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Skipness One Foxtrot 23rd Feb 2022 19:48


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11188865)
Ba318. It's because i have a well functioning mind that i'm able to judge m8ndlessnes very well
This site is the proffessiom pilots rumour networlk. There is very little news or rumour posted here. I'm not going to rehash my previous comments Just look in the mirror

You failed to even spell "professional" and "network". So get off your high horse, truth be told GDPR does have some grey areas, and any complaint may well succeed. Having had to deal with the legislation, we always erred on the side of caution, these guys have not. That's not to say I think they're breaking the rules, that's to say only the lawyers will win in the end if a case is raised.

TartinTon 23rd Feb 2022 21:07


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11188921)
You failed to even spell "professional" and "network". So get off your high horse, truth be told GDPR does have some grey areas, and any complaint may well succeed. Having had to deal with the legislation, we always erred on the side of caution, these guys have not. That's not to say I think they're breaking the rules, that's to say only the lawyers will win in the end if a case is raised.

Rubbish. They've inherited a database and have done the right thing by not sending unsolicited messaging but ASKING if the recipients wish to receive anything or want to opt out. Nothing wrong with that.

SWBKCB 23rd Feb 2022 23:21

"Inherited"? How quaint. Thought they were a fresh start, totally seperate entity?

Might actually be worth reading what was said at #1280

Skipness One Foxtrot 24th Feb 2022 01:05


Originally Posted by TartinTon (Post 11188966)
Rubbish. They've inherited a database and have done the right thing by not sending unsolicited messaging but ASKING if the recipients wish to receive anything or want to opt out. Nothing wrong with that.

Do they have consent to market? No.
Can they ask? Grey area, it's not "rubbish", it's just not super clear what's "reasonable". IMHO and presumably their lawyers, it's legal but it's not good practice and among data marketeers it's rightly frowned upon. It's basically a cold email from a bankrupt business from two years ago who may well owe you money (except it's an all new business when it suits them to be and legally they don't)!

https://www.nibusinessinfo.co.uk/con...ting-databases
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-s...dpr-i-chu-chao

davidjohnson6 24th Feb 2022 20:56

Oil prices have jumped a fair bit today, and quiet news days aren't on the immediate horizon

TartinTon 25th Feb 2022 13:25


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11189045)
"Inherited"? How quaint. Thought they were a fresh start, totally seperate entity?

Might actually be worth reading what was said at #1280

They are. It just happens that they bought some liquidated assets from the administrators including the marketing database. If they were called Brum air would your opinion be the same? They clealy feel there is some value in the brand and that's why they've bought it.

SWBKCB 25th Feb 2022 14:28

Yes - its not the name I've got an issue with, but the way the situation has been engineered to get out of paying the money they owe. Yes, I know it's legal, yes I know it business but doesn't make it right.

The flip flopping between "Hey, we are back" and "no connection, fresh start" when it suits is just irritating in the grand scheme of things.

RogueOne 26th Feb 2022 12:31


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11190222)
...but the way the situation has been engineered to get out of paying the money they owe. Yes, I know it's legal, yes I know it business but doesn't make it right.

The flip flopping between "Hey, we are back" and "no connection, fresh start" when it suits is just irritating in the grand scheme of things.

...to get out of paying the money they owe?? := Fbe Realisations Ltd (Old Flybe) owe the money. Not this newly named Flybe (Old Thyme Opco Ltd) But yes, they engineered a global pandemic to go out of business and make thousands redundant.

https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

All Thyme Opco did was purchase the Flybe name, and a bit of intellectual property. There was no airline. They had to create one. It's a brand new entity. New AOC, new approvals, new licenses.

..and whilst you might wax lyrically about the owner/investor of the Flybe1 v Flybe2... let's not forget what year they actually bought Flybe1 (along with Stobart and Virgin) and the shitshow they inherited, after decades of incompetence. The damage had been done by then.

But carry on grinding that axe.

SWBKCB 26th Feb 2022 13:04


But carry on grinding that axe.
Yes - will do, and you just read again what you've just written...

UnderASouthernSky 26th Feb 2022 16:36


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11190853)
...to get out of paying the money they owe?? := Fbe Realisations Ltd (Old Flybe) owe the money. Not this newly named Flybe (Old Thyme Opco Ltd) But yes, they engineered a global pandemic to go out of business and make thousands redundant.

https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

All Thyme Opco did was purchase the Flybe name, and a bit of intellectual property. There was no airline. They had to create one. It's a brand new entity. New AOC, new approvals, new licenses.

..and whilst you might wax lyrically about the owner/investor of the Flybe1 v Flybe2... let's not forget what year they actually bought Flybe1 (along with Stobart and Virgin) and the shitshow they inherited, after decades of incompetence. The damage had been done by then.

But carry on grinding that axe.

Many people would be surprised to hear anyone think that the pandemic was the reason for Flybe1 to go out of business.

Skipness One Foxtrot 26th Feb 2022 18:38


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11190853)
All Thyme Opco did was purchase the Flybe name, and a bit of intellectual property. There was no airline. They had to create one. It's a brand new entity. New AOC, new approvals, new licenses.

In insolation you're 100% correct. Legally and technically right. But let's add some details.
They also seem to have bought the LHR slots which given the charging regime will be nigh on impossible to turn a profit on. The name they bought was a failed business which collapsed in a mess owing a lot of people money they'll never see. So it's a fair criticism to say that's maybe a mistake. Any other name and we'd not be having this conversation. Add to the fact the new flybe are marketing this, in their words as a "return" and a "relaunch". So they're trying to have this both ways. It's that bit I am finding somewhat dishonest and disreputable. Making deals on the one hand with out of pocket handling agents and airports saying "we're all brand new and no relation to old flybe" and then saying to the public "look it's flybe, we're back again".

It leaves a bad taste.

kcockayne 26th Feb 2022 19:54


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11191030)
In insolation you're 100% correct. Legally and technically right. But let's add some details.
They also seem to have bought the LHR slots which given the charging regime will be nigh on impossible to turn a profit on. The name they bought was a failed business which collapsed in a mess owing a lot of people money they'll never see. So it's a fair criticism to say that's maybe a mistake. Any other name and we'd not be having this conversation. Add to the fact the new flybe are marketing this, in their words as a "return" and a "relaunch". So they're trying to have this both ways. It's that bit I am finding somewhat dishonest and disreputable. Making deals on the one hand with out of pocket handling agents and airports saying "we're all brand new and no relation to old flybe" and then saying to the public "look it's flybe, we're back again".

It leaves a bad taste.

Can't find anything to criticise in what Skipness has said. All very underhand by the "new Flybe", in my opinion.

Gurnard 26th Feb 2022 22:07


Originally Posted by kcockayne (Post 11191064)
Can't find anything to criticise in what Skipness has said. All very underhand by the "new Flybe", in my opinion.

I endorse those comments too. Nothing against those who are seeking employment in aviation in these difficult times, but Skipness has hit the nail on the head perfectly.

jethro15 26th Feb 2022 22:45

1321 posts on this subject. Then:

"Making deals on the one hand with out of pocket handling agents and airports saying "we're all brand new and no relation to old flybe" and then saying to the public "look it's flybe, we're back again"
Sums this whole thread in a nutshell!

One thing I do not understand, (Please forgive my ignorance) Is why the insistence of keeping the amended 'Purple' a/c livery? Brand new airline, but relying on our predecessors brand....Odd

Jamesair1 27th Feb 2022 10:00

They must have calculated that it has a commercial or marketing value.

Wallsendmag 27th Feb 2022 10:36

Shouldn't there be a new FlyBE2 thread linked to the old one in a loose way?

ATNotts 27th Feb 2022 10:43

Better might be those who disagree with the way UK corporate law works and wish to use this thread to vent their frustration about it open a Jet Blast thread to do so?

bean 27th Feb 2022 13:06


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11191405)
Better might be those who disagree with the way UK corporate law works and wish to use this thread to vent their frustration about it open a Jet Blast thread to do so?

Well said. Same repetetive nonsense over, and over, and over again

GeekPilot 27th Feb 2022 14:26

Agree. Take the twaddle to JB and let the adults talk here. Or rename this thread “Flybe Realisations Ltd” and we’ll have a new thread called Flybe.

Maybe if people say it again it’ll get through some thick skulls. So many agendas here.

davidjohnson6 28th Feb 2022 16:19


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11187138)
I'm hearing that a Flybe announcement should be before month end but probably not this week - so that rather points towards Monday 28th! In the same snippet, I'd also heard there was some issue with the Heathrow slots but don't profess to know exactly what.

Albert - do you happen to know the new date for the Flybe announcement ? I can't see anything on Google - I'm guessing that if Flybe had made an announcement, this would have been picked up somewhere. No, I'm not trying to be snarky - just would like to know when to keep an eye on the press for a Flybe announcement


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