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Alteagod 18th Mar 2022 18:58

Couldn't agree with you more. It's as if no one told them about Covid.

Wallsendmag 18th Mar 2022 23:49


Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath (Post 11201651)
In pre-COVID times, the routes from SOU to various destinations in northern England and Scotland were frequently very busy, with a large number of business users, together with a fair bit of Ďfriends and familiesí traffic.
To travel from the south coast to the north by rail involves journey times which are much, much longer than from London. For example, day return travel by rail from London to Manchester, Leeds and even Newcastle is a realistic proposition, and rail is a very viable alternative to flying. The situation from the south coast is very different, with the extended journey times making it virtually impossible.
However, I guess we are now living in very different times and I no longer travel up and down the country for business on a regular business, and itís very difficult to see the previous level of regional domestic air travel ever returning.

I did a day return from Newcastle to London by train yesterday, left Newcastle at 0704 arrived Kings Cross at 0940 left at 1500 back into Newcastle at 1752. Simple easy and surprisingly busy.

AirportPlanner1 19th Mar 2022 00:16


Originally Posted by Wallsendmag (Post 11202083)
I did a day return from Newcastle to London by train yesterday, left Newcastle at 0704 arrived Kings Cross at 0940 left at 1500 back into Newcastle at 1752. Simple easy and surprisingly busy.

Isnít that the point being made though? Start in Fareham, or Winchester, and your 07:04 means leaving home at 05:00 or earlier and back at 20:00 or later?

SealinkBF 19th Mar 2022 12:24


Originally Posted by Wallsendmag (Post 11202083)
I did a day return from Newcastle to London by train yesterday, left Newcastle at 0704 arrived Kings Cross at 0940 left at 1500 back into Newcastle at 1752. Simple easy and surprisingly busy.

London trains are fine - the issue I have with trains these days is the insane fares charged by the likes of CrossCountry from my neck of the woods to Birmingham, Manchester and Newcastle.

tigertanaka 20th Mar 2022 11:13


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11202092)
Isn’t that the point being made though? Start in Fareham, or Winchester, and your 07:04 means leaving home at 05:00 or earlier and back at 20:00 or later?

I live in the North East and recently needed to go to Portsmouth for a business meeting.

Air: £321 (day return NCL-SOU, an hour each way)

Road: £120 in fuel plus (as it is not possible to do this in a day) another £150 for a hotel and food/drinks. This also means 12 hours driving where I can’t do any work.

Rail: £246 was the cheapest option for the early morning train to Portsmouth and a fixed return coming back (can work on the train but not keen on a fixed return when it’s a work trip). I would not have had enough time in Portsmouth before travelling home so I would have had to spend another £150 on an overnight stay.

Plane was expensive but in this case, not needing an overnight stay meant that it was very much value for money.

ATNotts 20th Mar 2022 11:33


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 11202301)
London trains are fine - the issue I have with trains these days is the insane fares charged by the likes of CrossCountry from my neck of the woods to Birmingham, Manchester and Newcastle.

Not to mention the time cross country trains take. Norwich to Liverpool on EMR takes so long it almost requires a sleeping car!! OK, I exaggerate a tad!

CabinCrewe 20th Mar 2022 23:22

is it Tue or Wed the launch of routes- The ones we know and more than likely some more of the predictable same?

allan1987 20th Mar 2022 23:39


Originally Posted by CabinCrewe (Post 11202949)
is it Tue or Wed the launch of routes- The ones we know and more than likely some more of the predictable same?

Tue 22 launch of routes and website

Remains to be seen if BHD-LHR and LBA-LHR will be code shared with BA or VS/DL/AF




EI-BUD 21st Mar 2022 00:36

It seems incredible that Flybe would enter BHD-LHR in competition with IAG. I just doesn't add up, the only weapon they'll have is price. Though BHD is the base, BFS would surely be more niche for them offering something different. They could differentiate with a BFS route and I'm sure that airport would support that. The stats from EI being at BFS show that LHR was around 15-20K passengers per month. Might have made more sense to station an aircraft there and share a Belfast crew pool.

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SotonFlightpath 21st Mar 2022 14:45


Originally Posted by Wallsendmag (Post 11202083)
I did a day return from Newcastle to London by train yesterday, left Newcastle at 0704 arrived Kings Cross at 0940 left at 1500 back into Newcastle at 1752. Simple easy and surprisingly busy.

That's exactly the problem, it's easy to travel quickly and efficiently up and down the country to and from London, but from Southampton it's very different proposition. A journey from Kings Cross to Newcastle in two and three-quarter hours is fine. But from Southampton, it's another hour and a half to Waterloo by train, and around half an hour minimum to cross London, with all the faff of getting off at Waterloo, getting down to the tube, the tube journey etc and getting into Kings Cross. This means an equivalent Journey from Southampton to Newcastle is often around 5-6 hours - too long for a day trip. It was just an hour on Flybe when I used to fly.

NorthEasterner 21st Mar 2022 20:01


Originally Posted by SotonFlightpath (Post 11203306)
That's exactly the problem, it's easy to travel quickly and efficiently up and down the country to and from London, but from Southampton it's very different proposition. A journey from Kings Cross to Newcastle in two and three-quarter hours is fine. But from Southampton, it's another hour and a half to Waterloo by train, and around half an hour minimum to cross London, with all the faff of getting off at Waterloo, getting down to the tube, the tube journey etc and getting into Kings Cross. This means an equivalent Journey from Southampton to Newcastle is often around 5-6 hours - too long for a day trip. It was just an hour on Flybe when I used to fly.

When Flybe had the NCL-SOU route it was 3-4 daily. A lot of traffic from business / commuters, VFR, cruise pax and of course Flybeís offering of onward connections.

It would be great to see Flybe back on south coast routes from NCL such as SOU and EXT.


jmdavies86 21st Mar 2022 20:19


Originally Posted by NorthEasterner (Post 11203481)
It would be great to see Flybe back on south coast routes from NCL such as SOU and EXT.

Loganair serves both SOU and EXT from NCL, plus they're due to begin flights to/from MME on 1st April, so the North East market is pretty much covered already.

Sure they [Flybe] would have 20+ additional seats by using a Dash 8 compared to Loganair's ERJs, however I really can't see how both carriers could possibly survive if they were to start operating on the same route at the same time.

Fly757X 21st Mar 2022 23:23

Routes on website
 
Well here they areÖ




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Downwind_Left 21st Mar 2022 23:45

Wow.

I arrived at BHD on Friday, on the ground were 3 BA190s, 1 BA320 and 2 EI320s. Nothing else. Belfast City used to be a sea of purple, but itís now dominated by IAG in blue and green.

I donít think IAG are going to roll over and play dead in Belfast.

Plus flybe now have easyJet on the London LGW route from BHD, as well as serving LGW, LTN and STN from BFS. Tough market. Good luck.

brian_dromey 21st Mar 2022 23:58

AMS, BHD and LBA from LHR. That will be interesting! AMS could be brilliant or shocking. I would have guessed there were better routes without so much competition - GLA, EDI or SOU spring to mind, but lets see.

What strikes me is that the ramp-up is swift, I hope their crewing and training can sustain it and their network will be quite complex with a lot of W patterns and shuttling of crews all over the UK. As I understand it crews are based at BHD or BHX? While I think the goal is sensible and flyBe certainly do have to achieve a lot in a short window, I hope their operation has the resilience and operational integrity v1.0 was not exactly known for.

Rivet Joint 22nd Mar 2022 00:03

Utter madness. Did they learn nothing from the previous incarnationís scattergun approach?

I have to confess I was a bit annoyed by all the negativity on this thread which I thought was a bit premature giving the fact little was known but I have to say they were all right. This lot are absolutely clueless! A solitary 1 daily route from SOU and two weekly flights? An airport which was one of the biggest bases and has literally no real competition to speak of on nearly all its busy routes and yet the are totally focused on BHD and BHX where there is much competition not to mention a newly launched Emerald opening at the former. I mean AMS to EMA? Really??

Donít get me started on the LHR routes as well, even a child could tell you 70 odd seaters wonít and never have made money there. Iím lost for wordsÖ.

Skipness One Foxtrot 22nd Mar 2022 00:12

AMS, LBA and BHD to Heathrow. Belfast has BOTH of EI and BA, Amsterdam has BA and KLM!
Might as well set fire to whatever capital they have, this is a dumpster fire of an idea. The charging regime at LHR makes it almost impossible to make money on a Q400 without additional support.

Downwind_Left 22nd Mar 2022 00:30


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11203608)
AMS, LBA and BHD to Heathrow. Belfast has BOTH of EI and BA, Amsterdam has BA and KLM!
Might as well set fire to whatever capital they have, this is a dumpster fire of an idea. The charging regime at LHR makes it almost impossible to make money on a Q400 without additional support.

I think Flybe have a confused Jesus complex. We are back/we are a new company.

Sadly for them the market has continued to fly. Just not with them. They wonít flock back unless itís really cheap, in the main.

Wish them the best, but these routes are what Eastern or Loganair could have come up with 2 years ago. And chose not to.
Or a battle with IAG to see who has the deepest pockets (IAG have)


mwm991 22nd Mar 2022 01:16

It's not complicated. The previous model was unprofitable and the scraps that actually made money were hoovered up by other airlines. Disaster in the making. Even the routes like LBA to LHR where there is probably a gap in the market is nothing without the BA codeshare. Someone has lots of money to lose.

pabely 22nd Mar 2022 02:20

EZY will be shaking at the knees with competition from Brum to Scotland, good for the punters but it won't last.
Anyone who has just taken a job offer with the Airline, continue getting your CV out there.


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