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AAhh, no, they won't be. Which is precisely why Perth didn't get it - they would have required everyone to quarantine for 7 days before the game and the AFL said, "yeah, naah". Source. Second source.
Amazing how a mother can't go with her 2-day-old newborn baby to hospital in Queensland, because "she lives in NSW" - though nowhere near any active cases - yet the Qld Government has rolled out the red carpet, sans quarantine, to 400 AFL officials from the greatest COVID outbreak in the country at present...
Is this what we have become as Australians? Is this who we want to be?
Amazing how a mother can't go with her 2-day-old newborn baby to hospital in Queensland, because "she lives in NSW" - though nowhere near any active cases - yet the Qld Government has rolled out the red carpet, sans quarantine, to 400 AFL officials from the greatest COVID outbreak in the country at present...
Is this what we have become as Australians? Is this who we want to be?
You do know they arrived over a month ago?
And were quarantined at that time?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...28-p55gcs.html
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[QUOTE=KRviator;10876573]AAhh, no, they won't be. Which is precisely why Perth didn't get it - they would have required everyone to quarantine for 7 days before the game and the AFL said, "yeah, naah". Source. Second source.
Amazing how a mother can't go with her 2-day-old newborn baby to hospital in Queensland, because "she lives in NSW" - though nowhere near any active cases - yet the Qld Government has rolled out the red carpet, sans quarantine, to 400 AFL officials from the greatest COVID outbreak in the country at present...
Is this what we have become as Australians? Is this who we want to be?[/QUOTE
Well said,she likes all the glory but when something she doesnt like comes up all you get is excuses.
I guess though when you are trying to get every dollar to save your state from bankruptcy you have to go to desperate measures .
Amazing how a mother can't go with her 2-day-old newborn baby to hospital in Queensland, because "she lives in NSW" - though nowhere near any active cases - yet the Qld Government has rolled out the red carpet, sans quarantine, to 400 AFL officials from the greatest COVID outbreak in the country at present...
Is this what we have become as Australians? Is this who we want to be?[/QUOTE
Well said,she likes all the glory but when something she doesnt like comes up all you get is excuses.
I guess though when you are trying to get every dollar to save your state from bankruptcy you have to go to desperate measures .
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I have, I also seen the news conference today announcing the move. If only everyone else was afforded the same quarantine rules of being out in the fresh air in the golf course. Nope they’re all locked tightly away like criminals
The AFL CEO flew to QLD yesterday so he hasn’t been there a mo th
The AFL CEO flew to QLD yesterday so he hasn’t been there a mo th
WA Premier Mark McGowan had also played down expectations by indicating they would not sacrifice their hard border to chase the event. However WA still hopes they will be able to host a game in week one of the finals if they finish in the top two of the ladder.
However Port Adelaide chairman David Koch is expecting to host all of their home finals in Adelaide, including a home preliminary final if they win that right.Source
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They have also been living in their own hubs for the whole season without mingling with the crowds or the general public, so in essence yes they are being quarantined with some other rules relaxed for the players.
I for one am genuinely grateful that's the case as some form of normalcy during these days is amazing.
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Oh and I am a firm believer our domestic borders should be open for at least WA, SA, NT, TAS, QLD. Once the situations ease in NSW and VIC I hope all domestic borders open up
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Amazing how a mother can't go with her 2-day-old newborn baby to hospital in Queensland, because "she lives in NSW" - though nowhere near any active cases
Did this not get debunked? Didn't the Truth come out that the family was indeed allowed into QLD? Correct me if I am wrong but didn't QLD health come out and say they were never approached regarding this and that emergencies do not require any sort of exemption?
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Did this not get debunked? Didn't the Truth come out that the family was indeed allowed into QLD? Correct me if I am wrong but didn't QLD health come out and say they were never approached regarding this and that emergencies do not require any sort of exemption?
Whoever made the call that sent them south was uninformed.
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I presume it was an emergency...
"Patients requiring emergency care and entering Queensland via ambulance, aeromedical retrieval or formal interstate hospital transfer will not be subject to the border requirements on the next page"
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data...strictions.pdf
"Patients requiring emergency care and entering Queensland via ambulance, aeromedical retrieval or formal interstate hospital transfer will not be subject to the border requirements on the next page"
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data...strictions.pdf
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Not according to Dr Ingall
Mum told to head south: doctor
EXCLUSIVE
NATASHA ROBINSON
NSW doctors treating a pregnant woman whose twin babies needed urgent surgery claim senior clinicians at Queensland’s Mater Hospital told them that “given the political situation” of border closures the mother should be transported 750km south to Sydney rather than be operated on in Brisbane. A political row over border closures has gained intensity after it emerged that one of the twin girls carried by Ballina mother Kimberley Brown died after intrauterine surgery performed by doctors at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney. On August 13, an obstetrician at Lismore Base Hospital in northern NSW spoke with the director of maternal fetal medicine at the Mater Hospital and discussed Ms Brown’s urgent need for surgery. Lismore paediatrician Chris Ingall, who sits on the executive of the medical staff council at Lismore Base Hospital and has spoken directly with Ms Brown’s treating obstetricians, said the case was agreed by all clinicians to be urgent. “The Mater Hospital agreed it was an urgent case but they said given the political situation the woman needed to be sent to Sydney ,” Dr Ingall said. Mater denies the claim. “We didn’t deny access and always were happy to provide care if RPA weren’t able to do so,” a spokesperson said. Patients requiring emergency medical care are allowed to be treated in Queensland hospitals despite the border closure, but Dr Ingall said that in practice, doctors were facing bureaucratic barriers to getting patients urgent care. “We at this point here are totally bamboozled by the answers we’re getting from both the governments and also the hospitals,” Dr Ingall said. “Because we need to get a double tick. We need to get a tick on both the bureaucratic and political masters and also the health administrators that cases are an emergency. So we’ve got no way of telling what is going to happen.” The Northern NSW Local Health District said surgery in Brisbane would not have been a feasible option because Ms Brown would have been required to quarantine in Queensland for 14 days before having surgery. Queensland Health says, however, that emergency cases receive urgent care. It’s unclear whether Ms Brown’s case qualified as an emergency despite doctors on both sides of the border agreeing the situation was urgent. “While the preferred location for the family to give birth was at a hospital in Brisbane, under the Queensland Border Direction at the time, the woman and her partner would have had to quarantine in a government hotel for 14 days, at their own expense, prior the procedure,” said Northern NSW Local Health District chief executive Wayne Jones.” Ms Brown’s babies, which at the time were 24 weeks’ gestation, were affected by twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome, in which twins share one placenta and the blood flow of one baby is channelled through the other. Ms Brown required highly specialised intra-uterine surgery that could only be performed in Sydney or Brisbane. “The twin that’s giving blood to the other twin doesn’t grow as well. So that’s what was happening here and it was being closely monitored,” Dr Ingall said. “But it got to a point where the smaller twin was in jeopardy. And the surgery requires actually in utero surgery to stop the twin-totwin transfusion from occurring.” Ms Brown and her husband Scott remain in Sydney as doctors monitor the progress of the surviving twin. Ms Brown’s father, Allan Watt, told The Weekend Australian he had “done nothing but cry for the last 24 hours” . “The other bub is struggling along and they want to keep her in the womb until she’s 28 weeks,” he said. “If they had both been at 28 weeks there would have been a fair chance of saving the other bub, but she was just too young to be born.” Mr Watt, who is in Ballina while his wife and daughter are in Sydney, said their family had been “divided” by border closures and travel restrictions. Despite the Queensland health department saying exemptions were not necessary in emergency cases, it is understood the family was told that a medical exemption was needed for Ms Brown to cross the border. “They took the option to go to Sydney because it would take too long to get an exemption,” Mr Watt said. Mr Watt said his daughter waited at Lismore Base Hospital for 16 hours before she was flown by air ambulance to RPA to undergo emergency surgery. Mr Brown took a Jetstar flight to Sydney and arrived there 10 hours before an air retrieval flight carrying his wife landed at 1am. Dr Ingall said it was not possible to determine whether Ms Brown’s baby would have survived if she had received surgery sooner in Brisbane. “It is possible that if she’d been quickly transferred to Brisbane , she may have had a better outcome. That’s a possibility.” Copyright © 2020 News Pty Limited
Mum told to head south: doctor
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NATASHA ROBINSON
NSW doctors treating a pregnant woman whose twin babies needed urgent surgery claim senior clinicians at Queensland’s Mater Hospital told them that “given the political situation” of border closures the mother should be transported 750km south to Sydney rather than be operated on in Brisbane. A political row over border closures has gained intensity after it emerged that one of the twin girls carried by Ballina mother Kimberley Brown died after intrauterine surgery performed by doctors at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney. On August 13, an obstetrician at Lismore Base Hospital in northern NSW spoke with the director of maternal fetal medicine at the Mater Hospital and discussed Ms Brown’s urgent need for surgery. Lismore paediatrician Chris Ingall, who sits on the executive of the medical staff council at Lismore Base Hospital and has spoken directly with Ms Brown’s treating obstetricians, said the case was agreed by all clinicians to be urgent. “The Mater Hospital agreed it was an urgent case but they said given the political situation the woman needed to be sent to Sydney ,” Dr Ingall said. Mater denies the claim. “We didn’t deny access and always were happy to provide care if RPA weren’t able to do so,” a spokesperson said. Patients requiring emergency medical care are allowed to be treated in Queensland hospitals despite the border closure, but Dr Ingall said that in practice, doctors were facing bureaucratic barriers to getting patients urgent care. “We at this point here are totally bamboozled by the answers we’re getting from both the governments and also the hospitals,” Dr Ingall said. “Because we need to get a double tick. We need to get a tick on both the bureaucratic and political masters and also the health administrators that cases are an emergency. So we’ve got no way of telling what is going to happen.” The Northern NSW Local Health District said surgery in Brisbane would not have been a feasible option because Ms Brown would have been required to quarantine in Queensland for 14 days before having surgery. Queensland Health says, however, that emergency cases receive urgent care. It’s unclear whether Ms Brown’s case qualified as an emergency despite doctors on both sides of the border agreeing the situation was urgent. “While the preferred location for the family to give birth was at a hospital in Brisbane, under the Queensland Border Direction at the time, the woman and her partner would have had to quarantine in a government hotel for 14 days, at their own expense, prior the procedure,” said Northern NSW Local Health District chief executive Wayne Jones.” Ms Brown’s babies, which at the time were 24 weeks’ gestation, were affected by twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome, in which twins share one placenta and the blood flow of one baby is channelled through the other. Ms Brown required highly specialised intra-uterine surgery that could only be performed in Sydney or Brisbane. “The twin that’s giving blood to the other twin doesn’t grow as well. So that’s what was happening here and it was being closely monitored,” Dr Ingall said. “But it got to a point where the smaller twin was in jeopardy. And the surgery requires actually in utero surgery to stop the twin-totwin transfusion from occurring.” Ms Brown and her husband Scott remain in Sydney as doctors monitor the progress of the surviving twin. Ms Brown’s father, Allan Watt, told The Weekend Australian he had “done nothing but cry for the last 24 hours” . “The other bub is struggling along and they want to keep her in the womb until she’s 28 weeks,” he said. “If they had both been at 28 weeks there would have been a fair chance of saving the other bub, but she was just too young to be born.” Mr Watt, who is in Ballina while his wife and daughter are in Sydney, said their family had been “divided” by border closures and travel restrictions. Despite the Queensland health department saying exemptions were not necessary in emergency cases, it is understood the family was told that a medical exemption was needed for Ms Brown to cross the border. “They took the option to go to Sydney because it would take too long to get an exemption,” Mr Watt said. Mr Watt said his daughter waited at Lismore Base Hospital for 16 hours before she was flown by air ambulance to RPA to undergo emergency surgery. Mr Brown took a Jetstar flight to Sydney and arrived there 10 hours before an air retrieval flight carrying his wife landed at 1am. Dr Ingall said it was not possible to determine whether Ms Brown’s baby would have survived if she had received surgery sooner in Brisbane. “It is possible that if she’d been quickly transferred to Brisbane , she may have had a better outcome. That’s a possibility.” Copyright © 2020 News Pty Limited
Did this not get debunked? Didn't the Truth come out that the family was indeed allowed into QLD? Correct me if I am wrong but didn't QLD health come out and say they were never approached regarding this and that emergencies do not require any sort of exemption?
The one I referred to (The Lismore mum whose newborn was medi-vac'd to Brisbane) was granted an exemption into Queensland but not into the hospital. The hospital refused entry to be with her newborn son, unless they had undertaken 2 weeks quarantine. The ABC Report on it
Does it really matter whether they were misinformed or not? The situation should not have put the medical staff in that position (to be able to be misinformed) in the first place...When it comes only a matter of days after the Queensland Premier proudly stood in front of the media pack and proclaimed "Queensland Hospitals are for Queenslanders!" you can well understand how they became misinformed, if indeed that is what happened.
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" The Northern NSW Local Health District said surgery in Brisbane would not have been a feasible option because Ms Brown would have been required to quarantine in Queensland for 14 days before having surgery."
Incorrect.
"Inpatient (receiving care in a hospital ward) If you are admitted into a hospital, you will need to complete your quarantine at the hospital."
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data...strictions.pdf
Incorrect.
"Inpatient (receiving care in a hospital ward) If you are admitted into a hospital, you will need to complete your quarantine at the hospital."
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data...strictions.pdf
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Two different instances - which is bad enough when you think about that!
The one I referred to (The Lismore mum whose newborn was medi-vac'd to Brisbane) was granted an exemption into Queensland but not into the hospital. The hospital refused entry to be with her newborn son, unless they had undertaken 2 weeks quarantine. The ABC Report on it
Does it really matter whether they were misinformed or not? The situation should not have put the medical staff in that position (to be able to be misinformed) in the first place...When it comes only a matter of days after the Queensland Premier proudly stood in front of the media pack and proclaimed "Queensland Hospitals are for Queenslanders!" you can well understand how they became misinformed, if indeed that is what happened.
The one I referred to (The Lismore mum whose newborn was medi-vac'd to Brisbane) was granted an exemption into Queensland but not into the hospital. The hospital refused entry to be with her newborn son, unless they had undertaken 2 weeks quarantine. The ABC Report on it
Does it really matter whether they were misinformed or not? The situation should not have put the medical staff in that position (to be able to be misinformed) in the first place...When it comes only a matter of days after the Queensland Premier proudly stood in front of the media pack and proclaimed "Queensland Hospitals are for Queenslanders!" you can well understand how they became misinformed, if indeed that is what happened.
Looks pretty straightforward to me.
Or are the medics getting their info from the tabloids?
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The version of the story I read, was that they contacted Brisbane, and were told that they could be accommodated, “but only if the RPA in Sydney could not accommodate them”.
I’m sorry I don’t have the link to that story at hand, but it was probably one of the links posted here earlier.
We are all pilots here... so that strikes me as a rule-book definition of knowing when to call a “Mayday”.
If you are in charge of an aircraft in distress, and fail to call “Mayday”, you may be denied or delayed to your nearest/safest port of call. If you subsequently crash as a result, that then becomes your fault.
It’s pretty clear that if the NSW doctors had put her in an ambulance bound for the nearest suitable hospital (i.e. Brisbane), they would not have been delayed. The doctors would have known that.
It appears they were happy to wear the 16 hour delay to Sydney, rather than declare an emergency. That was their decision, not the Premier of Queenslands’.
Nobody here knows whether the decision would have made any difference to the outcome.
That might sound callous. It also might sound callous to infer that I am blaming the doctor in northern NSW for a poor decision. I am not.
At the end of the day, an unborn baby failed to make it at 24 weeks which was already at high risk due to an existing complication. Premature births at 24 weeks do not survive. I am not going to second-guess the decisions of the doctors, any more than I or any of you would expect a doctor to second guess what I might do in charge of an aircraft in flight with a serious problem.
Maybe, just maybe, the doctors knew the outcome would have been the same regardless of which hospital she ended up at. Maybe not. None of us know, and neither do the media, who are trying to beat up a story.
Edited note: Ragnor has reposted the article above referencing that Brisbane could have looked after her if RPA could not. The associated levels of emergency risk communicated between the.health experts Involved cannot be determined from the article.
I’m sorry I don’t have the link to that story at hand, but it was probably one of the links posted here earlier.
We are all pilots here... so that strikes me as a rule-book definition of knowing when to call a “Mayday”.
If you are in charge of an aircraft in distress, and fail to call “Mayday”, you may be denied or delayed to your nearest/safest port of call. If you subsequently crash as a result, that then becomes your fault.
It’s pretty clear that if the NSW doctors had put her in an ambulance bound for the nearest suitable hospital (i.e. Brisbane), they would not have been delayed. The doctors would have known that.
It appears they were happy to wear the 16 hour delay to Sydney, rather than declare an emergency. That was their decision, not the Premier of Queenslands’.
Nobody here knows whether the decision would have made any difference to the outcome.
That might sound callous. It also might sound callous to infer that I am blaming the doctor in northern NSW for a poor decision. I am not.
At the end of the day, an unborn baby failed to make it at 24 weeks which was already at high risk due to an existing complication. Premature births at 24 weeks do not survive. I am not going to second-guess the decisions of the doctors, any more than I or any of you would expect a doctor to second guess what I might do in charge of an aircraft in flight with a serious problem.
Maybe, just maybe, the doctors knew the outcome would have been the same regardless of which hospital she ended up at. Maybe not. None of us know, and neither do the media, who are trying to beat up a story.
Edited note: Ragnor has reposted the article above referencing that Brisbane could have looked after her if RPA could not. The associated levels of emergency risk communicated between the.health experts Involved cannot be determined from the article.
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This discussion of that emergency medical incident sounds like clueless members of the general public arguing on the internet about their theories of why a plane crashed based solely on a what they read in a couple of news articles.
I’m sure our medical professionals took the actions they believed were appropriate with the patient based on their knowledge at the time.
I’m sure our medical professionals took the actions they believed were appropriate with the patient based on their knowledge at the time.
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Anyway it is what it is no point arguing over quotes and what state is doing what, absolutely nothing can be done to move our country forward. All we can do is witness it sink into the oblivion. The honest truth I have discovered, if you're not affected you don't care and the vast majority of the population couldn't care about airlines or a tourist operator in another state.