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Someone is buying, big time......
Or is someone baling out?
64.5 million shares traded in two days...........
Or is someone baling out?
64.5 million shares traded in two days...........
It must be buyer driven, as it went up on two consecutive 'down' days. If it were the other way then the share price would resemble a rock dropped down a mine shaft.
Think about it though - 65 mill shares at an average of $1.60 is 'only' just over $100m. Some would consider that a very small price to pay to cause the share price to rise, when it was forecast to fall and ultimately keep the narrative pure that Qantas is totally right.
Just a thought
Think about it though - 65 mill shares at an average of $1.60 is 'only' just over $100m. Some would consider that a very small price to pay to cause the share price to rise, when it was forecast to fall and ultimately keep the narrative pure that Qantas is totally right.
Just a thought
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A "ball tearer" of a session. I will endeavour to get the today's Senate question time (replayed tonight up tomorrow).
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Makes me wonder if someone in executive management leaked to a senior shadow minister given their previous close working relationship. Not saying just speculating.
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Maybe OW is off researching the Awards presented to QF 32 crew in the UK so she can use the Spin Machine at her disposal for something worthwhile.
Naaah guess it would be hard to acknowledge and explain what they are proposing to do, so it doesn't suit their purpose at this point in time.
Shameful inconsistency.
Naaah guess it would be hard to acknowledge and explain what they are proposing to do, so it doesn't suit their purpose at this point in time.
Shameful inconsistency.
Today I heard Abbott and Hockey (I think) on the news & in Parliament, questioned on prior knowledge of the grounding. Both used more or less the same line to support thier line of no prior knowledge of Saturdays shutdown, "..of course they did not know otherwise they would have changed their flight bookings."
This seems to me a weak defence. I reckon both they and QF bet on immediate Gov't/Ministerial intervention to Terminate prior to the shutdown commencing. Hence their current questions to the Govt as to why it did not act immediately and let it go onto FWA. QF for its part would have wanted and expected the immediate intervention to achieve their aim, without the bad PR and cost.
As they all expected the shutdown to be thwarted before it began, flights would have continued and no need to change flights. They cannot have it both ways.
This seems to me a weak defence. I reckon both they and QF bet on immediate Gov't/Ministerial intervention to Terminate prior to the shutdown commencing. Hence their current questions to the Govt as to why it did not act immediately and let it go onto FWA. QF for its part would have wanted and expected the immediate intervention to achieve their aim, without the bad PR and cost.
As they all expected the shutdown to be thwarted before it began, flights would have continued and no need to change flights. They cannot have it both ways.
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Tick tock tick tock
Well well, the stench of ****e grows stronger by the day!
Some interesting connections being unveiled. I would like to personally encourage all who are revealing some of these interesting links, morsels and nuggets to keep up the good work, keep going, get the information and the truth out into the open. Perhaps some documents, emails, diaries and other anecdotal evidence contained within mascots bowels can be 'outed' into the public domain?
Why hasn't an inquiry been ordered? Why haven't the Feds been called in? Time to subpoena phone records, emails, anything of tangible use.
Maybe AJ has bitten off more than he can chew this time? I think it is time for someone to start to examine each word uttered by QF management, politicians and any other influential supporter of QF in this saga.
By the way, and hypothetically, if a person was to use the excuse or BS story 'hey, I bought tickets to travel for my family and I weeks or days before the grounding so why would I do that if I knew the airline would be grounded', would that person(s) actually think that all of us would believe that ****e?? That would be like the criminal who buys a movie ticket, doesn't go into the movie but goes home and murders his wife and then says 'hey, it wasn't me who did it, I was at the movies between 1900 to 2130' !
No, sorry folks, as each day passes I can see the web of lies, deception and bulls#it expanding rapidly. This entire event has a smell of suspicion to it that can be smelt in Texas!
My thought is this, can't we get Senator Xenophon, messes Purvinas and Jackson, Paul Phelan, Ben Sandilands or some credible person put a series of scripted questions to those who have the stench of deceit wafting around them? Word those question so that no twisted, deflective, bullish#t indirect answers can be regurgitated. Straight answered, under oath, yes or no.
Can anyone else smell what I am smelling??
Some interesting connections being unveiled. I would like to personally encourage all who are revealing some of these interesting links, morsels and nuggets to keep up the good work, keep going, get the information and the truth out into the open. Perhaps some documents, emails, diaries and other anecdotal evidence contained within mascots bowels can be 'outed' into the public domain?
Why hasn't an inquiry been ordered? Why haven't the Feds been called in? Time to subpoena phone records, emails, anything of tangible use.
Maybe AJ has bitten off more than he can chew this time? I think it is time for someone to start to examine each word uttered by QF management, politicians and any other influential supporter of QF in this saga.
By the way, and hypothetically, if a person was to use the excuse or BS story 'hey, I bought tickets to travel for my family and I weeks or days before the grounding so why would I do that if I knew the airline would be grounded', would that person(s) actually think that all of us would believe that ****e?? That would be like the criminal who buys a movie ticket, doesn't go into the movie but goes home and murders his wife and then says 'hey, it wasn't me who did it, I was at the movies between 1900 to 2130' !
No, sorry folks, as each day passes I can see the web of lies, deception and bulls#it expanding rapidly. This entire event has a smell of suspicion to it that can be smelt in Texas!
My thought is this, can't we get Senator Xenophon, messes Purvinas and Jackson, Paul Phelan, Ben Sandilands or some credible person put a series of scripted questions to those who have the stench of deceit wafting around them? Word those question so that no twisted, deflective, bullish#t indirect answers can be regurgitated. Straight answered, under oath, yes or no.
Can anyone else smell what I am smelling??
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ENT may I suggest you get in touch with AIPA and they can put you in touch maybe with the wider QF pilot group more efficiently.
PM me if you would like their details.
PM me if you would like their details.
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My thought is this, can't we get Senator Xenophon, messes Purvinas and Jackson, Paul Phelan, Ben Sandilands or some credible person put a series of scripted questions to those who have the stench of deceit wafting around them? Word those question so that no twisted, deflective, bullish#t indirect answers can be regurgitated. Straight answered, under oath, yes or no.
Can anyone else smell what I am smelling??
Can anyone else smell what I am smelling??
I'll pinch my answer from another thread but relevant here also.
Interesting point. Now the company will almost inevitably get the Workplace Determination they were so desperately seeking, understanding the process becomes important.
A workplace determination is where a full bench of FWA formally hears supporting arguments from both sides regarding the issues in dispute. I recall writing to Qantas a letter with 61 questions regarding the announced 200 million International loss. They never answered them.
The answer to these questions and the supporting evidence will most certainly be subpoenaed in view of the full public in about a months time as part of the determination hearing. If anyone here thinks that the facts about Qantas can be hidden forever, please think again. This dispute (which is not just about 3 EA Agreements) has a long way to run yet. We won't win every battle. Not every day will be a good day. Your union Reps will make mistakes but the truth will set us all free.
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Oink Oink Pigs at the Trough - AGAIN
No wonder the Vic Premier and Ministers were so supportive of Joice last week:
Qantas signs up most of Baillieu cabinet to exclusive Chairman's Lounge | Herald Sun
Qantas signs up most of Baillieu cabinet to exclusive Chairman's Lounge | Herald Sun
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Of course there is no favoritism is there?
Interesting how I have to endure economy class sh#t service and be given a muesli bar onboard, and endure having to mingle in a prehistoric departure lounge while MY tax is used to pay for a politician to sit in the Chairmans Lounge prior to them sitting in the comfy wide seats at the pointy end of the plane ?
No conflict of interest with Pollies and QF is there?
This taxpayer funded life o luxury for these elected parasites who do not pay to travel, pay rego for a car or fuel or servicing, who have gold lined credit cards, who are paid excessive amounts of money, who don't pay for phone or office use and retire early and receive life long travel benefits and perks has got to stop. Time for Australians to exercise some muscle don't you think? Citizens in the middle east are no longer bending over and taking it while the minions at the top feather their nests at the expense of those less privileged ?
Yes the trough is stocked to the hilt if you are a political bottom feeding capitalist. Disgusting vermon.
Interesting how I have to endure economy class sh#t service and be given a muesli bar onboard, and endure having to mingle in a prehistoric departure lounge while MY tax is used to pay for a politician to sit in the Chairmans Lounge prior to them sitting in the comfy wide seats at the pointy end of the plane ?
No conflict of interest with Pollies and QF is there?
This taxpayer funded life o luxury for these elected parasites who do not pay to travel, pay rego for a car or fuel or servicing, who have gold lined credit cards, who are paid excessive amounts of money, who don't pay for phone or office use and retire early and receive life long travel benefits and perks has got to stop. Time for Australians to exercise some muscle don't you think? Citizens in the middle east are no longer bending over and taking it while the minions at the top feather their nests at the expense of those less privileged ?
Yes the trough is stocked to the hilt if you are a political bottom feeding capitalist. Disgusting vermon.
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CALL ME CYNICAL....
27th October Herald Sun: STOP QANTAS STRIKES, TED BAILLIEU SAYS
Stop Qantas strikes, Ted Baillieu says | Herald Sun
THEN 6 DAYS LATER....
2nd November Herald Sun:QANTAS SIGNS UP MOST OF THE BAILLIEU CABINET TO EXCLUSIVE CHAIRMANS LOUNGE
Qantas signs up most of Baillieu cabinet to exclusive Chairman's Lounge | Herald Sun
Great f..king investment that one turned out to be Ted Faillieu.
27th October Herald Sun: STOP QANTAS STRIKES, TED BAILLIEU SAYS
Stop Qantas strikes, Ted Baillieu says | Herald Sun
THEN 6 DAYS LATER....
2nd November Herald Sun:QANTAS SIGNS UP MOST OF THE BAILLIEU CABINET TO EXCLUSIVE CHAIRMANS LOUNGE
Qantas signs up most of Baillieu cabinet to exclusive Chairman's Lounge | Herald Sun
Great f..king investment that one turned out to be Ted Faillieu.