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MERGED: Qantas grounded effective immediately.

Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:00
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I don't think he realises (or cares) how far and wide the hurt has spread.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:02
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Go for it 'Mad Bob' !! You get my vote. Maybe you can team up with Nick ?
Yes, both of them great straight talking honest Aussies.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:14
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I can't vote for Labour, Can't vote for the Libs, hate the greens. Who remains, ding, ding, ding we might have a winner. If I stay in this country long enough to vote at the next election. Australia is a disgrace.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:16
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Burn that fuel.

Look for headwinds, carry as much as you can justify, take the full star and the ILS every time......

Taxi at a walking pace riding the brakes with power. Don't heat 'Em up too much. Might have to return to the stand

Descend early and use that level segment to slow her right up. Burners on.

Burn that fuel

In CTAFs join upwind instead of base or final in the interests of safety.

Burn that fuel

Every litre you burn extra is a little less in the bank to fight you, and a little less in the boards bonus.

Burn that fuel

Burn that fuel

Burn that fuel
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:19
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I will pay very close attention to the Save/Loss figures on the Flight Plan, and order fuel accordingly. Exceptionally in the west, and Canberra
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:26
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Qantas shares up 5%...

Virgin up about 7%

Not everyone seems to think what happened was the worst thing ever.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:34
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Working to rule is meeting the bare minimum requirements of your employment contract, nothing more.
Sounds like a good recipe for the 'Worlds Safest Airline' , have an accident or a string of incidents over the next few months and see what happens to Qantas
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:46
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Accountability..or lack thereof!

Can someone explain to me why CASA needs to 'sign off' on the Qantas Risk Management Plan regarding the resumption of flying operations.

Qantas took the decision to ground flying ops, therefore they should facilitate and risk management the resumption.

If CASA grounded the airline, then CASA should risk manage and decide on flying ops.

This is blantant avoidance of accountability on the part of Qantas Management.

CASA should provide comment abd advice - however, they should not be carrying the can. If Clifford and Joyce think they have all the answers then they can carry the risk.

When will the Government of Australia stand up!

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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:51
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Burn that fuel.

Look for headwinds, carry as much as you can justify, take the full star and the ILS every time......

Taxi at a walking pace riding the brakes with power. Don't heat 'Em up too much. Might have to return to the stand

Descend early and use that level segment to slow her right up. Burners on.

Burn that fuel

In CTAFs join upwind instead of base or final in the interests of safety.

Burn that fuel

Every litre you burn extra is a little less in the bank to fight you, and a little less in the boards bonus.

Burn that fuel

Burn that fuel

Burn that fue
While you play these little games my kids are sitting in the back , this is where this sort of **** has to stop , both sides forget about the SLF , YOUR CUSTOMERS

Post like this show the thinking that in an attempt to get revenge on management, pilots and staff are once again not even thinking inconvenience for your passengers let alone the additional risk of considering flying non standard flight profiles

What are you people thinking ? You want to disenfranchise all your loyal customers who have stuck with you this far ?

Seriously Mach082 , do you think that sort of behaviour is acceptable for a professional pilot ? Maybe you should ground yourself because your mind isn't thinking rationally

I actually do give a SH*T about what's going on , this whole situation is wrong but QANTAS still needs to maintain it's professionalism , it is what you have been selling to the World , the reason why jobs need to be kept in Australia , keep squeezing your customers in your efforts to hurt management and the bad guys have already won.





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Old 31st Oct 2011, 00:59
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Where are the great Union leaders? licking their wounds ? . How do they intend to recover from this defeat? and to those delusional posters depending on pollies to come to the rescue , my condolences . A truly great disasterous campaign run by the media tarts in these unions . Anyway Tony is happy he will be the NP of the ALP , thanks to his loyal supporters and those silly enough to believe him.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 01:17
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Seriously Mach082 , do you think that sort of behaviour is acceptable for a professional pilot ? Maybe you should ground yourself because your mind isn't thinking rationally
You have a point but you must be able to see how even a professional pilot would come to make those statements in these circumstances.

I am amazed that people who have a choice still fly with Qantas. I know that is not fair on the good people that remain there in their 000's but the entity is a shell of it's former excellence.

The true unprofessionalism lies in the actions of successive managements who have pursued a strategy that has lead to the systematic degradation of the full-service international carrier. The fleet, network, service and engineering capability etc have all been sacrificed and yet there is a market there. I know I am not the only person who choses another airline over Qantas even if it means a less direct or more expensive routing - that is a sad indictment and something Mr Joyce does not wish to rectify.

I truly feel for all the fine people who are tied up in this mess.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 01:41
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There is most certainly a plan to deal with this kind of threat. Its easy for posters like Mach082 to be discovered when the right authority is sought from the right people.
Threats? Retribution?
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 01:49
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Newpiper spewed out:
All of the QF levy paying union members of the Baggage, engineers and Pilots union must be asking whether they are getting value for money from the union because if these unions did not anticipate such a response from Qantas which could have meant their members go without pay for a long period of time, members ought to be ringing their union leaders asking why not! What are the unions paying their legal teams for??
What in God's name are you babbling on about ?

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Old 31st Oct 2011, 01:51
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The pax will not be inconvenienced one bit.

You can achieve the same block times burning extra fuel.

The only ones hurting will be Joyce and co and their faulty calculator.

Why do you think they have become so concerned with fuel uploads, cruise power settings and other operational efficiencies? They know the Pilot can hurt them. You can't increase cruise power to regain schedule if the schedule is outside of a ten minute window. Effectively they are saying you must fly at their chosen level, at their chosen power setting with their fuel upload.

Professional Pilots? Only returning the professionalism extended to them.

Kamikazees I believe after all.

Newpiper, we don't need to know who you are. We already know. A Richard Cranium

I'm no way endorsing the above, I don't work for Qantas, I'm not involved with AIPA or any of the other unions in dispute.

I'm venting my frustrations for my many mates at Qantas and thanking the heavens my management are like mother teresa in comparison. And we still have our complaints.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 01:59
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MACH082 you are displaying the mentality of a toddler and are viewing the world from about the same perspective.

Make Qantas even less productive with your childish "burn fuel" plans?

I suggest you hop in your car and go driving whilst "riding the brakes with power". Then you can do yourself financial damage without bothering the rest of us.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:02
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Time for a bit of light relief: ABC Radio Perth (720) have announced that they'll be chatting to Alan Joyce after the 10am news. No, not THAT AJ, the one who's been getting all of the hate tweets :-)
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:02
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Funny you mention Woolies. I spent a fair bit of time in their employ, as a nightfiller and then later as a night manager while getting my CPL.

Woolworths has a very heavily unionised workforce. You'd be hard pushed to find a single employee among the rank and file in the stores that isn't a member of the SDA; the union organiser swings past during every induction to do his spiel, and most people sign up on the spot. Every couple of years when EBA time comes round, Woolies bargain in good faith with the unions, end up with a reasonably happy workforce that feels valued, and the company continue to make record profits.

AJ could learn many lessons in IR from Woolies.
Let's consider this problem with the precedent Gillard & FWA have set last night.

1. Woolies employees next EBA try to get reasonable and fair T&Cs
2. Woolies management pretends (but actually refuses) to negotiate in good faith
3. Woolies employees jump through all the hoops at FWA to introduce a PROTECTED industrial campaign with minimal disruption possible
4. Woolies management will just go f**k you, we're shutting down temporarily, watch this
5. Gillard and FWA **** their pants and roll over because of damage to the economy
6. Woolies employees get f**ked over in arbitration.

Essentially, the precedent set last night by FWA allows any big business to circumvent the Fair Work Act.

Gillard is an absolute disgrace to Australia, let alone the moral standings expected of a LABOUR leader. She rode KRudd's (the smartest leader we've had) coat tails, and stabbed him in the back to get her fat *rse in the top job... AND HAS ACHIEVED NOTHING.

I'm with Fatguyinalittlecoat... Julia is a disgrace to the nation, Abbott is a muppet, the greens are unrealistic, who the hell do we vote for? Suddenly Pauline kicking leprachauns out of "Ostraylia" doesn't seem so bad afterall.
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:20
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Mach 082 - if you want to be 'productive' see post 787 of this thread (ironic number eh!)

As for the B.S. you proffer I would be the first one to back the company kicking your ar*se for being unsafe and stupid (I note that the two are usually interdependent.)

It's numbat statements like those posted by you that will give Joyce the golden excuse he is so desperate for.

Jeez - time to go to work .....how does that go again????

AT
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:25
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Well, I hate to say I told you so...

...so, I'll tell you something else...

...sometime next year Gudice will join Qantas in a senior consultancy role!



By the way, my wife thinks you're a bunch of pussies, especially the pilots!
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Old 31st Oct 2011, 02:38
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Cart before horse??

The CEO's reasoning for grounding the airline was due to a safety risk due to a shock being delivered to the pilots.
What shock being delivered to the pilots? What was the shock going to be?

If he did not ground the planes, there was no shock to deal with.

This is a disgrace from Juliar to the board of Qantas.

If Canada was not so cold I would move there.
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