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Old 2nd Aug 2023, 10:44
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It’s not strictly DEFO…

Everyone is given a seniority number on the day they join mainline. The recent trend, & the current offer, will mean that some just won’t even start an SO endorsement of any kind; they’ll do induction & then move straight into a 737 endorsement.

It works for some…
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Old 2nd Aug 2023, 11:59
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Originally Posted by Jetsbest
Everyone is given a seniority number on the day they join mainline. The recent trend, & the current offer, will mean that some just won’t even start an SO endorsement of any kind; they’ll do induction & then move straight into a 737 endorsement.

It works for some…
I’ve seen emails sent to applicants asking if they’re willing to accept 737 FO on day one. It’s not DEFO, but it absolutely, totally is.

If they were told they couldn’t have 737 FO on day one, they weren’t asking the right questions, especially given all the info that’s out there. 🤷‍♂️ You wouldn’t get it in all bases, but there were vacancies in a number of bases.

aussieflyboy if they were BNE dash captains expecting DEFO 737 in BNE, then they probably didn’t like the answer they got.

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Old 2nd Aug 2023, 21:23
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The way the EA’s are structured means you have to start as an S/O. If you believe you may get in sooner by saying “Yes, I’d love to fly the 737” then I’d recommend saying it. Then on day 1 when they ask you to alter your Letter of Preference to bid for the 737, you can say “no thanks, my circumstances have changed, I’d like to remain an S/O”.
There is nothing Qantas can do about it. You can’t be forced across hauls onto a different EA.

So just do what you’ve gotta do to get in the door then decided what YOU want to do.
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Old 2nd Aug 2023, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
The way the EA’s are structured means you have to start as an S/O. If you believe you may get in sooner by saying “Yes, I’d love to fly the 737” then I’d recommend saying it. Then on day 1 when they ask you to alter your Letter of Preference to bid for the 737, you can say “no thanks, my circumstances have changed, I’d like to remain an S/O”.
There is nothing Qantas can do about it. You can’t be forced across hauls onto a different EA.

So just do what you’ve gotta do to get in the door then decided what YOU want to do.
I’ll admit I don’t know the full story but I believe they were told a 737 position may be available straight away or it may be 3 years. The HR person couldn’t confirm a 737 basing location. They refused to allow him to do a secondment to what was his current Group position until they could guarantee a 737 spot so he turned it down.

Last I heard from him he was living in Miami working with Atlas so bigger and better for him at least. The other gent I know has stayed as a skipper with another group jet operator and says he’ll earn more doing that then taking the pay cut to mainline.

This sort of thing wouldn’t have happened in the past but this is what a happens when you voted a B/C scale in. Mainline simply isn’t the job it used to be.
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Old 3rd Aug 2023, 02:05
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
I’ll admit I don’t know the full story but I believe they were told a 737 position may be available straight away or it may be 3 years. The HR person couldn’t confirm a 737 basing location. They refused to allow him to do a secondment to what was his current Group position until they could guarantee a 737 spot so he turned it down.

Last I heard from him he was living in Miami working with Atlas so bigger and better for him at least. The other gent I know has stayed as a skipper with another group jet operator and says he’ll earn more doing that then taking the pay cut to mainline.

This sort of thing wouldn’t have happened in the past but this is what a happens when you voted a B/C scale in. Mainline simply isn’t the job it used to be.
Everyone knows for over a year now you can go direct to the B737. You just have to start on Day 1 as an SO (oh the trauma) then across you go. By the end of the day. If they're that worried about the 'B' scale ( they might have got A380?) then going direct to the B737 wasn't going to be the money train they were probably thinking either.

Eitherway , more off the hold making the position stronger!.
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Old 3rd Aug 2023, 09:45
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
Ifgreat.

Please, stop worrying about allowances. You’re paid allowances for a reason, and that’s to eat while you’re away. Unless you plan to be a hermit, expect to spend a significant portion of them. Considering them
as take home salary is pretty sad.

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Couldn’t agree more. Any pilot considering / counting allowance as part of pay is a bit of a loser. It’s money that’s there to be spent on a layover . if your going to fly to the otherside of the world sit in your room as some do and eat your wife’s packed lunch then what’s the point of putting your body through the jet lag and stress
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Old 3rd Aug 2023, 10:25
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People can include allowances in their consideration or not, I don’t care, however to suggest they are solely to be spent in port is a bit misleading. Under the new allowance system in QF LH you earn the allowance as soon as you sign on at your home base, until you return days later. So a 24 hour slip, SIN return will earn you close to $800 AUD tax free. You can have plenty of beers and ‘nuclear chicken’ and you won’t spend half of that.
I wouldn’t base my career plans around it but it’s a nice earner and can’t be ignored.
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Old 3rd Aug 2023, 10:57
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You gotta spend money to eat while you’re at home as well. Money in your pocket is money in your pocket.
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Old 3rd Aug 2023, 11:19
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You gotta spend money to eat while you’re at home as well. Money in your pocket is money in your pocket.
You eat out every meal do you?
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Old 3rd Aug 2023, 21:55
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
You eat out every meal do you?
I buy food at the supermarket to make meals at home. Food doesn’t manifest itself into my kitchen table. It’s still a cost I have to take into consideration.
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Old 4th Aug 2023, 03:58
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Can anyone shine some light on the current training timelines for both LH and SH. Once inducted etc which I guess will take a few weeks how long until checked to line? Are the big delays in each stream? I have heard that some LH are being sent international to do Sims etc is this likely for SH as well or is it most likely to be done at your base? Or domestically at least?

The LH EA discusses training salaries but the SH doesn't really go into this in too much detail. Could you also explain what sort of minimum pay might be expected for SH training? I will have to move for SH but potentially will commute for LH depending on base and trying to work out feasibility of each option.

Lots of questions I know. Thanks in advance
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Old 4th Aug 2023, 04:13
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Originally Posted by Contigo
Can anyone shine some light on the current training timelines for both LH and SH. Once inducted etc which I guess will take a few weeks how long until checked to line? Are the big delays in each stream? I have heard that some LH are being sent international to do Sims etc is this likely for SH as well or is it most likely to be done at your base? Or domestically at least?

The LH EA discusses training salaries but the SH doesn't really go into this in too much detail. Could you also explain what sort of minimum pay might be expected for SH training? I will have to move for SH but potentially will commute for LH depending on base and trying to work out feasibility of each option.

Lots of questions I know. Thanks in advance
If you come in as an S/O with an immediate upgrade to F/O, you’re paid as an S/O under training until such time as you check out as an F/O. There have been some exceptions to this (changed to normal S/O pay before training was finished) where the training has extended beyond reasonable timeframes from what I understand.

Some 737 F/O’s have been going to Dallas for their sim training. Also some A330 S/O’s have been going overseas too (Bangkok, Singapore).
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Old 4th Aug 2023, 05:23
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Originally Posted by morno
If you come in as an S/O with an immediate upgrade to F/O, you’re paid as an S/O under training until such time as you check out as an F/O. There have been some exceptions to this (changed to normal S/O pay before training was finished) where the training has extended beyond reasonable timeframes from what I understand.
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Yeah this is how it is in the awards, not really set up for this circumstance. It's pretty rough imo, wouldn't be hard to throw a bone to help the crews helping them out.

But yeah, welcome.....
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Old 4th Aug 2023, 23:37
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Originally Posted by morno
If you come in as an S/O with an immediate upgrade to F/O, you’re paid as an S/O under training until such time as you check out as an F/O. There have been some exceptions to this (changed to normal S/O pay before training was finished) where the training has extended beyond reasonable timeframes from what I understand.

Some 737 F/O’s have been going to Dallas for their sim training. Also some A330 S/O’s have been going overseas too (Bangkok, Singapore).
And any ideas regarding length of training I'm assuming FO training will be longer and more involved than SO?
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Old 5th Aug 2023, 01:09
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Any indications of QF throwing open the external recruitment doors for the numerous current 737 drivers looking for a change of scenery? Obviously would save Qantas a fair bit in training cost & time (assuming they stay true to their word of taking the 737)
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Old 5th Aug 2023, 01:11
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Any indications of QF throwing open the external recruitment doors for the numerous current 737 drivers looking for a change of scenery? Obviously would save Qantas a fair bit in training cost & time (assuming they stay true to their word of taking the 737)
The email floating around suggests priority for 737 type rated candidates. I suggest this would carry over into any new external recruitment.
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Old 5th Aug 2023, 01:50
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
Any indications of QF throwing open the external recruitment doors for the numerous current 737 drivers looking for a change of scenery? Obviously would save Qantas a fair bit in training cost & time (assuming they stay true to their word of taking the 737)

To save money they’d have to put you through a short course. Are they doing that with pre-qualified 737 pilots?
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Old 5th Aug 2023, 01:53
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I have heard of ex Virgin 737 guys/gals individuals doing 4 sims and line training at QF. Much shorter than the standard QF course.
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Old 5th Aug 2023, 05:47
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Anyone have insight into which fleet would be best for commuting as an SO? Would be flying in from a different east coast city to my base. I imagine the 787 is easier with longer trips. Or is there no point thinking about it because I won’t be given a choice?
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Old 6th Aug 2023, 07:02
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Recruitment cranking up again in Oct?
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