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Old 23rd May 2018, 23:37
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Old 24th May 2018, 05:55
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Originally Posted by Tankengine

Not everyone will go to 60. 747 retirement will tempt some to leave early.
Only if there is a package on offer. Otherwise they may as well push on to the 380...if only to stir the pot.
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Old 24th May 2018, 07:40
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Only if there is a package on offer.
According to those who should know, the company are adamant that there will be no VR package offered at the end of the 744's life.

What will be interesting is if the A380 loses some of the high-value (overtime) flying between now and then or soon after. The Melbourne base has already seen a substantial decrease in this flying with the loss of DXB-LHR. There is certainly still plenty there for the senior pilots in each rank but for those migrating from the 744 who'll be relatively junior, a move to the 787 may be financially equivalent - and it's a Boeing!
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Old 24th May 2018, 07:42
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According to those who should know, the company are adamant that there will be no VR package offered at the end of the 744's life.
Which pretty much makes it a guarantee
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Old 24th May 2018, 07:48
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Company Thought Bubble:
Send any who can displace to the A380, but donít displace. Carry a surplus which pushes the divisor down to 160 for many years. Those pilots reaching the MRA will then retire based on 160 hours instead of 180 based on their last 3 bid periods. I donít know what the money difference would be.
Calling their bluff? I canít see them displacing anybody. But I guess there is no guarantee that divisors will stay high on the 747.
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Old 24th May 2018, 08:25
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The ROSO on a training course I think is generally considered to be about two years. Rather than offering a VR package of X weeks per year worked the company may better off offering a flat fee of about a couple of hundred K with associated VR tax concessions. That’d be a win/ win I reckon and would probably save some double training over a period of a couple of years.

I guess we will know more when the company puts out the plan regarding the retirement of aeroplanes and it’s impact on 744 pilot numbers.
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Old 24th May 2018, 08:28
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What’s a divisor?
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Old 24th May 2018, 08:37
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Originally Posted by framer
Whatís a divisor?
Credit hours per 8 Weeks.
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Old 24th May 2018, 09:04
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Originally Posted by mrdeux
Only if there is a package on offer. Otherwise they may as well push on to the 380...if only to stir the pot.
True, if they could be stuffed. Go sick when the course gets hard etc.
A package might be cheaper.
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Old 24th May 2018, 09:05
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Usually the target for the roster build... Ie. 160-180 credits per 8 week roster
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Old 24th May 2018, 09:07
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
Company Thought Bubble:
Send any who can displace to the A380, but donít displace. Carry a surplus which pushes the divisor down to 160 for many years. Those pilots reaching the MRA will then retire based on 160 hours instead of 180 based on their last 3 bid periods. I donít know what the money difference would be.
If you are talking super there would be no change.
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Old 24th May 2018, 12:23
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Originally Posted by framer
Whatís a divisor?
You should have a read of their agreement, it's like War and Peace!
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Old 24th May 2018, 13:06
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Maybe. But like the book War and Peace, it serves a pretty useful purpose.
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Old 24th May 2018, 23:02
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Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
You should have a read of their agreement, it's like War and Peace!
Did anyone make it to the end?
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Old 25th May 2018, 02:41
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Tankengine, QSL defined benefit super is based on a pilotís final average salary. Lower final average salary = less super. So if pilots are working the minimum, rather than the maximum number of hours = less super.
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Old 25th May 2018, 02:46
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Of the EA? Yeah, it has some signatures on it. Best reading in the whole document. Iíll give you a tip too, the last paragraph of War and Peace bears a striking resemblance to the state of mind it has been necessary to maintain for the last 10+ years.
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Old 25th May 2018, 03:17
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Originally Posted by *Lancer*
Tankengine, QSL defined benefit super is based on a pilotís final average salary. Lower final average salary = less super. So if pilots are working the minimum, rather than the maximum number of hours = less super.
Doesnít FAS assume 170hrs divisor?
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Old 25th May 2018, 04:16
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
the last paragraph of War and Peace bears a striking resemblance to the state of mind it has been necessary to maintain for the last 10+ years.
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Old 25th May 2018, 04:47
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Originally Posted by *Lancer*
Tankengine, QSL defined benefit super is based on a pilotís final average salary. Lower final average salary = less super. So if pilots are working the minimum, rather than the maximum number of hours = less super.
FAS is defined, it is not related to what you actually fly.
For div 1 and 2 it is 132hrs per bid period, I think 170hrs for Div3.
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Old 25th May 2018, 05:21
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Fair enough. That may make displacements more likely then.
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