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Did you not see what 60% of NJS Pilot voted for? A yes vote to fly a jet the size of a 737 for the same pay as a 717. And a reduction of rest time around days off!! What an embarrassment!
Threat to outsource and voters come out of the wood work.
Nothing more than an embarrassment.
Is it worth going to work doing the exact same job under a worse agreement?
Do other professions go backwards in conditions and pay if the company purchases new equipment?
Did we all get into this profession to be paid less and less each time a EBA expires?
Is it any different to Short Haul and the 20 321XLR?
Bigger jet for what in return?
When do you draw the line in and the sand and say NO?
SIA Press Release:
Singapore Airlines (SIA) will be rewarding eligible employees with a profit-sharing bonus of 6.65 months following the group’s record earnings and a maximum total of 1.5 months of ex-gratia bonus in recognition of their hard work and sacrifices during the pandemic.
So too are NJS and Network - following your logic, both pilot groups should soon receive their 6 to 8 Months' Bonus Pay for DEC's inbound...not hard work and/or sacrifices during the pandemic.
A performance-based bonus is an extra compensation granted to a team member as a reward for reaching pre-established goals and benchmarks. Leadership often rewards their teams with performance bonuses after evaluating outstanding projects or high-quality work performances.
A sign-on bonus is a monetary reward that an employer offers to an employee when the employee begins a new job. A sign-on bonus may come in the form of a single payment, multiple payments over a specified period or stock options.
Singapore Airlines (SIA) will be rewarding eligible employees with a profit-sharing bonus of 6.65 months following the group’s record earnings and a maximum total of 1.5 months of ex-gratia bonus in recognition of their hard work and sacrifices during the pandemic.
So too are NJS and Network - following your logic, both pilot groups should soon receive their 6 to 8 Months' Bonus Pay for DEC's inbound...not hard work and/or sacrifices during the pandemic.
A performance-based bonus is an extra compensation granted to a team member as a reward for reaching pre-established goals and benchmarks. Leadership often rewards their teams with performance bonuses after evaluating outstanding projects or high-quality work performances.
A sign-on bonus is a monetary reward that an employer offers to an employee when the employee begins a new job. A sign-on bonus may come in the form of a single payment, multiple payments over a specified period or stock options.
Last edited by RealSatoshi; 22nd May 2023 at 02:25.
SIA Press Release:
Singapore Airlines (SIA) will be rewarding eligible employees with a profit-sharing bonus of 6.65 months following the group’s record earnings and a maximum total of 1.5 months of ex-gratia bonus in recognition of their hard work and sacrifices during the pandemic.
Singapore Airlines (SIA) will be rewarding eligible employees with a profit-sharing bonus of 6.65 months following the group’s record earnings and a maximum total of 1.5 months of ex-gratia bonus in recognition of their hard work and sacrifices during the pandemic.
My mistake. I didn’t realise the trustworthiness of your sources.
I’ve no idea who you’re employed by but if you walk in to your managers office and demand a 6 month bonus, be sure to make a threat about leaving, and make damn sure you’re prepared to follow through. Otherwise, why would they pay?
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That makes no sense though, on any given day I might fly four flights with 186 pax which is 744 passengers moved on a single day with exposure to 4 takes offs, 4 landings and 4 lots of loading and ground handling as opposed to a 380 Pilot who moves 485 on a full flight with one take off and one landing and one lot of loading etc. The argument for more money based the more people means the A320/737 Pilot clearly should get paid more?
Problem with an Airline where the SO rank can get paid more than an FO or an FO as much as a Captain based on the Aircraft you fly is that it drives perverse outcomes in crew bidding, if all fleets were based on a single pay structure using rank and time in the company it would mean people would just bid for the flying they want as opposed to the most lucrative.
Still after the reign of Joyce we have a group that has multiple contracts, pay scales, opportunities based on nothing more than a desire to fracture employee groups and play them off against each other, in that he has been massively successful,
Problem with an Airline where the SO rank can get paid more than an FO or an FO as much as a Captain based on the Aircraft you fly is that it drives perverse outcomes in crew bidding, if all fleets were based on a single pay structure using rank and time in the company it would mean people would just bid for the flying they want as opposed to the most lucrative.
Still after the reign of Joyce we have a group that has multiple contracts, pay scales, opportunities based on nothing more than a desire to fracture employee groups and play them off against each other, in that he has been massively successful,
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In my opinion I thought that was going backwards….
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I think it is fair to be honest, why would you expect more, it is just another aircraft,
[QUOTE=Ollie Onion;11438812]I think it is fair to be honest, why would you expect more, it is just another aircraft,[/QUOTE
Ok so when you say “ it’s just another aircraft “ are you implying it doesn’t matter what aircraft you fly on a EA the pay rates should be the same?
Ok so when you say “ it’s just another aircraft “ are you implying it doesn’t matter what aircraft you fly on a EA the pay rates should be the same?
[QUOTE=maverick4442;11438826]
What’s this idea of “should be” or “fair”?
There is only what you have negotiated. The rest is moot.
Work for the low cost arm of a legacy - generally lower pay. Work for a legacy - generally slower promotion but better pay.
You get what you get!
There is only what you have negotiated. The rest is moot.
Work for the low cost arm of a legacy - generally lower pay. Work for a legacy - generally slower promotion but better pay.
You get what you get!
Thread Starter
I agree, what interests me is the ‘how can the NJS pilots vote up a contract where they get nothing extra for flying bigger aircraft’. If you already have the rates in your EBA then good for you. You soundnt expect extra though just because the new aircraft is bigger. A lot of airlines don’t have fleet pay but just a pay scale that doesn’t differ between fleets, seems to have less downside.
I agree, what interests me is the ‘how can the NJS pilots vote up a contract where they get nothing extra for flying bigger aircraft’. If you already have the rates in your EBA then good for you. You soundnt expect extra though just because the new aircraft is bigger. A lot of airlines don’t have fleet pay but just a pay scale that doesn’t differ between fleets, seems to have less downside.
As an aircraft gets bigger it’s not unreasonable to assume the Pilots should get paid more. 50% bigger does not mean 50% more pay. However, if you have 20% more seats and are still selling a MEL-BNE at the same seat price and the aircraft is considerably more fuel efficient it’s completely reasonable to assume the pilots should benefit with a pay increase. More responsibility should equal more pay.
I agree, what interests me is the ‘how can the NJS pilots vote up a contract where they get nothing extra for flying bigger aircraft’. If you already have the rates in your EBA then good for you. You soundnt expect extra though just because the new aircraft is bigger. A lot of airlines don’t have fleet pay but just a pay scale that doesn’t differ between fleets, seems to have less downside.
My above comment you said it was fair…
Now you are saying it’s not fair for the NJS pilots….
717-A220 for nothing extra is not fair in my opinion.
No different to the 737-A321XLR
Why do people think you should get paid more for flying bigger jets
Another view, if an aircraft is introduced that has double the passenger load over and above the previous that means only half the number of crews are required (all other things being equal). Hands up those who want to lose their job?
I could put forth the argument that if you fly a frame that only has the words Qantas on the side, not QantasLink, you should be getting a hefty pay rise.
Why?
Well, because thanks to AJ's divide+conquer and giving everything to subsidiaries, their future is bleek.
If you're lucky, right now, 19 years for a command.
Domestically everything keeps being given away to Network Aviation in the west, National Jet in the east, Alliance in the centre, JetConnect across the tasman.
Now even more international flying is being handed to Alliance/NJS.
Flight ops webinar for the 737 pilots and theyre literally telling them how the a220 is the future and how amazing it will be for the network and that might have a good business case for more than 29 of them.
Meanwhile the 737 fleet shrinks from 75 down to... 20? 40 if lucky?
International is sweet-F-all. Frames being cut up or converted then a few months later... oh no we need Finnair frames/pilots/cabincrew to fly out of Sydney.
Mainline is dying. The last legacy carrier in Australia has no future.
The future is being a QantasLink bin chicken or a budget Jetstar pilot. Or whatever VA is at the moment.
Stress & Skill:Reward ratio is probably better being a bus/train/tram driver.
That's one argument. Someone prove it wrong.
Why?
Well, because thanks to AJ's divide+conquer and giving everything to subsidiaries, their future is bleek.
If you're lucky, right now, 19 years for a command.
Domestically everything keeps being given away to Network Aviation in the west, National Jet in the east, Alliance in the centre, JetConnect across the tasman.
Now even more international flying is being handed to Alliance/NJS.
Flight ops webinar for the 737 pilots and theyre literally telling them how the a220 is the future and how amazing it will be for the network and that might have a good business case for more than 29 of them.
Meanwhile the 737 fleet shrinks from 75 down to... 20? 40 if lucky?
International is sweet-F-all. Frames being cut up or converted then a few months later... oh no we need Finnair frames/pilots/cabincrew to fly out of Sydney.
Mainline is dying. The last legacy carrier in Australia has no future.
The future is being a QantasLink bin chicken or a budget Jetstar pilot. Or whatever VA is at the moment.
Stress & Skill:Reward ratio is probably better being a bus/train/tram driver.
That's one argument. Someone prove it wrong.
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I could put forth the argument that if you fly a frame that only has the words Qantas on the side, not QantasLink, you should be getting a hefty pay rise.
Why?
Well, because thanks to AJ's divide+conquer and giving everything to subsidiaries, their future is bleek.
If you're lucky, right now, 19 years for a command.
Domestically everything keeps being given away to Network Aviation in the west, National Jet in the east, Alliance in the centre, JetConnect across the tasman.
Now even more international flying is being handed to Alliance/NJS.
Flight ops webinar for the 737 pilots and theyre literally telling them how the a220 is the future and how amazing it will be for the network and that might have a good business case for more than 29 of them.
Meanwhile the 737 fleet shrinks from 75 down to... 20? 40 if lucky?
International is sweet-F-all. Frames being cut up or converted then a few months later... oh no we need Finnair frames/pilots/cabincrew to fly out of Sydney.
Mainline is dying. The last legacy carrier in Australia has no future.
The future is being a QantasLink bin chicken or a budget Jetstar pilot. Or whatever VA is at the moment.
Stress & Skill:Reward ratio is probably better being a bus/train/tram driver.
That's one argument. Someone prove it wrong.
Why?
Well, because thanks to AJ's divide+conquer and giving everything to subsidiaries, their future is bleek.
If you're lucky, right now, 19 years for a command.
Domestically everything keeps being given away to Network Aviation in the west, National Jet in the east, Alliance in the centre, JetConnect across the tasman.
Now even more international flying is being handed to Alliance/NJS.
Flight ops webinar for the 737 pilots and theyre literally telling them how the a220 is the future and how amazing it will be for the network and that might have a good business case for more than 29 of them.
Meanwhile the 737 fleet shrinks from 75 down to... 20? 40 if lucky?
International is sweet-F-all. Frames being cut up or converted then a few months later... oh no we need Finnair frames/pilots/cabincrew to fly out of Sydney.
Mainline is dying. The last legacy carrier in Australia has no future.
The future is being a QantasLink bin chicken or a budget Jetstar pilot. Or whatever VA is at the moment.
Stress & Skill:Reward ratio is probably better being a bus/train/tram driver.
That's one argument. Someone prove it wrong.
Hit the nail on the head