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Old 12th Jun 2023, 02:32
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Originally Posted by soseg
Meanwhile the 737 fleet shrinks from 75 down to... 20? 40 if lucky?

Mainline is dying. The last legacy carrier in Australia has no future.

That's one argument. Someone prove it wrong.
Well after recent allocations of the next financial year’s training, it looks to be the biggest in mainline history. Over 150 new pilots on the supposedly “shrinking fleet”.

The projections for the 24/25 financial year are apparently even higher, and that’s only taking into account a small proportion being trained for the 321 and 350. Most of that will be for existing fleets.

So proven wrong? Perhaps……
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Well after recent allocations of the next financial year’s training, it looks to be the biggest in mainline history. Over 150 new pilots on the supposedly “shrinking fleet”.

The projections for the 24/25 financial year are apparently even higher, and that’s only taking into account a small proportion being trained for the 321 and 350. Most of that will be for existing fleets.

So proven wrong? Perhaps……
Always appreciate your info from inside Dre. Looks like exciting times ahead. I was told to expect call up q1 24. It may well move forward.
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Old 12th Jun 2023, 11:22
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Well after recent allocations of the next financial year’s training, it looks to be the biggest in mainline history. Over 150 new pilots on the supposedly “shrinking fleet”.

The projections for the 24/25 financial year are apparently even higher, and that’s only taking into account a small proportion being trained for the 321 and 350. Most of that will be for existing fleets.

So proven wrong? Perhaps……
Or an insight into just how many people have left for greener pastures…
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Old 12th Jun 2023, 12:08
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Or an insight into just how many people have left for greener pastures…
Jealous you’re not involved mate? Certainly not many that have left for greener pastures.
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Old 12th Jun 2023, 12:20
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Or an insight into just how many people have left for greener pastures…
Not really - retirements to age 65 are low for the next 2 years thanks to VR. Whilst there may be a few new hire S/O resignations the training allocations only covered Capt and FO positions - and I can’t think of any who’ve resigned mainline for another job. If there are they are few and far between, and nowhere near the total of over 300 training positions. The vacancies were mostly because of increased 737 and 330 demand.

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Old 13th Jun 2023, 01:53
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Well after recent allocations of the next financial year’s training, it looks to be the biggest in mainline history. Over 150 new pilots on the supposedly “shrinking fleet”.

The projections for the 24/25 financial year are apparently even higher, and that’s only taking into account a small proportion being trained for the 321 and 350. Most of that will be for existing fleets.

So proven wrong? Perhaps……
Purely retirements.

Youre not implying short and long haul aren’t shrinking are you?
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 01:57
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Originally Posted by dr dre
The vacancies were mostly because of increased 737 and 330 demand.
“Why are the mainline pilots annoyed about Finnair? This is magically creating promotions.”

Dre, in the past your posts and insights have been great. You’re on the koolaid now.
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 02:03
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Originally Posted by soseg
Purely retirements.

Youre not implying short and long haul aren’t shrinking are you?
What do you get out of being a f**kwit? Are you jealous you don’t work there? The E-Jet not working for you?

Why do you insist that mainline is shrinking when there’s very little evidence to support it? A few A220’s going to NJS, whoopdee doo. These buffoons don’t know how to order a fleet of aircraft, every chance that they’ll replace the whole 737 fleet with A321’s but they’re too chicken to spend that much money in advance.
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What do you get out of being a f**kwit? Are you jealous you don’t work there? The E-Jet not working for you?

Why do you insist that mainline is shrinking when there’s very little evidence to support it? A few A220’s going to NJS, whoopdee doo. These buffoons don’t know how to order a fleet of aircraft, every chance that they’ll replace the whole 737 fleet with A321’s but they’re too chicken to spend that much money in advance.
You let me know when QF order not 75 a321 XLRS, but the 55 or so that’s needed to keep the short haul pilot ranks the same number, as every 321 frame will require more pilots than the same amount of 737 pilots.

That one is in your favour. I can easily ask you to let me know when it’s 1:1 with 75 replacements over the next decade.

Secondly, what was the fleet size in 2010? I genuinely don’t know.

QF is up 12 Dreamliners in 15 years with two about to arrive.

Down 2x 380s and 2x 330s with two more rumoured to also get turned into freighters.

How many 747s were retired in the last decade? How many 767s went in the last 10 to 15 years?

Go tell the guys and girls in Adelaide how QF isn’t replacing them with out sourced work.
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Originally Posted by morno
What do you get out of being a f**kwit? Are you jealous you don’t work there? The E-Jet not working for you?

Why do you insist that mainline is shrinking when there’s very little evidence to support it? A few A220’s going to NJS, whoopdee doo. These buffoons don’t know how to order a fleet of aircraft, every chance that they’ll replace the whole 737 fleet with A321’s but they’re too chicken to spend that much money in advance.
The NJS issue isn’t something to ignore mate. Qantas Management are not using these to fly current NJS routes (although initially they will for ease of training) E-Jets will be doing that, the A220 will be flying current ‘mainline’ routes. Wait till the Paris Airshow and a sneaky announcement from Airbus about an A220-500 and then bye bye QF 737s!
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 03:56
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The -500 version of the a220 should be a serious concern for all QF pilots who give half a **** about short haul.
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Originally Posted by soseg
The -500 version of the a220 should be a serious concern for all QF pilots who give half a **** about short haul.
Absolutely correct...and it would have been there for everyone to see, had they become more efficient in continuously asking "What are they NOT telling us?"...as has been advocated for a long time.

Unfortunately, too many ostriches (including unions) in Australian aviation
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What do you get out of being a f**kwit?
I'm tipping he gets the same kick that you get out of it ​​​​​​​
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 13:32
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Originally Posted by soseg
“Why are the mainline pilots annoyed about Finnair? This is magically creating promotions.”
Over 100 new pilots coming onto the A330.

Promotions - East Coast Long Haul F/O now at 6 years seniority - a big improvement compared to the past.

Originally Posted by morno

Why do you insist that mainline is shrinking when there’s very little evidence to support it? A few A220’s going to NJS, whoopdee doo.
The one thing supporting the purchase of more 321XLRs over even a proposed A220-500 is a lack of terminal and parking space and a growing population. Immigration is increasing and airports in Australia aren’t getting any bigger, not soon anyway. A 321 can fit 20% more people which will be needed in 5 years, let alone the 25 years of service life.

They’ll need the biggest aircraft with a less than 36m wingspan they can get, which is the 321XLR.
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Old 14th Jun 2023, 08:20
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To the talkative chappy (whose name escapes me) who was forecasting doom & gloom at QF mainline with a stampede out the door
, no respect , not enough wonga , overworked , hotels not up to standard - normal stuff really

Sure a few might have resigned past couple of years to take up better " employ" (in their minds at least), but this would be single figures & likely
couldn't fill one hand

I have only known two (this century ) who resigned , one who had been with QF ten + years (FO WB) & went to Tiger - yes ,yes what was this chap thinking

Another LHS WB who decided it would be a good idea to resign & go to Dubai , Emirates

As you know it wasn't a happy ending

What joining date is WB FO up to these days ?, you saying mid 2017 ?

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Old 14th Jun 2023, 08:48
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One thing Qantas Pilots are known for internationally is talking themselves up (and enjoying golf in the rain).

From a new-starter point of view if your coming from GA/Turbo regionals and want to see the world you’re better off at EK/SQ or one of many US Airlines. Qantas simply doesn’t fly anywhere overly interesting. You can see the world and come home with a house half paid off and grab a quick CMD at one of QFs subsidiary’s. You’ll end up with more money at retirement then if you went to QF as a SO and you’ll actually see the world.
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Old 14th Jun 2023, 10:04
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aussieflyboy (is that your insta name? asking for a friend) so on one thread you say Mainline don't hate the pilots at Network or NJS they hate the management but here you're saying go to EK SQ then come back and join one of them? and continue to help feed the screw over of conditions here! R U Ok?

Plus you forgot if you're coming from GA/Turbo regionals - you can't go to EK or SQ (as FO). I've listed each below to save you the time.

EK: minimum of 2000 hours on Airbus FBW or modern Boeing type
SQ:Minimum of 1500 total multi-crew flying hours on commercial jet aircraft
​​​​​​​Qantas simply doesn’t fly anywhere overly interesting
Where do you fly?.

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Old 14th Jun 2023, 11:04
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SIA pay less than QF rates - probably on par with JQ (after tax considered)
Maybe $12 K a month , sure not much tax but you can get $275K on your second day at QF by just
saying yes to 737
Yes we know about the bonus , but that was first one of that size since 2000s & remember what they did during Covid
EK & CX are neck & neck , each to their own
Oh for the 1980s/90s , generous housing allowance, all educations , all utilities
They don't exist anymore
Goodluck to those who got it (or got the remnants of it )
Just how good was the CX deal in the 80s (I'm sure I can remember seeing a print advert stating North of $1M HKD then for LHS)
Salary just miles in front of Aust, expensive HK property paid off during your tenure, Geelong College boarding fees all paid
All but a memory

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Maybe $12 K a month , sure not much tax but you can get $275K on your second day at QF by just
saying yes to 737
Where is the line to say yes to a 737 job for $275K paid out on my second day, I'm in!!

There must be a few current QF 737 drivers looking for that $275k right now, where'd it go, hmm, damn it Alan must have stolen it if I didn't say yes loud enough.
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Talk about wankers
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