Mega Merged: AsA ATC staffing levels
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FLIGHTFOCUS: "Respect and support would be earned if ALM's collectively told TFN that it is not working."
What is the point of telling him how bad the system is or bad his decision making and endangering of the entire aviation community is? His toe-cutters in DMW, last month, and JH now, and their underlings don't give a ****e as long as they keep their HOUR OF POWER.
A senior LT controller put in an ESIR because his vast experience told him that the system was GOING TO KILL PEOPLE. He was forced away from the workplace. TIBA followed. The only thing stopping a major FUCHUP at LT is the passion of the Tasmanian aviation community.
One of the senior Approach designers resigned last month because he pointed out some flaws in the management of the system and couldn't get any sense out of the highly paid non current managers who are trying to meet a budget as opposed to providing a service at an effective cost.
Peee off TFN and take your FUCHWITS with you, because if you are still around when the ****e hits the fan, you are going to wear most it.
WOULD YOU FLY AN INSTRUMENT APPROACH PUBLISHED IN DAP/JEPP WITH NO ONE AT HOME WATCHING THE FARM? Only having one designer for 1400 approaches is not allowed by CASA. But ANSA still keep their licence? WHO IS WATCHING THE FARM?
CASA's last audit of ANSA's CASAR 173 reg only revealed some administrative problems related to non-current maps...but failed to pick up a single error in the 400 procedures that are 30 years old and DO NOT COMPLY WITH ICAO and CASA legislated requirements.
Luckily some of us don't have to just sit in the back of the jet and watch the dedicated pilots trust the IFR procedures that are not being AUDITED or checked by either ANSA or CASA - and hopefully arrive at the destination alive.
Where is the new minister? Will it take him 50 or 80 years to organise an APOLOGY to the families of a bunch of dead passengers and crew because he failed to maintain our trusted aviation system to the standard that we all require.
What is the point of telling him how bad the system is or bad his decision making and endangering of the entire aviation community is? His toe-cutters in DMW, last month, and JH now, and their underlings don't give a ****e as long as they keep their HOUR OF POWER.
A senior LT controller put in an ESIR because his vast experience told him that the system was GOING TO KILL PEOPLE. He was forced away from the workplace. TIBA followed. The only thing stopping a major FUCHUP at LT is the passion of the Tasmanian aviation community.
One of the senior Approach designers resigned last month because he pointed out some flaws in the management of the system and couldn't get any sense out of the highly paid non current managers who are trying to meet a budget as opposed to providing a service at an effective cost.
Peee off TFN and take your FUCHWITS with you, because if you are still around when the ****e hits the fan, you are going to wear most it.
WOULD YOU FLY AN INSTRUMENT APPROACH PUBLISHED IN DAP/JEPP WITH NO ONE AT HOME WATCHING THE FARM? Only having one designer for 1400 approaches is not allowed by CASA. But ANSA still keep their licence? WHO IS WATCHING THE FARM?
CASA's last audit of ANSA's CASAR 173 reg only revealed some administrative problems related to non-current maps...but failed to pick up a single error in the 400 procedures that are 30 years old and DO NOT COMPLY WITH ICAO and CASA legislated requirements.
Luckily some of us don't have to just sit in the back of the jet and watch the dedicated pilots trust the IFR procedures that are not being AUDITED or checked by either ANSA or CASA - and hopefully arrive at the destination alive.
Where is the new minister? Will it take him 50 or 80 years to organise an APOLOGY to the families of a bunch of dead passengers and crew because he failed to maintain our trusted aviation system to the standard that we all require.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=WnguYtpZMUc
Here you are aviators?
Who is the controlling this situation?
The ATC, the pilot or the Approach designer?
Well flown RNP guys.
WHY IS QANTAS THE ONLY OPERATOR AUTHORISED BY CASA TO CONDUCT SUCH LOW DH APPROACHES?
Here you are aviators?
Who is the controlling this situation?
The ATC, the pilot or the Approach designer?
Well flown RNP guys.
WHY IS QANTAS THE ONLY OPERATOR AUTHORISED BY CASA TO CONDUCT SUCH LOW DH APPROACHES?
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My recent banning reminds me of the old classic joke about the foul-mouthed parrot. ...
A lady goes to a pet shop to buy a pet parrot. The salesman sells the lady a very nice parrot in a cage - and tells her that it is a very talkative parrot. When she gets home, she takes the cover of the cage, and immediately the parrot lets fly with a barrage of foul language, four letter words, and insults. The more the lady tries to calm the parrot, the worse the language. Desparate, she rings the pet store for advice. The owner suggests putting the bird in the freezer for a few minutes, to teach it a lesson [sound familiar?]. So, the lady takes the still swearing parrot from the cage, puts it in the freezer, and closes the door. After a few minutes, the foul language dies away, and she opens the door. Out pops a shivering parrot, who says in his poshest English accent "Oh madam - I'm so dreadfully sorry about my foul language, and terrible behaviou - I hope you can find it in you to forgive me, and I promise I shall never swear again" The lady forgives the parrot - who then asks, in his best and most proper British accent "Pray, madam, might I make an enquiry? Pray tell, can you tell me what the turkey did wrong?!"....
I shall endeavour to behave....
A lady goes to a pet shop to buy a pet parrot. The salesman sells the lady a very nice parrot in a cage - and tells her that it is a very talkative parrot. When she gets home, she takes the cover of the cage, and immediately the parrot lets fly with a barrage of foul language, four letter words, and insults. The more the lady tries to calm the parrot, the worse the language. Desparate, she rings the pet store for advice. The owner suggests putting the bird in the freezer for a few minutes, to teach it a lesson [sound familiar?]. So, the lady takes the still swearing parrot from the cage, puts it in the freezer, and closes the door. After a few minutes, the foul language dies away, and she opens the door. Out pops a shivering parrot, who says in his poshest English accent "Oh madam - I'm so dreadfully sorry about my foul language, and terrible behaviou - I hope you can find it in you to forgive me, and I promise I shall never swear again" The lady forgives the parrot - who then asks, in his best and most proper British accent "Pray, madam, might I make an enquiry? Pray tell, can you tell me what the turkey did wrong?!"....
I shall endeavour to behave....
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http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=aWtdtuspnoM
You reckon these guys could hold the vnav requirements on an RNP?
You reckon these guys could hold the vnav requirements on an RNP?
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Lt Esir
Maggott17 said
A senior LT controller put in an ESIR because his vast experience told him that the system was GOING TO KILL PEOPLE.
Actually, all the controllers at LT put in the report but the palm fruit who was the subject of the ESIR chose to instigate a witch hunt against the biggest target. It doesn't pay to speak your mind in the land of sycophants.
A senior LT controller put in an ESIR because his vast experience told him that the system was GOING TO KILL PEOPLE.
Actually, all the controllers at LT put in the report but the palm fruit who was the subject of the ESIR chose to instigate a witch hunt against the biggest target. It doesn't pay to speak your mind in the land of sycophants.
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http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=34KeQCqrMCw
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=O7hgw5pQr1Y
Is there an echo in here?
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=O7hgw5pQr1Y
Is there an echo in here?
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just went back to work after my entitled days off.
all of a sudden, trying to access this site from work computers brings up a naughty screen from the net nanny monitoring software AsA installed last year. [they trust us to seperate planes, but not to be responsible on our breaks
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the site was okay last week.
this thread could not have anything to do with the site now being a no-no, surely?
all of a sudden, trying to access this site from work computers brings up a naughty screen from the net nanny monitoring software AsA installed last year. [they trust us to seperate planes, but not to be responsible on our breaks
]the site was okay last week.
this thread could not have anything to do with the site now being a no-no, surely?
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Yellow naughty screen. The warning classifies PPrune as entertainment and thus naughty.
It does seem an odd coincidence that the warning comes up after this thread appears.
It does seem an odd coincidence that the warning comes up after this thread appears.
The yellow is probably worse than the red. With the yellow, when you click 'yes' you are letting them track all your movements and posting content. Seems like a witch hunt to me. Even retrospective 'justice' could be dealt when they cross reference posts of interest and usernames you are logged in under. This is the very reason why I have not visited this site since the tracking software was installed.
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From news.com.au today..............
SEVERE shortages of air traffic controllers are causing major headaches for Airservices Australia.
A Senate estimates committee today heard details of air traffic control towers left understaffed and at times unstaffed because of sickness and a lack of controllers.
"We do have a shortage of air traffic controllers," the general manager of air traffic control for Airservices Australia Jason Harfield told the hearing.
"One of the factors that exacerbates our problem is that it takes at least two years from somebody off the street to be qualified as an air traffic controller.
"We have had a number of service interruptions, particularly over the last six to 12 months."
Labor senator Kerry O'Brien detailed a series of events during the past week where the number of air traffic controllers had been fewer than required, and asked whether the "stories that are out and about" were true.
For example, he said, last Friday between 2.30pm (AEDT) and 6pm, and from 9pm until midnight, there was only one air traffic controller on duty for Sydney arrivals from Melbourne, when normally there were three people available.
Mr Harfield said that was not quite accurate but services had been delayed because of staff sickness.
"The situation was managed so that the service could be provided," he said.
"There were restrictions placed on how traffic would flow through the airspace to ensure that the system wasn't overloaded and provision was made to provide breaks to the controller."
Senator O'Brien continued his line of questioning, asking about closures at the Launceston air traffic control centre last weekend.
"Launceston tower closed early Sunday night," he said.
Mr Harfield admitted he was unaware of the closure at Launceston.
"It did open late on Sunday, that was a result of the morning shift at Launceston tower going sick and we were unable to get a replacement staff member.
"At the moment staff members at Launceston, the normal establishment is six."
Mr Harfield said one person working at Launceston was on long-term sick leave.
"We've just gone through a selection process to find a replacement."
Another example of management blaming their staffing mistakes on controllers............
SEVERE shortages of air traffic controllers are causing major headaches for Airservices Australia.
A Senate estimates committee today heard details of air traffic control towers left understaffed and at times unstaffed because of sickness and a lack of controllers.
"We do have a shortage of air traffic controllers," the general manager of air traffic control for Airservices Australia Jason Harfield told the hearing.
"One of the factors that exacerbates our problem is that it takes at least two years from somebody off the street to be qualified as an air traffic controller.
"We have had a number of service interruptions, particularly over the last six to 12 months."
Labor senator Kerry O'Brien detailed a series of events during the past week where the number of air traffic controllers had been fewer than required, and asked whether the "stories that are out and about" were true.
For example, he said, last Friday between 2.30pm (AEDT) and 6pm, and from 9pm until midnight, there was only one air traffic controller on duty for Sydney arrivals from Melbourne, when normally there were three people available.
Mr Harfield said that was not quite accurate but services had been delayed because of staff sickness.
"The situation was managed so that the service could be provided," he said.
"There were restrictions placed on how traffic would flow through the airspace to ensure that the system wasn't overloaded and provision was made to provide breaks to the controller."
Senator O'Brien continued his line of questioning, asking about closures at the Launceston air traffic control centre last weekend.
"Launceston tower closed early Sunday night," he said.
Mr Harfield admitted he was unaware of the closure at Launceston.
"It did open late on Sunday, that was a result of the morning shift at Launceston tower going sick and we were unable to get a replacement staff member.
"At the moment staff members at Launceston, the normal establishment is six."
Mr Harfield said one person working at Launceston was on long-term sick leave.
"We've just gone through a selection process to find a replacement."
Another example of management blaming their staffing mistakes on controllers............
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It sounds like it is time to hit Senator O'Brien with the RIGHT QUESTIONS and the anticipated WRONG ANSWERS from the Airservices management that are endangering the travelling public with their inept management of an enthusiastic bunch of ATC's who have kept the system going for so many years, despite the WORST efforts of IDIOTS such as DMW, TFN and now JH trying to protect their "at risk" component of their salary.
QUESTION 1.
Why aren't their enough controllers to provide the legislated 24 hour protection of international airline traffic as per Australia's signature to the ICAO agreements?
Anticipated answer.
The last lot of managers failed to put enough students through the ACADEMY.
REAL ANSWERS.
JH: If I keep the necessary number of controllers to make the system work, I won't get my full pay and my wife will have to cut back on her necessary makeup, give back her black SAAB and drive the kids to school in a Hyundia. I couldn't handle the responsibility of SAFETY and sleep at night so I jumped into the GM ATC role to ensure I get my bonus.
DMW: TFN made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Cut the number of controllers or lose the chance of NATIONAL PARTY membership.
TFN: John Anderson appointed me to make more profit out of aviation for the government. Anyone can be a controller so just ramp up the Academy every five years or so and that will fix it. If you ATCs do as I say, then I will get a bonus and NATIONAL PARTY preselection. Don't argue just do it. I will be ok.
QUESTION 1.
Why aren't their enough controllers to provide the legislated 24 hour protection of international airline traffic as per Australia's signature to the ICAO agreements?
Anticipated answer.
The last lot of managers failed to put enough students through the ACADEMY.
REAL ANSWERS.
JH: If I keep the necessary number of controllers to make the system work, I won't get my full pay and my wife will have to cut back on her necessary makeup, give back her black SAAB and drive the kids to school in a Hyundia. I couldn't handle the responsibility of SAFETY and sleep at night so I jumped into the GM ATC role to ensure I get my bonus.
DMW: TFN made me an offer I couldn't refuse. Cut the number of controllers or lose the chance of NATIONAL PARTY membership.
TFN: John Anderson appointed me to make more profit out of aviation for the government. Anyone can be a controller so just ramp up the Academy every five years or so and that will fix it. If you ATCs do as I say, then I will get a bonus and NATIONAL PARTY preselection. Don't argue just do it. I will be ok.
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Whoa there Mr Maggott sir, whoa!!
Mr Harfield is no more responsible for the current staff shortages than anyone else in the ATC [note ATC, not general] management line.
Jason was a line controller when some of the decisions wre taken that have lead to the current staffing crisis. Several [note several] EBAs have been negotiated by a certain management hit team [all 4 of whom are no longer employees of AsA] aimed at paring staff levels to the bone - NOT to get individual bonuses, but to meet the requirements stated by CEO[s] and Board members.
Don't blame Jason - and certainly don't get personal and involve his wife - blame policy established when a certain ex-gas industry manager joined the organisation back in 1998.
p.s., Mr Moderator - I am trying to be good!
Yes wonderful....now stop being a suck...can't stand sucks
Much Ado
Mr Harfield is no more responsible for the current staff shortages than anyone else in the ATC [note ATC, not general] management line.
Jason was a line controller when some of the decisions wre taken that have lead to the current staffing crisis. Several [note several] EBAs have been negotiated by a certain management hit team [all 4 of whom are no longer employees of AsA] aimed at paring staff levels to the bone - NOT to get individual bonuses, but to meet the requirements stated by CEO[s] and Board members.
Don't blame Jason - and certainly don't get personal and involve his wife - blame policy established when a certain ex-gas industry manager joined the organisation back in 1998.
p.s., Mr Moderator - I am trying to be good!
Yes wonderful....now stop being a suck...can't stand sucks
Much Ado
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I am not having a go at his wife, just the perks he has wrangled for himself, which his wife enjoys, during his rapid and favoured rise from ADSO to GM in so short a time with so little ATC experience at the expense of his 'mates'.
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Well.......time has come to retire the name.......
En-rooter is leaving the building!!
Quite a few of you will be pleased I'm sure
(not least of all Dicky boy, seeya Bud)
Straws that broke the camels back:
The continual f_cking whinge from the ops-room not being backed up by action. (actually listened to my own whinging and made myself sick
)
The inability of line controllers to draw a line in the sand (with a perfect opportunity, the perfect storm!) and make the current management pay for their incompetence and greed.
And best of all........ hearing that Sydney ATC's want another increment on top of everybody else (fix your colleagues bullsh!t 14 increment ride to the top of FPC, yes the bloke or girl sitting beside you) because the poor dears can't afford to live on the water anymore.
Seeyas all.
En-rooter is leaving the building!!
Quite a few of you will be pleased I'm sure
(not least of all Dicky boy, seeya Bud
)Straws that broke the camels back:
The continual f_cking whinge from the ops-room not being backed up by action. (actually listened to my own whinging and made myself sick
)The inability of line controllers to draw a line in the sand (with a perfect opportunity, the perfect storm!) and make the current management pay for their incompetence and greed.
And best of all........ hearing that Sydney ATC's want another increment on top of everybody else (fix your colleagues bullsh!t 14 increment ride to the top of FPC, yes the bloke or girl sitting beside you) because the poor dears can't afford to live on the water anymore.
Seeyas all.