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Winston Fumble 12th Mar 2022 15:31

I sincerely hope for those who’ve already been recruited, the airline actually starts operating very soon, there must a huge amount of cash flowing out of the coffers at present, one assumes the owners must have very deep pockets. Good luck.

Jamesair1 12th Mar 2022 16:27

Whether the start date is April/May, they need to get on with announcing routes and getting reservations in, otherwise they will be flying a lot of empty planes around and draining the coffers

BusterHot 13th Mar 2022 18:00

Flymaybe 2.0

BA318 13th Mar 2022 18:28

Rumours online tonight that they will announce Leeds-London Heathrow. Even BA dropped that in a time when they were slot sitting a lot of routes.

allan1987 13th Mar 2022 19:42


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11199386)
Rumours online tonight that they will announce Leeds-London Heathrow. Even BA dropped that in a time when they were slot sitting a lot of routes.

looks to be BHD-LHR, BHD-LBA and LHR-LBA!

Sharklet7 13th Mar 2022 20:57


Originally Posted by allan1987 (Post 11199417)
looks to be BHD-LHR, BHD-LBA and LHR-LBA!

On BHD to LHR Given the competition and capacity provided by Aer Lingus and British Airways, is there demand or scope for a third operator on the route?

Skipness One Foxtrot 13th Mar 2022 21:32

The ONLY reason BA flew LHR-LBA was to connect to long haul. Flying a Q400 into LHR with no BA codeshare with the cost regime at LHR vs. rail is insane. If this is true, it's desperate stuff.

willy wombat 13th Mar 2022 23:44

IF these are true it would confirm my often stated opinion that Flybe 2 is very much a slot play.

BHD2BFS 14th Mar 2022 00:38

Seems like a big risk to go against BA and EI on what is their territory. They would need to have a lot of code shares. I'm sure most passengers travelling to LHR have a lot of luggage that could be very restrictive on a Dash. And for those business passengers im sure they would much rather the comfort of an Airbus

Skipness One Foxtrot 14th Mar 2022 01:05


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 11199505)
IF these are true it would confirm my often stated opinion that Flybe 2 is very much a slot play.

100% this. Lot of people being taken for a ride here, they're simply going to damage BA and EI with no business case to make money on their own then drop both routes as soon as they can flog off the slots.

Alteagod 14th Mar 2022 08:15

And in disruption they have no agreement with BA to swop passengers onto BA. Its a cynical slot game. Those slots are worth so much more than the revenue from 20 or 30 passengers per flight.

biddedout 14th Mar 2022 09:38


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11199536)
100% this. Lot of people being taken for a ride here, they're simply going to damage BA and EI with no business case to make money on their own then drop both routes as soon as they can flog off the slots.

I don't see how it affects EI, these are UK domestic routes. Why is it so unreasonable for a UK carriers to apply for and hold slots into the major UK hub, just like domestic carriers are able to link into the global hubs in other Countries. Why is this always seen as some kind of underhand Scam?

Asturias56 14th Mar 2022 10:10

Because a) these slot shave real value and b) they're used to support anti-competitive behaviour

BA318 14th Mar 2022 10:15


Originally Posted by biddedout (Post 11199621)
I don't see how it affects EI, these are UK domestic routes. Why is it so unreasonable for a UK carriers to apply for and hold slots into the major UK hub, just like domestic carriers are able to link into the global hubs in other Countries. Why is this always seen as some kind of underhand Scam?

EI operate from Belfast to London and have done for years.

biddedout 14th Mar 2022 10:21

True but surely this should now be done by EI (UK) using their own crews in G- reg machines controlled from their UK subsidiary.

Shamrock350 14th Mar 2022 11:21


Originally Posted by biddedout (Post 11199641)
True but surely this should now be done by EI (UK) using their own crews in G- reg machines controlled from their UK subsidiary.

Aer Lingus have seemingly found a workaround for this. When the rules changed on 1 January 2020, the BHD-LHR service was allowed to continue on certain EI registered aircraft as a wet lease with British Airways. They were even able to step in following the collapse of Stobart and have continued to operate domestically from BHD to LHR, MAN and EDI.

Aer Lingus is either still operating this wet lease for British Airways at BHD or has found a more permanent solution without having to re-register some of their A320s. We can assume this same deal will be in place for Emerald until they secure their UK AOC later in the year.

Ryanair was caught out trying to use this same Ďflag of convenienceí tactic with their Ryanair UK subsidiary. The problem for Ryanair was they planned to have just a token aircraft registered to the UK and would then wet lease the remaining aircraft from its other subsidiaries. This meant the majority of RUK flying was under foreign registered aircraft, the CAA put a stop to it.

Aer Lingus didnít have this problem wet leasing to British Airways because it didnít impact the majority of BA flying.

bean 14th Mar 2022 12:19

OH I GIVE UP!!!!!
Easyjet operate Austrian registered aircraft in and out of the UK on a regular basis. They also used Easyjet Swiss aircrafr before and since Brexit.
Who cares anyway

The96er 14th Mar 2022 12:23


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11199707)
OH I GIVE UP!!!!!
Easyjet operate Austrian registered aircraft in and out of the UK on a regular basis. They also used Easyjet Swiss aircrafr before and since Brexit.
Who cares anyway

EasyJet Europe/Swiss do not operate UK - UK or UK to non EU routes. Thatís the difference.

TartinTon 14th Mar 2022 12:25


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 11199536)
100% this. Lot of people being taken for a ride here, they're simply going to damage BA and EI with no business case to make money on their own then drop both routes as soon as they can flog off the slots.

Give me strength...I'll say this slowly so the hard of thinking can get it....They can't sell the slots. I'll say that again....They can't sell the slots. That's right, the slots are not and never will be theirs to sell as they are remedy slots and would be returned to BA.

They can, however, be held onto and utilised and become part of the enterprise value to any prospective buyer of the company.

Get the picture now?

bean 14th Mar 2022 12:32


Originally Posted by The96er (Post 11199709)
EasyJet Europe/Swiss do not operate UK - UK or UK to non EU routes. Thatís the difference.

WRONG
Easyjet Swiss can operate any Easyjet route with their aircraft. When it arrives in the UK from Switzerland can operate 2 sectors on behalf 9f Easyjet UK or Easyjet Europe. The costs are picked up by whichever Easyjet company is the lessee


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