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mart901 22nd Feb 2022 20:55


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11188406)
More complaints about Flybe emailing people. https://twitter.com/CBridge_Chief/st...THi_i5ZTJzkfLA

this time because they don’t appear to have an EU nominated rep.

To be fair I think they just need to grow up. My inbox is flooded daily with rubbish, spam, scam emails probably like a lot of people. Hit delete and get on with life seriously.

I for one am glad to see BE coming back, naturally a bit sceptical given the amount of failures in the industry but genuinely believe there's room for them and a market for regional flying that hasn't been fully covered by other airlines since their demise.
Wish them well and I'll give them some business if the routes and prices suit.

Albert Hall 22nd Feb 2022 21:07

Jamie, your posts sound like a rant against IAG for reasons that won't be immediately obvious to most. From what I hear, Flybe has managed to screw up the Heathrow slots and I would not be at all surprised if IAG/BA are going bananas about it. I don't know the full ins and outs of the affair - but isn't it rather better to get your own glasshouse in order before throwing stones?

Jamie2009 22nd Feb 2022 21:43


Originally Posted by mart901 (Post 11188416)
I for one am glad to see BE coming back, naturally a bit sceptical given the amount of failures in the industry but genuinely believe there's room for them and a market for regional flying that hasn't been fully covered by other airlines since their demise.
Wish them well and I'll give them some business if the routes and prices suit.

Good to hear and I'm sure you'll find out more about Flybe's new services in the not to distant future.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Feb 2022 22:11


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11188376)
Sorry but that sounds like b*llocks - do BE really think they are going to top of the news cycle, even on a quiet day? The percentage of the public that will be flying with them is tiny, but they need to be engaging with those potential passengers and not alienating them

I think you don’t understand my point, or how these things work. I didn’t say ‘top’, that’s clear in black and white. It’s absolutely not implausible the resurrection of Flybe could make it onto the front page of the BBC news app. But that’s not the most valuable bit…it’s the things that go with it. The couple of minutes interviewed on LBC and Today, the discussion on 5live. Free publicity, national reach. It’s these that are being squeezed out at the moment by other events.

SWBKCB 22nd Feb 2022 22:19

And while you wait for your five minutes in the sun, you are missing out on the guys who need to book. And once they find an alternative, they might be gone for ever....

cavokblues 23rd Feb 2022 07:44

Interesting to read about the role of PR and having to try to predict a slow news day. It's a world I know nothing about!

What are the chances of a slow news day at the moment? Things seem to be escalating in Ukraine, once (if?) that dies down the police may come back with their findings about party gate at no 10, and you hope the Queen has a quick recovery from Covid.....

I wouldn't like to be the one deciding to pick the day to go public only to be usurped by a more newsworthy story at the last minute.....

tictack67 23rd Feb 2022 07:55


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11188462)
And while you wait for your five minutes in the sun, you are missing out on the guys who need to book. And once they find an alternative, they might be gone for ever....

I totally agree.

It's not as if much of this is alreasy a surprise; eh the name and the aircraft type.
I wish flybe2 well, but this is just giving the impression of dithering and does not instill any confidence just procastination

ATNotts 23rd Feb 2022 08:14


Originally Posted by tictack67 (Post 11188589)
I totally agree.

It's not as if much of this is a surprise already; the name and the aircraft type.

I wish flybe2 wel, but this is just giving the impression of dithering and does not instill any confidence just procastination

The thing is that the commercial aviation bubble is similar to the Westminster bubble. Outside of their own circles people are either unaware or simply don't care. When people look to book a flight they'll simply look at the options that are laid out in front of them at the time, and choose the one that is most convenient and / or cheapest. If Flybe or even Emerald are in the drop-down of options they're at the races, if they're not well the someone else gets the booking.

That means that if, for example you're headed for a wedding in Belfast you might want to book weeks, possibly months in advance and if you tried that today Flybe would lose out. If on the other hand it's a funeral then booking any more than a week in advance would be unusual. Through all of my business travelling life I only quite rarely found myself planning a trip more than 4 weeks ahead. So yes, the earlier flights are released the more likely people are to book, but most short haul flights aren't booked that far in advance. However if Flybe don't get their booking engine up and running by 1st. March expecting to start operations at the end of March would seem a little short notice.

AirportPlanner1 23rd Feb 2022 09:21


Originally Posted by cavokblues (Post 11188586)
Interesting to read about the role of PR and having to try to predict a slow news day. It's a world I know nothing about!

I wouldn't like to be the one deciding to pick the day to go public only to be usurped by a more newsworthy story at the last minute.....

No day is risk-free but risk can be managed as far as is reasonable by avoiding knowns - you wouldn’t want something out on budget day for example. It’s the same with music…January traditionally was the time to launch new acts because they’d get higher in the charts so more exposure.

BA318 23rd Feb 2022 09:31


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11188629)
No day is risk-free but risk can be managed as far as is reasonable by avoiding knowns - you wouldn’t want something out on budget day for example. It’s the same with music…January traditionally was the time to launch new acts because they’d get higher in the charts so more exposure.

Given it’s a pandemic, with the PM under police investigation, while the Monarch is ill and we are on the verge of a war in Europe they might as well just get it out there. It will be impossible to decide a day! No such thing as a slow news day at the moment.

willy wombat 23rd Feb 2022 10:12

I have never read such nonsense re PR. The launch of FlyBe 2 might get 30 seconds on national news, if you're lucky, regardless of how slow a news day it is. It should get a bit more coverage in the local news (TV/radio/print) in the relevant local areas - presumably Belfast and Birmingham. This will not be affected by national/international stories and any PR firm worth its salt would know this. Someone is peddling b******t. The single most important thing is to have flights available for sale and easily visible. The fact that they are not does not augur well for a start up in less than a month, unless part of the new business plan is to fly very empty aircraft.

cavokblues 23rd Feb 2022 11:06

As I stated earlier I know nothing about PR but I would perhaps have thought a decent PR team would be able to generate some sort of publicity in the right circles, irrespective of the news agenda? Surely, local news in Birmingham and Belfast would still pick up on an airline launch / relaunch even if tanks are rolling into Kiev?

I think the delay of announcing is probably more to do with other issues alluded to on here rather than the news cycle being quite busy.

davidjohnson6 23rd Feb 2022 11:26

If tanks are rolling into Kyiv... I think we may see something similiar happen to business travel as the Gulf War of 1991... namely a slump in demand along with a spike in the price of fuel. Neither are good for a nascent airline

Kuwait is about 6 or 7 hours flying from Birmingham. Ukraine is about 2h30 away

RogueOne 23rd Feb 2022 13:01

Hahahahaha, the state of some replies in here. Tanks rolling into Kviv, The Queen having Covid, The Downing St investigation. Emerald's AOC. GDPR bore-offs on Twitter. Heathrow slot drama.

What else can you conjure? The high price of milk means crew on strike because they can't have a cuppa at work?? No pilots because the RAF will conscript them all for WW3?? Increase risk of prop-strike after airports talk about using grassy areas for farm animal grazing to raise needed funds??

..If you're believing that the launch of Flybe is dependant on any of the above.... Turn off the TV, take off your tin foil hats and go for a walk. :}

BA318 23rd Feb 2022 13:39


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11188757)
Hahahahaha, the state of some replies in here. Tanks rolling into Kviv, The Queen having Covid, The Downing St investigation. Emerald's AOC. GDPR bore-offs on Twitter. Heathrow slot drama.

What else can you conjure? The high price of milk means crew on strike because they can't have a cuppa at work?? No pilots because the RAF will conscript them all for WW3?? Increase risk of prop-strike after airports talk about using grassy areas for farm animal grazing to raise needed funds??

..If you're believing that the launch of Flybe is dependant on any of the above.... Turn off the TV, take off your tin foil hats and go for a walk. :}

one of the excuses was that Flybe needs a clear news day. And plenty of those factors can have an effect on Flybe’s viability.

War usually has an effect on travel and subdues demand.

Emerald are a potential rival with a strong brand backing them.

GDPR rules being broken can result in fines and bad publicity early on and if they are breaking the rules it could mean they can’t use the data they have making marketing much harder.

But of course we’re told the wonder kids at Flybe are on perfect track and have everything sorted to a T with nothing to go wrong. So why worry!

ATNotts 23rd Feb 2022 13:46


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11188778)
one of the excuses was that Flybe needs a clear news day. And plenty of those factors can have an effect on Flybe’s viability.

GDPR rules being broken can result in fines and bad publicity early on and if they are breaking the rules it could mean they can’t use the data they have making marketing much harder.

Who says that GDPR rules have been broken? Buying the assets of the old company, including it's client database, then contacting each client on that database to establish whether they would be happy to continue receiving communications from the previous business sounds pretty above board to me. Had the database been stolen by an ex employee and handed to the new business without them having bought it as part of the purchase from administrators that would be a whole new scenario. It would seem that corporate lawyers would have been very unlikely to allow the Flybe management to infringe GDPR so early on.

The rise in fuel costs and potential retrenchment in business travel were the Ukraine situation get out of hand and spill over into central / western Europe will likely be much greater impediments to the launch and success of the business in the short term.

bean 23rd Feb 2022 13:54

Once again, as they always have on the subject of Flybe, this forum is degenerating to relentless, speculative, ill informed drivel. Wait for gods sake!!!!
As a new private company you lot are not going to be privy to profit and loss figures anyway. GIVE IT A REST

cavokblues 23rd Feb 2022 13:56


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11188757)
Hahahahaha, the state of some replies in here. Tanks rolling into Kviv, The Queen having Covid, The Downing St investigation. Emerald's AOC. GDPR bore-offs on Twitter. Heathrow slot drama.

What else can you conjure? The high price of milk means crew on strike because they can't have a cuppa at work?? No pilots because the RAF will conscript them all for WW3?? Increase risk of prop-strike after airports talk about using grassy areas for farm animal grazing to raise needed funds??

..If you're believing that the launch of Flybe is dependant on any of the above.... Turn off the TV, take off your tin foil hats and go for a walk. :}

I think you missed, entirely, the context of the remarks made. It was suggested the delay might be due to trying to pick a slow news day to secure some decent media time and those comments about the Queen and the tanks were made to suggest a slow news day might not be coming any time soon. Ultimately, if ops are due to start 1st April you would expect a bit more lead time then 30-ishdays.

cavokblues 23rd Feb 2022 13:58


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11188785)
Once again, as they always have on the subject of Flybe, this forum is degenerating to relentless, speculative, ill informed drivel. Wait for gods sake!!!!
As a new private company you lot are not going to be privy to profit and loss figures anyway. GIVE IT A REST

It's a forum about airlines, airports and routes. Discussion about new airlines and speculation is part of it. You don't have to be privy to P&L figures to have an interest in it and want to chat about it.

BA318 23rd Feb 2022 14:11


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11188781)
Who says that GDPR rules have been broken? Buying the assets of the old company, including it's client database, then contacting each client on that database to establish whether they would be happy to continue receiving communications from the previous business sounds pretty above board to me. Had the database been stolen by an ex employee and handed to the new business without them having bought it as part of the purchase from administrators that would be a whole new scenario. It would seem that corporate lawyers would have been very unlikely to allow the Flybe management to infringe GDPR so early on.

The rise in fuel costs and potential retrenchment in business travel were the Ukraine situation get out of hand and spill over into central / western Europe will likely be much greater impediments to the launch and success of the business in the short term.

Nobody said they did. I just said the effect it could have if it were found to be true. Corporate lawyers can also make mistakes. Otherwise there wouldn’t be half the fines and issues there are not would there be a need for such regulators if all companies followed the rules.


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