Mega Merged: AsA ATC staffing levels
I have already heard people saying they think we are asking for too much and as a result will stall their pay rise
If anything, the pay scale section still falls behind where we should be compared to the rest of the country. The OJTI part has merit as I am a prime example of someone who no longer holds the endorsement which causes headaches often for the rostering people. The leave hours are OK I guess.
I would have preferred some form of duty limitation framework. Even if it did not get up now, at least there is a legitimate starting point had we shown something.
It is all academic any way as the usual suspects will undermine any actual leverage we have.
If anything, the pay scale section still falls behind where we should be compared to the rest of the country. The OJTI part has merit as I am a prime example of someone who no longer holds the endorsement which causes headaches often for the rostering people. The leave hours are OK I guess.
I would have preferred some form of duty limitation framework. Even if it did not get up now, at least there is a legitimate starting point had we shown something.
It is all academic any way as the usual suspects will undermine any actual leverage we have.
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There are so many rumours flying around at the moment, what is the general gist of what is being asked for? I have heard as low as 3.5% to 15%?????? Will we have to sacrifice conditions for a better wage?
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There is no new CA. AsA have offered nothing and are not even ready to proceed with negotiations.
To the rest of the controllers asking questions here, why not get on the civilair website and check it out for yourselves, FFS. All your questions, opinions and thoughts have been voiced there.
Plazbot, AsA have absolutely no interest in introducing a regulatory framework for hours worked. Try the other extreme - they will do everything this time around to have POR's removed and work solely on FAID.
CASA are the ones who need to introduce that sort of arrangement and their theory of "Outcome based legislation" (see p58 May/June Flight Safety) is just another way for them to sit on their hands and do nothing until someone f@rks up. They are a disgrace. CASA essentially says "You tell us what you think you need to do and if it looks ok, we won't argue" ie. open slather for companies to write what they want and word it how they want as long as it looks legally kosher.
There is no new CA. AsA have offered nothing and are not even ready to proceed with negotiations.
To the rest of the controllers asking questions here, why not get on the civilair website and check it out for yourselves, FFS. All your questions, opinions and thoughts have been voiced there.
Plazbot, AsA have absolutely no interest in introducing a regulatory framework for hours worked. Try the other extreme - they will do everything this time around to have POR's removed and work solely on FAID.
CASA are the ones who need to introduce that sort of arrangement and their theory of "Outcome based legislation" (see p58 May/June Flight Safety) is just another way for them to sit on their hands and do nothing until someone f@rks up. They are a disgrace. CASA essentially says "You tell us what you think you need to do and if it looks ok, we won't argue" ie. open slather for companies to write what they want and word it how they want as long as it looks legally kosher.
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To the rest of the controllers asking questions here, why not get on the civilair website and check it out for yourselves, FFS. All your questions, opinions and thoughts have been voiced there.
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Do you believe that Civilair can deliver?
dsham, are you for real? Read the document.
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Do you believe that Civilair can deliver?
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The post above by dsham makes me wonder. But honestly, in this forum who knows? Exactly why I make the point.... again.
If you want to discuss something with the rest of the aviation community, by all means post away. If you want a discussion amongst controllers then...
If you want to discuss something with the rest of the aviation community, by all means post away. If you want a discussion amongst controllers then...
The civil air forum is a horses arse. Not only is there wind filled hollow chest thumping that is never ever backed up but I can't make the friggn thing work any more with the new log in system.
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Hello all,
Just a thought: the proposed CA may look very very optimistic, but here's a point.
If you deduct the composite part of the salary, we qualified, professional, understaffed controllers fit in somewhere between a bricklayer and a plumber on the true wages scale. Think about that, the proposed CA would put us back where we should be.
To those who think we're doing well at the moment: get your 10 year old to show you the maths, it's that simple.
Only question is are we really gonna hang out the white flag... again?
Just a thought: the proposed CA may look very very optimistic, but here's a point.
If you deduct the composite part of the salary, we qualified, professional, understaffed controllers fit in somewhere between a bricklayer and a plumber on the true wages scale. Think about that, the proposed CA would put us back where we should be.
To those who think we're doing well at the moment: get your 10 year old to show you the maths, it's that simple.
Only question is are we really gonna hang out the white flag... again?
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get your 10 year old to show you the maths
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Plazbot,
Get off your ar$E, ring Civilair and sort out your internet access. When is that bag of rocks you keep chucking going to run out? It is actually your name with a fullstop between your first and last name then your password. Don't try to use your disguised user name.It will come up when you post Sorry can't help you with your password, its supposed to be secret. (Like your use of the Mt Cootha dunnies.)
Get off your ar$E, ring Civilair and sort out your internet access. When is that bag of rocks you keep chucking going to run out? It is actually your name with a fullstop between your first and last name then your password. Don't try to use your disguised user name.It will come up when you post Sorry can't help you with your password, its supposed to be secret. (Like your use of the Mt Cootha dunnies.)
Setting up cameras trying to catch trafficx2.
re: web site. I have emailed and had my password reset. It worked then when i logged out, it no longer worked and it says that name.lastname is not a registered user.
What ever.
re: web site. I have emailed and had my password reset. It worked then when i logged out, it no longer worked and it says that name.lastname is not a registered user.
What ever.
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The controller's friend, Dick Smith, on ABC local radio in Brisbane today saying what a travesty it was that Airservices cannot even provide an ATC service between Sydney and Brisbane any more due staff shortages. Apparently last Saturday afternoon all classes of airspace were TIBA from 45N of SY to abeam Coffs. And then later on that night from Coffs to south of Brisbane. His solution, (wait for it) if we can't attract enough controllers we should pay them more. Sign this bloke up!
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Any alignment of Mr Smith's and Civilair's agendas are temporary at best, and only exist because of a perceived advantage by Mr Smith. His real agenda will not be realised until a later date, as with everything he does.
Everyone who has sided with this man comes unstuck. One day you agree with him and the next your previous correspondence to him is posted on this website with the accompanying rhetoric.
ATC and Civilair should fight this battle alone. Civilair do not need him to fight this battle. Current union hierarchy should contact the previous few union presidents to receive advice on Mr Smith's methods and the lengths he will go to when his agendas do not align with others.
Everyone who has sided with this man comes unstuck. One day you agree with him and the next your previous correspondence to him is posted on this website with the accompanying rhetoric.
ATC and Civilair should fight this battle alone. Civilair do not need him to fight this battle. Current union hierarchy should contact the previous few union presidents to receive advice on Mr Smith's methods and the lengths he will go to when his agendas do not align with others.
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