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Old 17th May 2023, 02:49
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Interesting to learn recently that once NJS has trained their own people they intend on offering A220 Commands to Qantas 737 FOs as a secondment arrangement on NJS EA conditions.

I’m sure maggot FOs will be lining up around the corner to take up the offer…
Qf declined to negotiate 220 stuff in the recent SHEA revisit......
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Old 17th May 2023, 05:14
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Qf declined to negotiate 220 stuff in the recent SHEA revisit......
This was an offer to go to NJS on LWOP. No takers.
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Old 17th May 2023, 05:25
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What a surprise.
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Old 17th May 2023, 05:26
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Originally Posted by Captn Rex Havack
Both my kids, early twenties live in Melbourne. Both earn $60k. Both rent reasonable units. A single young pilot on $122k? Can't make ends meet? Fiscally incompetent. Married with kids, different story.
fu*king boomer
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Old 17th May 2023, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Swept-Wing
fu*king boomer
I usually defend boomers, but clearly he is the stereotypical out of touch boomer living in another reality. Wish I lived in his reality it would be nice...
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Old 17th May 2023, 05:54
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Originally Posted by brokenagain
A quick look at real estate websites shows that $1100 a week will get you a 3 or 4 bedroom apartment in Parra, quite nice ones too. If you’re going to run with hyperbole, at least make it somewhat realistic.

If you think $1100 a week for an apartment in Parra is reasonable you should have your class 1 medical revoked...
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Old 17th May 2023, 06:47
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If you think $1100 a week for an apartment in Parra is reasonable you should have your class 1 medical revoked...
Just highlighting that $1100 a week gets you something a bit nicer than an ‘absolute piles of garbage studios’. Gross exaggeration detracts from the point you’re trying to make.
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Old 17th May 2023, 07:19
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Originally Posted by dr dre
This was an offer to go to NJS on LWOP. No takers.
No takers? Excellent. Only way QF will get the message regarding their drive towards lowering pay and condotions is everyone saying "no" to their bastard tactics.
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Old 17th May 2023, 11:42
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli
Just you wait... hopefully the rest of the pilot group will grow a set of balls! This industry needs to be ground to a halt!
I totally agree with you!

I thought the Pilot group was going to grow a set with the past EBA negotiations to be honest,sadly all it takes is a threat to outsource and they all vote YES.

I have come to the conclusion all it takes is a threat and people buckle.
Those who vote YES to a **** agreement have no right to complain about how **** the agreement is because at the end of the day you votes YES!

Maybe it will change next time around…

“Tell him he is dreaming” more likely.,,,
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Old 17th May 2023, 12:01
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Lots of hysterical excitable posters about

The guy enquiring about NJS should look up the contract on fair work commission

NATIONAL JET SYSTEMS PTY LTD PILOT ENTERPRISE
AGREEMENT 2022

LHS base is $205K ,likely to gross a minimum of $250K

Who was the goose before who claimed it was only 12 or so super super senior SOs (who could have been LH FOs) on the 380 pre covid
who made $300K. Don't know anyone who has knocked back LH FO from SO

Complete nonsense back in 18/19 top pay about $150 per hour ,now $195 for SO on A380 & ton of SOs on year 12 rates on both 330/380 north of $300K now
, pretty normal I would have thought

What was a "try on" was early intro of SO B Scale , how can that be reasonable contract interpretation years before 350s arrive

Silence from AIPA is deafening, just pride as they "signed off" on the deal

Better than even chance you would get it flung at Court - really should take a max of two day hearing - its just one clause. But after Mr Windy Bags KC overcomplicates it all
maybe a 4 or at most 5 day hearing . Not a lot of brass to invest

Is it correct QF stated to AIPA they would commence B scale as "pay back" when AIPA stated they opposed street hire to A380
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Old 17th May 2023, 12:41
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I doubt there is truth in that gem as new hirers would only be on A380 b scale IF the company was already hiring on to the 330/350. I think that the company was always going to hire new 330 SOs as 330/350 to trigger the clause in the EBA as soon as possible. Certainly not payback. Also clarifying the union didn’t say no to direct 380, what the union wanted is for those already employed as SOs to have the opportunity to bid for those slots and if not for bypass clause of the EBA.
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Old 17th May 2023, 14:02
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Complete nonsense back in 18/19 top pay about $150 per hour ,now $195 for SO on A380 & ton of SOs on year 12 rates on both 330/380 north of $300K now
, pretty normal I would have thought
Current 330 SO hourly rate is $170.93. About 170 credit hrs/ bid period, 6.5 bid periods/yr, = 1105 hrs/yr, plus about 30 credit hrs for sims, EPS & security. That gives you about $194k/yr, on a fleet where there isn’t much overtime. You’d need $100k+ in allowances to make ‘north of 300k’. Your figures are nonsense. An average 330 FO wasn’t making that much pre-COVID.
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Old 18th May 2023, 01:42
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
Current 330 SO hourly rate is $170.93. About 170 credit hrs/ bid period, 6.5 bid periods/yr, = 1105 hrs/yr, plus about 30 credit hrs for sims, EPS & security. That gives you about $194k/yr, on a fleet where there isn’t much overtime. You’d need $100k+ in allowances to make ‘north of 300k’. Your figures are nonsense. An average 330 FO wasn’t making that much pre-COVID.
Brissy base perhaps
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Old 18th May 2023, 02:38
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The problem is the wording "Association will not unreasonably withold agreement" with regard requests to hire direct to 380

You might think the shutdown of international aviation for a couple of years & the worldwide issues with training /restarting qualify for an exception

How can bypass be linked to this ? (honest question) , as an off the street hire doesn't have a seniority number

Goodluck if the bidders can get it , I just think its a stretch . Does it sound logical that QF would pay bypass pay to everyone who put in a bid

Personally I think a much more winnable battle would be to get the start date of B Scale , pushed back to closer to AC delivery (a few years right ?)

There is no datal/time clause in when 330/350 category SO would be implemented with reference AC delivery - mistake by AIPA (& their lawyers)

Hard to see the reasonableness in QF decision , as AC long time away, no other ranks training etc etc

For people who plan on spending 10 or so years as SO , you are going to be down seven figures , got to be worth fighting for

If AIPA won't do it , there are other Unions or just do it yourselves (funding shouldn't be a huge issue as soon hundreds of B scalers)

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Old 18th May 2023, 03:24
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Makiko

That's not what the bypass proviosions say. Not everybody who bids is entititled to bypass pay. Read the contract. The SO A380 case will actually only affect and handfuls of bidders, but it’s the principle that AIPA are fighting for, and rightfully so I feel. That being said, even if AIPA win the case, those SO’s who are effected won’t be going to the A380, and by the time case gets through the federal court, they most likely will have bid, and been awarded another position knowing that the only outcome from an AIPA win, is a slightly higher hourly rate, without the overtime to bump up the pay.
With regard to the A330/350 assignment to SOT, AIPA is fighting for the company to be reasonable, there is no silence. But you have to be a member to get the info. Might be why you're not informed.

For someone with a lot to say, you don't seem to be able to get many of the facts straight. In fact, you are wrong, most of the time,

For those trying to put together a cohesive strategy about joining QF, just know that Makiko is incorrect just about every time. Purposely i feel.

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Old 18th May 2023, 04:11
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If AIPA won't do it , there are other Unions or just do it yourselves (funding shouldn't be a huge issue as soon hundreds of B scalers)
Is there any mainline pilots on the AFAP Qantas Pilots Council? Appears to be non existent.
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Old 18th May 2023, 04:44
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard
Current 330 SO hourly rate is $170.93. About 170 credit hrs/ bid period, 6.5 bid periods/yr, = 1105 hrs/yr, plus about 30 credit hrs for sims, EPS & security. That gives you about $194k/yr, on a fleet where there isn’t much overtime. You’d need $100k+ in allowances to make ‘north of 300k’. Your figures are nonsense. An average 330 FO wasn’t making that much pre-COVID.
The current SO hourly rate is not $170 it’s $103.07 or $129.15 on 787 or thereabouts. News SOs will top out at $115.89 on the 330 then add overtime and night credits (nothing extra on 78 hence higher rate). Those on the A scale will take 7 years to reach 170 per hour, and agree 300K a year is a pipe dream unless been at Qantas 12+ years on 380 and pick the overtime trips.
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Old 18th May 2023, 07:12
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Well that may be your opinion SP

I believe my data is accurate, for example when did I say anything about recruitment that was
pretty close to the money. Nobody has the exact data (aside from QF HR)

& it is my view that a couple of very important clauses in EBA 10 gave QF way to much latitude

People talk about contractual stuff-ups , the forgetting "sunset clause" etc , well for the implementation of B Scale
, the part that was forgotten was the "sunrise clause" (no pun intended) . Significant error

QF will never back down, happy collegial talk won't solve it , they have drawn their line in the sand

The only way to resolve it will be to litigate it & then slug it out in court (probably worth "final" warning - but unlikely to work), press for urgent hearing

You aren't trying to get Mabo over the line , its 10 words in a contract simple case

Otherwise you are going to have 100s of SOs locked into B Scale SO , years before the A350 arrives , company sleight of hand

Does anyone believe the A350 will arrive in late 2025 ?

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Old 18th May 2023, 07:26
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Shandy, it is my understanding that the AFAP has “formed” a Qantas pilot council, but with only a handful of members there isn’t a snowflakes chance in hell they will take on Qantas in this matter or I suspect any other.
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Old 18th May 2023, 07:39
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Thanks for the reply Makiko.

slug it out? Nobody is suggesting Mabo and the vibe will fix it. It looks like the company haven’t done anything illegal. What exactly will going to court to slug it out do?
The A380 is clearly a breach and that’s why the company has filed in the federal court. They want to delay it for ever or at least until it no longer matters. The SOT thing, is not. Going to court doesn’t fix it. That is not my opionion. It’s just not as simple as that.
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