I haven't heard anything more about an announcement timeline but it obviously now isn't today!
I did get sent a list of routes based on their slots at BHX and MAN though, just trying to find out if it's OK to post it. |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11192330)
I haven't heard anything more about an announcement timeline but it obviously now isn't today!
I did get sent a list of routes based on their slots at BHX and MAN though, just trying to find out if it's OK to post it. These are different from the normal pattern of training flights which operate e.g BHX-LPL-CWL-BHX. Today's non-ops all had BEExxT flight numbers. |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11192341)
FR24 was showing 4 local sorties (BHX-BHX) for this morning none of which seems to have happened. Perhaps press demo flights?
These are different from the normal pattern of training flights which operate e.g BHX-LPL-CWL-BHX. Today's non-ops all had BEExxT flight numbers. |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 11192350)
A number of circuits flown at BHX this morning.
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DH8D
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 11192359)
That will teach me for taking FR24 at face value!
In the end all six actually operated but 5 without a callsign on FR24, which I think confused it and it certainly did on one of the local arrivals site which only showed the one operating with the flight number and still does. In the meantime nothing bookable on the EI website for BHD - BHX, MAN etc from the end of March. BHX - BHD is offered at the end of March on Loganair and BA - I jest not BHX-ABZ-LHR-BHD :eek: Pete |
Having a bit of a bleak thought... are Flybe definitely going to launch ? One of the first lessons in finance is not to get emotionally involved and ignore what's already been spent. When appraising a project, ignore what's already happened as it can't be changed; think only of what cash needs to be committed in the future, and what return you expect on that yet-to-be-committed cash. If you expect a project to be a loss maker, it may be better just not to start the project at all and hand money back to lenders and investors... aka cut your losses instead of sinking further. A hedge fund will likely be very much aware of this concept
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11192765)
Having a bit of a bleak thought... are Flybe definitely going to launch ? One of the first lessons in finance is not to get emotionally involved and ignore what's already been spent. When appraising a project, ignore what's already happened as it can't be changed; think only of what cash needs to be committed in the future, and what return you expect on that yet-to-be-committed cash. If you expect a project to be a loss maker, it may be better just not to start the project at all and hand money back to lenders and investors... aka cut your losses instead of sinking further. A hedge fund will likely be very much aware of this concept
Hope for the sake of all those who have taken up employment with them that we're wrong. |
Why oh why oh why does this daily nonsense have to continue. None of you know what's happening. For christs sake stop speculating and WAIT
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Originally Posted by bean
(Post 11192819)
Why oh why oh why does this daily nonsense have to continue. None of you know what's happening. For christs sake stop speculating and WAIT
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 11192765)
..are Flybe definitely going to launch ?
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Guys guys guys keep your hair on. This is a RUMOUR network. Its not the gospel word of god. Its a talking shop for ideas, thoughts, notions, rumours and ruminating. What will be will be with Flybe.
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Originally Posted by Alteagod
(Post 11192982)
Guys guys guys keep your hair on. This is a RUMOUR network. Its not the gospel word of god. Its a talking shop for ideas, thoughts, notions, rumours and ruminating. What will be will be with Flybe.
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Post No 1342...................This thread is now akin to airline passengers who, when given the reason for the delay to their flight, proceed to tell friends, family and media that they were never given any information. What they actually mean is ‘I was not told what I wanted to hear!’
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Originally Posted by Local Variation
(Post 11192999)
Think the recent points being made are that the rumours and speculation in here have an underlying negative repetitive theme to them.
All the previous press releases talk of a launch in early 2022, so when nothing has been heard from BE by the start of March, hardly surprising that there is comment/speculation Flybe will serve key regions across the UK and EU with operations scheduled to begin in early 2022. |
The update I was given based on the slot information is below. I guess the start date plus any of the stuff below could easily change. On top of the health warning that this can and probably will change, this only covers flying at slot constrained UK airports so omits plans to fly between airports that aren't slot restricted. So if BHD-LPL, BHD-CWL etc etc are in the plan, they won't be listed here.
Birmingham-Paris CDG 1 x daily from 31 March (covering a W pattern also) Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March Birmingham-Edinburgh 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August and to 4 x daily from 15 September Birmingham-Glasgow 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August Birmingham-Isle of Man 1 x daily from 18 August Birmingham-Jersey 1 x weekly (Saturday) from 9 July to 17 September Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August Manchester-Southampton 2 x daily from 21 July |
Originally Posted by Albert Hall
(Post 11193024)
The update I was given based on the slot information is below. I guess the start date plus any of the stuff below could easily change. On top of the health warning that this can and probably will change, this only covers flying at slot constrained UK airports so omits plans to fly between airports that aren't slot restricted. So if BHD-LPL, BHD-CWL etc etc are in the plan, they won't be listed here.
Birmingham-Paris CDG 1 x daily from 31 March (covering a W pattern also) Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March - Emerald (details tbc) + easyJet to BFS Birmingham-Edinburgh 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August and to 4 x daily from 15 September - easyJet Birmingham-Glasgow 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August - easyJet Birmingham-Isle of Man 1 x daily from 18 August - Loganair Birmingham-Jersey 1 x weekly (Saturday) from 9 July to 17 September - Blue Islands and Jet2 Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August - Emerald (details tbc) + easyJet to BFS Manchester-Southampton 2 x daily from 21 July - Eastern Also, as per my bold comments in the quote, that's a lot of competition straight from the off... |
There are far more qualified folk on this forum than I to work this out, but can the schedule provided by 'Albert Hall' be covered by the following?
G-JEJX Currently undertaking training flights G-JECY Currently at EXT (Since 07 Jan on mx before being registered 10 Feb - Not flown since) G-JECP Currently at Wheeze since 15 Jun 20. Now in new Flybe Livery (Not yet registered) |
I also thought it was more than likely to be CDG-SOU but didn't have any basis beyond my thoughts on which to suggest it. And yes this does seem to be picking a fight in almost every possible direction.
Apparently they've been rather crass in managing their slots by trying to disguise what they're up to but using the old Flybe flight numbers for each new route which then makes their plans pretty obvious. If they wanted secrecy then that's a schoolboy error. |
Given the slot waivers that have been in place due to COVID, couldn’t they just be holding their historic slots in the same way as they have since the Administration?
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing around to keep us all guessing. |
Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun
(Post 11193072)
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing around to keep us all guessing.
It's realtively easy to fake some minor detail in a system, but those who try to disguise things heavily by putting very false information in record systems usually have a hard time both covering their tracks *and* making their tracks look plausible. In other words, you can sometimes get away with one fib, but lying repeatedly in a credible way is difficult When large amounts of fake info appear, there is usually something which doesn't pass a smell test and people start asking questions There are more than enough people on this website and the Internet who will cast their eye over public airline info for a large set of porkies to remain hidden for long |
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