may also issue on-the-spot fines of $1000 for an offence.
In the case of any corporation, the maximum penalty is $55,000 and a further $27,500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.

Funny though that the papers aren't also saying "Beryl will fine you $11,000 AND stick you in gaol for six months if you don't wear a mask at the airport".
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