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Old 27th Oct 2021, 11:20
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Originally Posted by morno
What a completely boring person you are. Who wants to go to the US? I do! Along with the rest of the world.

Would you rather we just lock ourselves indoors forever?

And why reference data that is completely irrelevant to the upcoming situation?
And are you going to be able to get travel insurance to do your trip to the USA? Or are you going to roll the dice and hope for the best ?
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 11:56
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Pub; The problem would be that being fully vaccinated does not fully protect you against getting Covid
, you should have a look at the daily cases from places like Singapore that are a long way in front of us
regarding vaccination rates 82% V 62% (of total population)

We know being fully vaxxed reduces probability of getting virus(data?) & probability of getting very sick(significantly) , but that's all it does

So if USA is getting 100k per day , maybe that equates to 10k per day in California , so perhaps it isn't such a great
time to kick up your heels & say "yeah hah, lets party in Cali" . Because if you become Covid + , you won't be getting on an airplane to come
home anytime soon. & if you get sick your $10K holiday could become a $100K venture

Have you ever thought that maybe there is a reason that Japan, China , Vietnam , Korea , Malaysia , NZ , Taiwan etc etc remain closed to foreign visitors ?

I don't think so many will be voting that UK/USA are the developed countries that handled Covid best

But if you think it is all "Good as Gold" you go for it Tiger ; I really just hope you take any minors along for the ride

Jump in the waters just balmy

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Old 27th Oct 2021, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Pub; The problem would be that being fully vaccinated does not fully protect you against getting Covid
, you should have a look at the daily cases from places like Singapore that are a long way in front of us
regarding vaccination rates 82% V 62% (of total population)

We know being fully vaxxed reduces probability of getting virus(data?) & probability of getting very sick(significantly) , but that's all it does

So if USA is getting 100k per day , maybe that equates to 10k per day in California , so perhaps it isn't such a great
time to kick up your heels & say "yeah hah, lets party in Cali" . Because if you become Covid + , you won't be getting on an airplane to come
home anytime soon. & if you get sick your $10K holiday could become a $100K venture

Have you ever thought that maybe there is a reason that Japan, China , Vietnam , Korea , Malaysia , NZ , Taiwan etc etc remain closed to foreign visitors ?

I don't think so many will be voting that UK/USA are the developed countries that handled Covid best

But if you think it is all "Good as Gold" you go for it Tiger ; I really just hope you take any minors along for the ride

Jump in the waters just balmy
Some perspective. We need to stop measuring cases rather hospitalisation as per endemic proolcols. US rate for vaccinated stands at 1/13000. In august 4% of vaccinated people made up hospitalisations but 87% were over 65 and 50% of them underlying health issues.
9000 road deaths occurred in the first quarter of 2021 in the USA

Some balance people.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 23:24
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It’d be nice if this thread didn’t turn into yet another Covid thread but given we’ve started to go down that road, it’s important to put Singapore into context.

Although 84% of Singapore residents have been fully vaccinated, most with doses from Pfizer (PFE.N)/BioNTech or Moderna (MRNA.O), the vaccines may not protect some of the most vulnerable.

Fully vaccinated people made up about 30% of deaths over the last month, most older than 60 with underlying medical woes, in line with studies showing that vaccines offer less protection to the old and very ill.
The thing that struck me is that the overwhelming majority of the deaths are still those who were unvaccinated or partially vaccinated.

Data from this reuters article.
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 10:46
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Originally Posted by Keg
Itíd be nice if this thread didnít turn into yet another Covid thread but given weíve started to go down that road, itís important to put Singapore into context.



The thing that struck me is that the overwhelming majority of the deaths are still those who were unvaccinated or partially vaccinated.

Data from this reuters article.
Agree Keg, it baffles me how so many just donít grok statistics and percentages.
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 10:52
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Pub; The problem would be that being fully vaccinated does not fully protect you against getting Covid
, you should have a look at the daily cases from places like Singapore that are a long way in front of us
regarding vaccination rates 82% V 62% (of total population)

We know being fully vaxxed reduces probability of getting virus(data?) & probability of getting very sick(significantly) , but that's all it does

So if USA is getting 100k per day , maybe that equates to 10k per day in California , so perhaps it isn't such a great
time to kick up your heels & say "yeah hah, lets party in Cali" . Because if you become Covid + , you won't be getting on an airplane to come
home anytime soon. & if you get sick your $10K holiday could become a $100K venture

Have you ever thought that maybe there is a reason that Japan, China , Vietnam , Korea , Malaysia , NZ , Taiwan etc etc remain closed to foreign visitors ?

I don't think so many will be voting that UK/USA are the developed countries that handled Covid best

But if you think it is all "Good as Gold" you go for it Tiger ; I really just hope you take any minors along for the ride

Jump in the waters just balmy
What is anyone “fully protected from” in this world?

You really are a negative Nancy mate. You do come across in all your posts as someone who’s never happy.

I hope you find something good in your life to make you smile! Life is way too short to be that negative about everything.

Good luck!
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 12:03
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Why does everyone call me a pessimist ?
Might be something to do with these brilliant predictions from all of 2 months ago.
If you think you will be going OS in 2022 with the control freaks we have as State Premiers , well I think that is very very optimistic , almost delusional
or this oneÖ
Does anyone seriously believe there will be regular scheduled services to USA/UK in 2023 ? Even more grim in developing Asian countries
Does anyone think the State Premiers will sign off on these kind of numbers? I was hoping for 50% domestic, 25 % international two years in , - no chance of making those numbers now, that is three years in (at best)
Yet now we are 4 days away from quarantine free international travel being available to the majority of Australian population. International flights are selling out over the next 2 months and by January nearly the entire country will be open for international travel. Yet you are still hanging on to months old traffic stats from the middle of our worst outbreak when vaccine coverage was far short of where it is now.

So it is your insistent negative projections in spite of significant positive progress that causes people to call you a pessimist (or worse).
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 12:20
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
So it is your insistent negative projections in spite of significant positive progress that causes people to call you a pessimist (or worse).
Telfer is on my ignore list so I only see their comments when someone quotes them (and even that’s too much) however the word you’re looking for is ‘troll’.
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Old 28th Oct 2021, 22:06
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Back on to topic.

HOBO said on a teams call to SOís yesterday, theyíve already had meetings to start the process, but recruitment slated to start in March.
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 05:14
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Originally Posted by Sparrows.
Back on to topic.

HOBO said on a teams call to SOís yesterday, theyíve already had meetings to start the process, but recruitment slated to start in March.
To clarify the above from what I just heard on the webinar that just ended.

March 2022 is the date when courses are planning to begin for new hires, presumably those already on the hold file. Good news for all in that position.
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 11:22
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Originally Posted by IsDon01
To clarify the above from what I just heard on the webinar that just ended.

March 2022 is the date when courses are planning to begin for new hires, presumably those already on the hold file. Good news for all in that position.
Did they mention numbers?
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 19:43
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I thought I heard the figure of 100, thrown around.
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 21:16
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Originally Posted by SixDemonBag
I thought I heard the figure of 100, thrown around.
To be honest, I donít think anyone knows.

Ill put this out there though.

Two years ago we were recruiting at a very high rate. Then covid happened and everything stopped.
Since then weíve had a reduction in numbers on the 747 and announced that two of the A380s of the 12 we originally had wonít be returning.
To balance that we ran a VR process and by the movement in the seniority numbers of those of us left I reckon about 260 took the package and left.
Recent announcements indicate the A380 will be returning way earlier than anyone predicted and weíll be taking delivery of the next three 787s as soon as we can get our hands on them.

Iím on the 787 and weíve been told to expect to be very busy in the short and medium term.

Iíve been involved in numerous reductions in numbers processes personally and the only constant in every one is that Qantas has massively overshot the amount of people they have moved. My very strong suspicion is that they have done the same thing with the recent VR process.

Looking to the short and medium term future is the arrival of three 787s and the A350 is still firmly on the table. In fact Iíve heard from various sources that the point to point flying is even more important post covid given the complexities around borders weíve all experienced through covid. Flying point to point is vastly more desirable now than it has ever been.

I fully expect that this recruitment announcement will just be the beginning and I expect we will continue to recruit for the foreseeable future in similar numbers we were pre-covid.Tempering that somewhat will be training capacity. The moronic decision to close the Sydney training centre and send simulators to Melbourne and Brisbane will slow things down. Yet another penny wise pound foolish demonstration, as if any more were needed.

Of course any recruitment in Qantas will also have immediate effect on the recruitment of Qlink, Network and JQ as people move to mainline from within the group.
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Old 29th Oct 2021, 21:40
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Originally Posted by On Guard
Did they mention numbers?
We will need lots. All the naysayers that said covid would be the end of aviation forgot that itís just another cycle.

After a boom thereís a bust, and after a bust, thereís a boom. Be ready.
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Old 30th Oct 2021, 05:18
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Originally Posted by mohikan
There will not be a need for pilot recruiting in QF for a very very long time. And with commands now running at 18+ years you will be a co-pilot for the majority of your career now.
A quote from 8 days ago. Looks to be ageing well
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Old 30th Oct 2021, 10:20
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Do the LH crew on the three year secondments around the group need to return before hiring starts, or is that number another gap to fill?
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Old 30th Oct 2021, 12:20
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Do the LH crew on the three year secondments around the group need to return before hiring starts, or is that number another gap to fill?
They donít need to return before external recruitment starts, and their absence and then planned return is factored into recruitment numbers.

For instance there were pilots on LWOP for all of the 2010-2020 timeframe in various parts of the world, that didnít stop external recruiting restarting in 2016.

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Old 31st Oct 2021, 02:25
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Originally Posted by IsDon01
To be honest, I donít think anyone knows.

Ill put this out there though.

Two years ago we were recruiting at a very high rate. Then covid happened and everything stopped.
Since then weíve had a reduction in numbers on the 747 and announced that two of the A380s of the 12 we originally had wonít be returning.
To balance that we ran a VR process and by the movement in the seniority numbers of those of us left I reckon about 260 took the package and left.
Recent announcements indicate the A380 will be returning way earlier than anyone predicted and weíll be taking delivery of the next three 787s as soon as we can get our hands on them.

Iím on the 787 and weíve been told to expect to be very busy in the short and medium term.

Iíve been involved in numerous reductions in numbers processes personally and the only constant in every one is that Qantas has massively overshot the amount of people they have moved. My very strong suspicion is that they have done the same thing with the recent VR process.

Looking to the short and medium term future is the arrival of three 787s and the A350 is still firmly on the table. In fact Iíve heard from various sources that the point to point flying is even more important post covid given the complexities around borders weíve all experienced through covid. Flying point to point is vastly more desirable now than it has ever been.

I fully expect that this recruitment announcement will just be the beginning and I expect we will continue to recruit for the foreseeable future in similar numbers we were pre-covid.Tempering that somewhat will be training capacity. The moronic decision to close the Sydney training centre and send simulators to Melbourne and Brisbane will slow things down. Yet another penny wise pound foolish demonstration, as if any more were needed.

Of course any recruitment in Qantas will also have immediate effect on the recruitment of Qlink, Network and JQ as people move to mainline from within the group.
Not only has the Sydney training centre been closed, all Sydney simulator instructors have been made redundant.
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Old 31st Oct 2021, 05:39
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Not only has the Sydney training centre been closed, all Sydney simulator instructors have been made redundant.
That could turn out to be a very expensive mistake
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Old 31st Oct 2021, 12:05
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Originally Posted by roundsounds
Not only has the Sydney training centre been closed, all Sydney simulator instructors have been made redundant.
Yep. And the crazy thing is the new simulator and training centre in Sydney was already half completed. Rather than finish it, and avoid all of the complications we are now facing, the decision was made to abandon the project. Presumably with associated contract break costs.
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