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What we're selling
What do you think it is that we are selling to our customers ?
In-flight service....Due to continual cost-cutting that's nothing to write home about
Safety.........No, Plenty of (as safe) forms of transport
Glamour.....Not for the last 40 years
The only thing we have to sell is...........................
Time.
Other transport modes can meet (or better) us for service / style / luxury, or just about any other metric you care to name, but none can touch us for speed.......Well, in most cases, not yet anyhow !!
Now, FFS, can we all please stop our in-fighting and concentrate on our poor colleagues who are under the gun or have already "left the business" ?
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How many in QCA/B/C/D gone ?
Why are things so quiet in engineering / flight ops ?
SpannerTwister
In-flight service....Due to continual cost-cutting that's nothing to write home about
Safety.........No, Plenty of (as safe) forms of transport
Glamour.....Not for the last 40 years
The only thing we have to sell is...........................
Time.
Other transport modes can meet (or better) us for service / style / luxury, or just about any other metric you care to name, but none can touch us for speed.......Well, in most cases, not yet anyhow !!
Now, FFS, can we all please stop our in-fighting and concentrate on our poor colleagues who are under the gun or have already "left the business" ?
:
How many in QCA/B/C/D gone ?
Why are things so quiet in engineering / flight ops ?
SpannerTwister
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I have received a private message asking for my opinion about the liklihood of cabin crew redundancies.
I personally dont see that happening unless there is a further dramatic downturn that cannot be managed in other ways.
For those that are "willing" on a cabin crew redundancy i can clearly surmise that you are actually an ex employee who was terminated for inappropriate behaviour. (heads down?????)
In fact it was for the sort of behaviour you exhibit on here that you exhibited against another employee but actually got caught for by a police investigation which led to your termination. Your phrases and syntax used on here is identical that something that i have seen and read elsewhere. I suggest that you be very careful.
Just please be aware that ISP's can be subpoenaed from pprune if one of the people you openly defame decides it's actionable. More importantly like last time, mental illness is not a defense to defamation
I personally dont see that happening unless there is a further dramatic downturn that cannot be managed in other ways.
For those that are "willing" on a cabin crew redundancy i can clearly surmise that you are actually an ex employee who was terminated for inappropriate behaviour. (heads down?????)
In fact it was for the sort of behaviour you exhibit on here that you exhibited against another employee but actually got caught for by a police investigation which led to your termination. Your phrases and syntax used on here is identical that something that i have seen and read elsewhere. I suggest that you be very careful.
Just please be aware that ISP's can be subpoenaed from pprune if one of the people you openly defame decides it's actionable. More importantly like last time, mental illness is not a defense to defamation
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another so called 'language expert' waiter.
No. It's been said quite a lot already with reference to your posts but because you find it very difficult to read and understand, as well as write, here it is again. There is nothing 'expert' in being able to put a basic sentence together. In fact, that would be average. Something most people are able to do. You are not in this category.
Maybe I'm not as smart as you, but I still can't work out how working as a pilot is comparable to being a waiter?
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There doesn't seem to be much culling of management in engineering as yet, apart from the Lean Sigma Manager being shown the door and the remnants of Murray's legacy going later this month, the deck chairs have been shuffled but nothing else. Anyone know of other managers going?
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Where is Tightslot When you Need Her?
By now HD would have received 2 warnings 12 infractions and a life ban from Tightslot.
Maybe the Mods here see HD(DH) as entertaining.
He was.For a nano second
Now he is embarrassing himself and PPrune.
This neck of the woods is becoming a sad joke
Maybe the Mods here see HD(DH) as entertaining.
He was.For a nano second
Now he is embarrassing himself and PPrune.
This neck of the woods is becoming a sad joke
I dont know why users dont just use the ignore function on those that dont wish to read another members posts or just use your good sense and not comment on those users posts.
There is an underscore between heads and down if you are finding it difficult to use the ignore user.Has the user stepped outside the terms of use? If not, no reason to ban or place sanctions.
Back on topic.....
In engineering we have been told the restructure continues but no further heads have rolled other than TG and RH.
DM to HR (human remains)
Supposedly 2 levels to go.I have noticed a few members of those levels looking a bit worried.
Regardless of what we think of an individual its a long time to wait until execution. Should be a cleaner, faster process.
Some of them are decent people and do a good job.Others just seem to occupy an office for no good reason.
If they truly looked hard 2 levels is just scratching the surface.
There is an underscore between heads and down if you are finding it difficult to use the ignore user.Has the user stepped outside the terms of use? If not, no reason to ban or place sanctions.
Back on topic.....
In engineering we have been told the restructure continues but no further heads have rolled other than TG and RH.
DM to HR (human remains)
Supposedly 2 levels to go.I have noticed a few members of those levels looking a bit worried.
Regardless of what we think of an individual its a long time to wait until execution. Should be a cleaner, faster process.
Some of them are decent people and do a good job.Others just seem to occupy an office for no good reason.
If they truly looked hard 2 levels is just scratching the surface.
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A certain "BUTT-HEAD" Manager from Aircraft Readiness and another "Hard" Manager from Lean Sigma are now classified as "Retired Staff Travel" on QF Intranet. Just a damn shame that the other "Slimey" Aircraft Readiness Manager hasn't been shown the door. I believe he still enjoys the protection of the Fat Controller and now takes on a mangement position as OH&S Manager for Line Stations.
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Heard the other day that engineering was contributing about 150 people to the 500 exec/management spots to go. The contractors that got booted out of my section were confirmed by our fearless leader as being towards the 500 ... and most of those contractors were not even close to being defined as managers. Fearless leader also confirmed that our section was clear of any more management posistions going so not a single real manager was booted 
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Someone I know in engineering has told me that he was given an Estimate of Redundancy Entitlement on 21 April 2009 and forced to sign a Release Agreement on 30 April 2009. This was all the notice he says he got about being forced into redundancy. I find this extremely difficult to believe. Can anyone tell me what the process has been? Does this sound unusual in a forced redundancy situation or do you think it is more likely a voluntary one? What is the procedure with voluntary redundancy offers? Anything official??
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If he was "forced" into redundancy the ALAEA would of made darn sure the process took more then 9 days.
This sounds like a VCR to me, i.e, he took a "package".
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This sounds like a VCR to me, i.e, he took a "package".
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Rumpole, this doesn't seem to be quite right. Being based in CNS we have just gone through a redundancy/redeployment program. We were all given an information folder which among other things did contain an Estimate of Redundancy Entitlement. The only thing that required signing was the Expression of Interest form if you were interested in redundancy/redoplyment, and that was purely voluntary. QF wanted rid of 6 people. They got more than 6 interested parties, but only 6 people got the nod - 4 redundancies, 2 redeployments.
1 of the redundant LAMEs has already left and I was in the room sitting beside him when he did his clearance. He did not sign any "Release Agreement'. He answered a series of questions (mainly about whether he had any QF property or not. ie tools, laundry card, corporate credit card, qras token etc, etc). The lady from HR ticked the appropriate boxes, took his QF ID card from him, then SHE signed the bottom of the form and that was it. He was an ex QF employee as of that moment (and happy as a pig in pooh let me tell you)! He did not have to sign anything, in fact he had to be let out of the premises, as you need a QF id card to 'swipe' out.
We were both slightly bemused by the lack of fanfare/speed with which it all happened, but that was it. 20+ years of service all over with in less than 15 minutes.
Hope this helps.
MH
1 of the redundant LAMEs has already left and I was in the room sitting beside him when he did his clearance. He did not sign any "Release Agreement'. He answered a series of questions (mainly about whether he had any QF property or not. ie tools, laundry card, corporate credit card, qras token etc, etc). The lady from HR ticked the appropriate boxes, took his QF ID card from him, then SHE signed the bottom of the form and that was it. He was an ex QF employee as of that moment (and happy as a pig in pooh let me tell you)! He did not have to sign anything, in fact he had to be let out of the premises, as you need a QF id card to 'swipe' out.
We were both slightly bemused by the lack of fanfare/speed with which it all happened, but that was it. 20+ years of service all over with in less than 15 minutes.
Hope this helps.
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Rumpole, manager and HR people X2 lobbed on 30th April and gave out the information packages, which as well as containing the Estimate of Redundancy Entitlement also had the Expression of Interest form. (I guess the logic is 'see how much money you are going to get now please, 6 of you leave - or maybe I'm being over-cynical).
We were given until 13th May to return (or not as the case maybe) the Expression of Interest forms. Some were on leave, off shift etc, etc. They were all contacted via mobile/email except one who was o/s and non-contactable, and did not return until after deadline. Fortunately for all concerned he was not interested in redundancy or redeployment.
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We were given until 13th May to return (or not as the case maybe) the Expression of Interest forms. Some were on leave, off shift etc, etc. They were all contacted via mobile/email except one who was o/s and non-contactable, and did not return until after deadline. Fortunately for all concerned he was not interested in redundancy or redeployment.
MH
