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Old 15th May 2023, 15:38
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Originally Posted by morno
Where do I sign, because clearly you’re talking about a different company!

$300k is virtually impossible as an SO. Get your hand off it and go away or stump up how you get those figures, and then watch it get pulled apart very quickly.
Most of what makiko is saying is incorrect, but some super senior 380 SOs pre Covid were pulling in mid to high $200k’s, plus allowances to bring it up to $300k. It was achievable for the top dozen or so SOs on max pay rates who would fill up their roster with high overtime trips like Dallas. But only for a small group with 20 years seniority and who had foregone promotion to LH FO.

Won’t be achievable for any one joining today so this is really a moot discussion.
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Old 16th May 2023, 00:41
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Most of what makiko is saying is incorrect, but some super senior 380 SOs pre Covid were pulling in mid to high $200k’s, plus allowances to bring it up to $300k. It was achievable for the top dozen or so SOs on max pay rates who would fill up their roster with high overtime trips like Dallas. But only for a small group with 20 years seniority and who had foregone promotion to LH FO.

Won’t be achievable for any one joining today so this is really a moot discussion.
Yes. The caveat being Senior A380 SOs on the original scale.

He is trying to tell everyone its 787/330.
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Old 16th May 2023, 03:14
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Most of what makiko is saying is incorrect, but some super senior 380 SOs pre Covid were pulling in mid to high $200k’s, plus allowances to bring it up to $300k. It was achievable for the top dozen or so SOs on max pay rates who would fill up their roster with high overtime trips like Dallas. But only for a small group with 20 years seniority and who had foregone promotion to LH FO.

Won’t be achievable for any one joining today so this is really a moot discussion.
And they were including their Div 6 Super in those calcs..

Makiko is trying badly to troll or does't understand maths.
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Old 16th May 2023, 03:19
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The Bin Chickens of international aviation
...and everyone else fighting Hammer and Tongs to validate the above statement
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Old 16th May 2023, 03:41
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Remember you spend allowances when you’re away from home and anything you don’t spend are supposed to be added to your taxable income. Allowances are not a guarantee and are not a ‘Bonus’ to your base income.
There's no requirement to add unspent allowances to taxable income under Aus tax rules. Provided they come under the reasonable amounts listed they do not need to be declared and no receipts need to be provided.
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Old 16th May 2023, 06:33
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Originally Posted by patituri
There is an ongoing recruitment for A220 TR, experienced pilots from Europe.
Any idea what to expect in the assessment, or how many positions will be offered? We are already 8 candidates from my company and increasing
How much is the salary for a F/O and how many days the annual leave?
Thank you in advance
There will be 10 positions offered that require visas, but it's important to read the ad carefully. Even though the A220 will have "Qantas" painted on them, you will not work for Qantas, you will work for one of their subsidiaries called NJS and there is a unusually accurate thread about them on this forum. There will not be any chance to move bases for several years and changing types requires an application for another job. If you thought the cost of living is expensive where you live now, Melbourne is clearly more expensive.

Salary for a FO will be $122.000 Aussie pesos and perhaps 15.000-25.000 in allowances annually, for comparison this will make you one of the lowest paid jet FOs in the country. See paycalculator.com.au to work out how much your after tax pay will be.

Annual leave is the standard for Aussie pilots, 42 days annually. 10 days off per roster.

The assessment will probably be a formality as they cannot attract any experienced A220 pilots from overseas willing to work for such poor pay and conditions compared to the rest of the industry. NJS is not a happy place to be, especially the Melbourne base. Management are dysfunctional, only existing to continue collecting a salary. NJS is guilty of being tricky with the truth, several of the most recently hired FOs desire a Sydney base, during the interview it was hinted that they could get that soon after starting in Melbourne so they took the job on that basis. Some of them have been at NJS for over a year and haven't been allowed to move even though Sydney base is down to half of the minimum number of FOs while Melbourne base has enough crew.

Do not believe anything NJS or Qantas tell you unless it is in writing...das blaue vom himmel versprechen.

During their previous efforts to relocate existing pilots inside Australia, many basic but frustrating errors were made. Now add on the issue of obtaining a visa on your behalf which is something NJS has no experience in, converting your licence to an Aussie one, passing security checks and the associated paperwork as well as moving you and your family halfway around the globe, you are going to spend months doing paperwork, sims and other pointless paperwork with no clear schedule. NJS are unable to move anyone from Melbourne to Sydney so its not a matter of if they will make mistakes, but when and how many dozen of them. Then there's all the other tasks involved of moving to another country, a car, drivers licence, healthcare, etc.

My friend says even though the government hasnt changed the law yet, they want to change visa rules so that people like you wouldnt be required to stay with the same employer (NJS), you could theoretically start, have NJS get you a visa then resign and start at a higher paying Australian airline like Virgin (737/A320) or Rex 737. Thats just something to keep in mind, keep reading the news about those visa changes.

Please PM if you have more questions, I can find out answers for you and your interested colleagues.
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Old 16th May 2023, 07:13
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Anyone considering the a220 gig in Australia with any jet time is better off going to the Middle East or USA.

There is a good reason they cannot retain crew.
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Old 16th May 2023, 08:22
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Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima
There will be 10 positions offered that require visas, but it's important to read the ad carefully. Even though the A220 will have "Qantas" painted on them, you will not work for Qantas, you will work for one of their subsidiaries called NJS and there is a unusually accurate thread about them on this forum. There will not be any chance to move bases for several years and changing types requires an application for another job. If you thought the cost of living is expensive where you live now, Melbourne is clearly more expensive.

Salary for a FO will be $122.000 Aussie pesos and perhaps 15.000-25.000 in allowances annually, for comparison this will make you one of the lowest paid jet FOs in the country. See paycalculator.com.au to work out how much your after tax pay will be.

Annual leave is the standard for Aussie pilots, 42 days annually. 10 days off per roster.

The assessment will probably be a formality as they cannot attract any experienced A220 pilots from overseas willing to work for such poor pay and conditions compared to the rest of the industry. NJS is not a happy place to be, especially the Melbourne base. Management are dysfunctional, only existing to continue collecting a salary. NJS is guilty of being tricky with the truth, several of the most recently hired FOs desire a Sydney base, during the interview it was hinted that they could get that soon after starting in Melbourne so they took the job on that basis. Some of them have been at NJS for over a year and haven't been allowed to move even though Sydney base is down to half of the minimum number of FOs while Melbourne base has enough crew.

Do not believe anything NJS or Qantas tell you unless it is in writing...das blaue vom himmel versprechen.

During their previous efforts to relocate existing pilots inside Australia, many basic but frustrating errors were made. Now add on the issue of obtaining a visa on your behalf which is something NJS has no experience in, converting your licence to an Aussie one, passing security checks and the associated paperwork as well as moving you and your family halfway around the globe, you are going to spend months doing paperwork, sims and other pointless paperwork with no clear schedule. NJS are unable to move anyone from Melbourne to Sydney so its not a matter of if they will make mistakes, but when and how many dozen of them. Then there's all the other tasks involved of moving to another country, a car, drivers licence, healthcare, etc.

My friend says even though the government hasnt changed the law yet, they want to change visa rules so that people like you wouldnt be required to stay with the same employer (NJS), you could theoretically start, have NJS get you a visa then resign and start at a higher paying Australian airline like Virgin (737/A320) or Rex 737. Thats just something to keep in mind, keep reading the news about those visa changes.

Please PM if you have more questions, I can find out answers for you and your interested colleagues.

122k based in melb 😂😂 hope pilots like renting a cardboard box. Maybe pilots can live in their car at Tullarmarine carpark. Maybe NJS can install some showers in the airport toilets.
what a f..king disgrace. I hope every subsidary pilot leaves this third world sh*thole!
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Old 16th May 2023, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
122k based in melb 😂😂 hope pilots like renting a cardboard box. Maybe pilots can live in their car at Tullarmarine carpark. Maybe NJS can install some showers in the airport toilets.
what a f..king disgrace. I hope every subsidary pilot leaves this third world sh*thole!
Not much better for a Mainline SO either
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Old 16th May 2023, 09:11
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
Not much better for a Mainline SO either

It is an actual joke. If you are sitting in the flightdeck of a jet your base pay should be a minimum of 160k and I still think that is to low for the cost and sacrifice required to get that role.
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Old 16th May 2023, 10:02
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I take it you blokes will be leading the charge to change that? Thought so
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Old 16th May 2023, 10:18
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Originally Posted by morno
I take it you blokes will be leading the charge to change that? Thought so
Just you wait... hopefully the rest of the pilot group will grow a set of balls! This industry needs to be ground to a halt!
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Old 16th May 2023, 13:29
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
Just you wait... hopefully the rest of the pilot group will grow a set of balls! This industry needs to be ground to a halt!

Another30 year old dreamer. The pilot world needs more of these.
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Old 16th May 2023, 13:34
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Another30 year old dreamer. The pilot world needs more of these.
Better than being some woke millennial moron swallowing and accepting all the woke corporate BS!
Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
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Old 16th May 2023, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
Better than being some woke millennial moron swallowing and accepting all the woke corporate BS!
Rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Stay on your feet.
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Old 16th May 2023, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
122k based in melb 😂😂 hope pilots like renting a cardboard box. Maybe pilots can live in their car at Tullarmarine carpark. Maybe NJS can install some showers in the airport toilets.
what a f..king disgrace. I hope every subsidary pilot leaves this third world sh*thole!
Both my kids, early twenties live in Melbourne. Both earn $60k. Both rent reasonable units. A single young pilot on $122k? Can't make ends meet? Fiscally incompetent. Married with kids, different story.
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Old 16th May 2023, 23:27
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Originally Posted by Captn Rex Havack
Both my kids, early twenties live in Melbourne. Both earn $60k. Both rent reasonable units. A single young pilot on $122k? Can't make ends meet? Fiscally incompetent. Married with kids, different story.

Yea most pilots on a jet probably have kids or are wanting to start a family. After years of slogging it out in GA they should be able to afford a home in the city that they are based! You can't even buy a home near syd or melb even on 160k... I don't know what planet your on. But wow lets all aspire to rent a unit in Melbourne as an airline pilot! Wake the f**k up! Clearly you are whats wrong with this industry and country! Most people aspire to have a home and atleast 2 kids when they have a career. Yet go live in syd or melb on the pittance of a salary on offer. And unless you receive an inheritance, born in syd or melb or have the bank of mum and dad how in the god damn hell is someone now meant to move from Darwin, Broome, Perth or Adelaide able to afford to move to syd or melb to go work for qlink or rex on 70k a year?? I have seen absolute piles of garbage studios in Parramatta for $1100 a week. Anyone who even considers renting that on 70k a year needs to have their medical revoked for psychiatric reasons! While this continues and gets worse more and more pilots will be leaving this country. For you to even think this acceptable is pathetic! Yea good luck saving a deposit when your rent to live 50mins from the airport is $900 a week!
Maybe NJS can drop their f/o salaries to 60k since your children can survive on it!
dont worry mate with all the indian arrivals maybe we can get jet pilot salaries down to 40k. Lets hope!
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Old 17th May 2023, 00:23
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Interesting to learn recently that once NJS has trained their own people they intend on offering A220 Commands to Qantas 737 FOs as a secondment arrangement on NJS EA conditions.

I’m sure maggot FOs will be lining up around the corner to take up the offer…
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Old 17th May 2023, 00:30
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I have seen absolute piles of garbage studios in Parramatta for $1100 a week.
A quick look at real estate websites shows that $1100 a week will get you a 3 or 4 bedroom apartment in Parra, quite nice ones too. If you’re going to run with hyperbole, at least make it somewhat realistic.
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Old 17th May 2023, 01:46
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Interesting to learn recently that once NJS has trained their own people they intend on offering A220 Commands to Qantas 737 FOs as a secondment arrangement on NJS EA conditions.

I’m sure maggot FOs will be lining up around the corner to take up the offer…
That was already offered to some mainline F/Os.

I’m led to believe the number that accepted the deal was somewhere between zero and zilch.

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