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Letsflycwl 21st Feb 2022 21:30


Originally Posted by OneBellEnd (Post 11187785)
What’s not covered from Belfast now that a resurrection of BE could go after - Doncaster, Norwich? Or are they planning to bop up and slug it out toe to toe with the other regional airlines who are now operating these routes at BHD, two years after Flybe folded? If that’s the plan, hope the goldmine runs deep.

Don’t forget Cardiff

OzzyOzBorn 21st Feb 2022 21:42

It may not be that simple. Over the weekend, I looked to book a BHD-MAN sector for mid-April, only to find that no carrier has flights on sale. The Aer Lingus A320 is gone ... presumably back to Dublin. But the replacement Emerald AT76 services are not yet loaded for bookings. It is possible that FlyBe 2.0 could launch flights from BHD before Emerald does. They're both new operations. I'm not predicting which will enter the market first, just pointing out that neither are on sale yet - so FlyBe could still be the one with first-mover advantage on some former Aer Lingus routes if they launch before Emerald do.

Of course, I acknowledge that EasyJet operate BFS-MAN throughout. But those routes operated by the Aer Lingus A320 from BHD may be left temporarily vacant.

mart901 22nd Feb 2022 05:24


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 11187809)
It may not be that simple. Over the weekend, I looked to book a BHD-MAN sector for mid-April, only to find that no carrier has flights on sale. The Aer Lingus A320 is gone ... presumably back to Dublin. But the replacement Emerald AT76 services are not yet loaded for bookings. It is possible that FlyBe 2.0 could launch flights from BHD before Emerald does. They're both new operations. I'm not predicting which will enter the market first, just pointing out that neither are on sale yet - so FlyBe could still be the one with first-mover advantage on some former Aer Lingus routes if they launch before Emerald do.

Of course, I acknowledge that EasyJet operate BFS-MAN throughout. But those routes operated by the Aer Lingus A320 from BHD may be left temporarily vacant.


If EIR do take up every route they've announced they will then there won't be any gap in service it will go from from one to the other carrier and I've even seen it suggested they'd use damp leasing of BA cityflyer a/c if needed.

I'd virtually bet on the fact the reason they've not announced yet is it's a game of cat and mouse and strongly suspect they'll not go head to head on any route. EZY were already doing BFS-MAN Ozzy before BE went bust, definitely room for two carriers in the market - not sure three would work for long. Also if BE launched BHD-MAN and BHX as is being suggested that's basically the two aircraft they have spoken for, it would need a minimum of three daily rotations to give them any sort of commercial edge.


BACsuperVC10 22nd Feb 2022 07:59

They might offer BHD-LPL. Its unserved and the BFS-LPL route is a very busy one, so they could see an opportunity there.

Wycombe 22nd Feb 2022 08:01


that's basically the two aircraft they have spoken for
3rd aircraft acquired apparently (JECP) according to Jethro's

DRAGON RAPIDE 22nd Feb 2022 09:07

EMA would be a good choice. Flybe use to have 3 or 4 rotations a day and always busy. Currently only served from International by Easy 4 times a week and nothing currently scheduled beyond end of March.

ATNotts 22nd Feb 2022 12:22


Originally Posted by DRAGON RAPIDE (Post 11187996)
EMA would be a good choice. Flybe use to have 3 or 4 rotations a day and always busy. Currently only served from International by Easy 4 times a week and nothing currently scheduled beyond end of March.

I think you're right there. Even though business travel may never return to pre-pandemic levels there must surely be a demand for 2 x daily M-F morning and evening service between Belfast and EMA to serve what remaining business travel demand there is. You could say the same for LBA and CWL. BHX and MAN may be less certain, depends a lot on how quickly Emerald get their act together (and indeed how long it takes Flybe to do likewise!).

I suspect that if Flybe are to commence at the season changeover at the end of March they'll need to have their hands on at least 5 Dash 8s by then, but time alone will tell.


OzzyOzBorn 22nd Feb 2022 12:32

mart901 - Which bit of my post led you to believe that I was unaware of EasyJet's history on BFS-MAN? I even referred to them. Please don't be condescending like that. Most people using this forum are or have been in the industry and are well aware of the basics. In my case, I've been using (and working with) flights between Belfast and MAN for years.

The point I made was that after Aer Lingus A320 service is withdrawn towards the end of March, nothing is on sale on BHD-MAN. Not Emerald, not FlyBe 2.0, not BA Cityflyer. None of them. So, as I said, FlyBe 2.0 does still have the opportunity to be first mover as the route resumes. Meanwhile, if any of them want some actual bookings (the important bit) they need to open their planned services for reservations. They won't be getting my mid-April booking anyway. I've made other arrangements. April travellers are making their plans now. If any carrier plans to serve the route by then (and perhaps they don't intend to), then they need to be accepting bookings already. They're probably best advised to hold off until at least May at this point.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Feb 2022 12:42

Any thoughts on Southend being a base, or destination? Whilst always wise to take corporate statements with a pinch of salt, SEN are recruiting ahead of a “busy summer season”. The current schedule is 13 weekly passenger flights and a nightly freighter…

TimmyW 22nd Feb 2022 12:46

Hoping for something at Doncaster, however unlikely it is. It must be the only airport that didn't have any of the lost FlyBe routes replaced.

ATNotts 22nd Feb 2022 12:50

Unless Flybe 2.0 want to make the same mistakes as version 1 they'll be steering clear of 3rd rank airports such as Southend and Doncaster until they are properly established. It's going to be tough for them and there will be little point in casting the net(work) too wide to begin with. The "scattergun" approach rarely works.

mart901 22nd Feb 2022 14:05


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 11188136)
mart901 - Which bit of my post led you to believe that I was unaware of EasyJet's history on BFS-MAN? I even referred to them. Please don't be condescending like that. Most people using this forum are or have been in the industry and are well aware of the basics. In my case, I've been using (and working with) flights between Belfast and MAN for years.

The point I made was that after Aer Lingus A320 service is withdrawn towards the end of March, nothing is on sale on BHD-MAN. Not Emerald, not FlyBe 2.0, not BA Cityflyer. None of them. So, as I said, FlyBe 2.0 does still have the opportunity to be first mover as the route resumes. Meanwhile, if any of them want some actual bookings (the important bit) they need to open their planned services for reservations. They won't be getting my mid-April booking anyway. I've made other arrangements. April travellers are making their plans now. If any carrier plans to serve the route by then (and perhaps they don't intend to), then they need to be accepting bookings already. They're probably best advised to hold off until at least May at this point.

Not being condescending at all, the word 'throughout' wasn't there when you posted it first, hence I stated they were there before. If you knew they were whey before why mention it, it would have no relevance!

Jenny Tails 22nd Feb 2022 14:11

Routes
BHX-JER
BHX-BHD
BHD-CWL
BHD-NCL
BHD-LPL

biddedout 22nd Feb 2022 14:42

Don't Emerald (UK) have to get a UK AOC before they can start out of BHD?

BristolexFlyer 22nd Feb 2022 14:51


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11188145)
Hoping for something at Doncaster, however unlikely it is. It must be the only airport that didn't have any of the lost FlyBe routes replaced.

There’s a reason for that. They should steer well clear of DSA.

Regards

BristolexFlyer

mart901 22nd Feb 2022 15:17


Originally Posted by Jenny Tails (Post 11188194)
Routes
BHX-JER
BHX-BHD
BHD-CWL
BHD-NCL
BHD-LPL

That official?

TimmyW 22nd Feb 2022 15:30


Originally Posted by BristolexFlyer (Post 11188210)
There’s a reason for that. They should steer well clear of DSA.

Regards

BristolexFlyer

Why's that?

BristolexFlyer 22nd Feb 2022 15:43


Originally Posted by TimmyW (Post 11188231)
Why's that?

Pretty simple. The routes were loss making, and therefore unviable. Economics.

Regards

BristolexFlyer

AndrewH52 22nd Feb 2022 15:47


Originally Posted by BristolexFlyer (Post 11188236)
Pretty simple. The routes were loss making, and therefore unviable. Economics.

Regards

BristolexFlyer

You could argue that about most Flybe 1.0 routes otherwise they probably wouldn’t have gone bust.

BristolexFlyer 22nd Feb 2022 15:54


Originally Posted by AndrewH52 (Post 11188238)
You could argue that about most Flybe 1.0 routes otherwise they probably wouldn’t have gone bust.

Absolutely, I agree. Many of theirs routes were undoubtedly marginal at best, and we know some of their issues were larger organisational ones. In the example of DSA, regional routes have been tried by an array of airlines, Aer Lingus, Flybe, easyJet and Wizz have all failed. Tui and Wizz have found their markets at DSA, but it doesn’t seem like DSA can make regional/business routes work. It’s as plain as day.

Regards

BristolexFlyer


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