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Old 1st Nov 2011, 15:59
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AND........ Dont Forget the Feds

They're still on the Qantas gravy plane | News.com.au
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It ain't over yet folks...

Industrial deal may backfire on Qantas
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Freehills tactics will backfire and damage Qantas



Top bosses' riches are undeserved


Alan Joyce, the CEO of Qantas, which has a near-monopoly over air travel in Australia, has hit the headlines with his $5 million pay packet. But he is far from the highest paid CEO in Australia.
There is no doubt in my mind we will see the end of Joyce and Clifford much quicker than it feels today for many of the Q staff. In the above photo we see a that jaw lock photo (again, he must hate it) and we will see it in time as his trademark photo.... now on the right we see the story

Qantas says grounding warning given


THE two main parties are accusing each other of having prior knowledge of plans by Qantas to ground its fleet and cripple the nation, while the airline says it would not have stopped flying had the government used a different section of the relevant act to terminate the dispute.
The Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, who has been slamming the government for sending the dispute to the industrial umpire instead of terminating it immediately using special powers, found himself on the backfoot yesterday when he refused to say when he first knew Qantas was harbouring such a plan.
The government accused Mr Abbott of a cover up. It noted that he first called for government intervention on Friday, the same day the Liberal premiers of NSW and Victoria made that call, and the day before the grounding.

''Was Mr Abbott, his office or any colleagues in his party involved in an orchestrated campaign in the lead-up to this announcement?'' the Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, asked. ''Mr Abbott is almost alone in refusing to be critical at all of Qantas's decision.''
Mr Albanese was told by the Qantas boss, Alan Joyce, at 2pm on Saturday that the fleet was to be grounded in three hours. He was told that the decision had been taken and was a fait accompli. Mr Albanese has repeatedly said that despite frequent meetings with Mr Joyce in the previous days, Mr Joyce never signalled grounding the fleet and locking out the workforce. Mr Joyce again contradicted this yesterday.


Basically I believe as the video suggests Qantas management self inflicted the damage to itself... why, because they have embarrassed all in Canberra and the Australian public will not like another waterfront styled dispute which smashed the unions at that time, Gillard would be scared witless as she always blamed the Liberals for the heavy handed tactics used in the waterfront dispute. This time around people are a wake up to Freehills (is that how they spell it?) heavy handed style, they won't like it. Qantas can't afford to lose anymore customers after last weekends debacle... think about it.. AJ has painted himself into a corner already.

In my view, all Qantas unions must center their next action in front of these lawyers office's and name them in public, promote the line Save our Qantas, these lawyers are working to destroy Australian jobs advising AJ and LC. The lockout tactic last weekend is a good example of how these basta#ds think and work.

John Angus is the doorman,
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The punters who fly with Q will not like to see what these faceless suits advised in the past get away with it again. I bet freehills advised AJ not to go on the 7.30 report twice this week.

take another look a this video, and listen again what a punter says about AJ,



a pretty good consistent example of what I have been hearing over and over again from common garden variety Australians regarding AJ and the Qantas management. One thing faceless men hate is being exposed to the real world.

I bet one of the trolls on here work for Freehills......

Lets expose them to the general public before it is too late. They can't take us all to court, the beaks will get sick of their narrow tactics.

As a rule lawyers are good for society, corporate (faceless) lawyers are different, they get paid whether their clients win or lose, just look at parliament today, both Gillard's and Abbott's lot, most lawyers were acting like little children over the Qantas issue. The funny thing is, Gillard was the one who set up FWA but at the end of the day was scared to use it as "it opened a minefield of legal issues, uncharted waters" typical lawyer speak...

People are hurting, LC's timing is not good, Dixon got away with it, took the money and ran, AJ won't be so lucky, he is not liked and he is already exposed.

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Amazing what happens in half a day. thanks for recording question time.
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Fellas, support at last. Richo. Check out his blog in the OZ today, and bombard his email on Sky, his show is on tonight, tell him what is really happening, I think he has a fair idea already, he has well and truly shafted Clifford and Joyce this morning, so get stuck into it, it just might be the circuit breaker we have been looking for.
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I don't know if it's possible, but can someone post a copy of Richo's blog? The Oz is a pay site now.
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And I trust that should I join the Aust. they'll stop taking advertising revenue....double dipping!!
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Time for Australians to exercise some muscle don't you think? Citizens in the middle east are no longer bending over and taking it while the minions at the top feather their nests at the expense of those less privileged ?

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The Script

Did Abbott & Hockey let the cat out of the bag on last nights 7:30 report?
Abbott of course can use "I booked to fly Sunday with family" Plausible deniability. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I smell the "script" for the lockout was something along the lines of the following. Of course this is superstition:

Step 1: Qantas "backgrounds" the lockout in the Parliment house over the past few weeks. No direct contact with the government about the issue.

Step 2: Qantas goes live with lockout threat to government, threat must be seen to be credible.

Step 3: Qantas banks on Gillard using full powers under the fair work act to terminate not just the protected bargaining period , but also the industrial agreements for the three unions.

Step 4: [contingency] Implement lockout, seek termination at FWA

Gillard didn't play by the script in step 3, so Qantas had to go live with the lockout. It would appear that somewhere someone got the wrong signal about what the government would or wouldn't do with regard to its FWA unilateral powers.

Processes from here at FWA have the potential to be extremely messy for Alan Joyce, Olivia Worth, and Qantas. I'm sure coming into the next election campaign will figure very strongly in Gillards thinking. The government can score maximum points if it can kick a "rogue employer" in the nuts. Its use of "extreme action" by various ministers already highlights this thinking.
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Air Navigation and Civil Aviation Amendment (Aircraft Crew) Bill 2011

Amends the Air Navigation Act 1920 and Civil Aviation Act 1988 to provide that an Australian airline, or a subsidiary of an Australian airline, is not issued an international aviation licence unless it provides the same wages and conditions to overseas-based flight and cabin crew operating its flights as if they were directly employed by the airline.
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Is Old Ianmeadow still around, and did he have any involvement in this?
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IO is still around and up to his neck in this:

cue to 3:25 mark

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Apparently Geoffery Thomas is about to expose an "act of sabotage" on a Qantas aircraft on David Oldfields's program on 2UE
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ESTION:
Mr Abbott, did anyone from Qantas speak to you or your office prior to Saturday about the possibility of a grounding?
TONY ABBOTT:
Look, the important thing is that the Government was warned repeatedly by Alan Joyce of the possibility of a grounding should this dispute continue. Now, the grounding of Qantas is essentially the cessation of an essential service. That’s why the Government should have taken it far more seriously, that’s why the Government should have acted sooner. Unfortunately, what we saw was a Government and a Prime Minister too scared of the faceless men of the union movement to act decisively to protect the Australian public.
QUESTION:
The question was whether your office was forewarned of the dispute. Can you answer that?
TONY ABBOTT:
Look, my office was in regular contact with Qantas. Qantas – as anyone in Parliament House would know – have basically been patrolling the corridors of Parliament House for weeks now alerting people to the seriousness of the dispute.
Thanks very much.
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It seems like Joyce unleashed a huge can of Baygon, the cockroaches are running everywhere - QF management now looking for cracks to hide in, Hockey, Abbott, the Carbon Queen and co. This is prime time television at it's best. It is like watching Survivor but with the players being Corporate Australia, the Liberals, Labor, a few Independants thrown in and QF management, question is 'who will be sent to redemption island'?

Put all these players on the stand and under oath. Straight questions which require "YES or NO" answers.

I won't harp on with the same old rhetoric, and as for proof of the stench of 'mates rates' in all this, refer to other posts (especially the links) on this page by Happy Gilmore, Capt Kremin and TIMA9X. Also Tailwheel's link to Senator Xenophon's proposed amendment is woth mulling over. I give the Senator full credit on his recent performaces, he would appear to be probably the only Australian politician that acts in the interest of the servants a politican is meant to serve.

I say heads need to roll over this, and the more QF heirachy and politicians that are rolled the better, so start scrambling cockroaches.

Is Old Ianmeadow still around, and did he have any involvement in this?
'All for one and one for all'! Mates rates and the lure of easy money and a never ending gravy train would make it overwhelmingly likely that the answer to that question would be 'yes'.
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Qantas – as anyone in Parliament House would know – have basically been patrolling the corridors of Parliament House for weeks now
Why was that Tony? Who do you mean by QANTAS, Tony?

The person who has been MIA since Friday has been found.
Long period of industrial uncertainty possible, say lawyers

What was she doing in the Press Gallery? showing support for her former boss perhaps?
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What was she doing in the Press Gallery? showing support for her former boss perhaps?
And who is she speaking to on the phone, her old boss, Slugger, da wee man, a photocopier and shredder repair man, a hairdresser?
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73to91, priceless. She doesn't look too happy being snapped, does she?
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