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Local Variation 1st Mar 2022 19:21


Originally Posted by Alteagod (Post 11192982)
Guys guys guys keep your hair on. This is a RUMOUR network. Its not the gospel word of god. Its a talking shop for ideas, thoughts, notions, rumours and ruminating. What will be will be with Flybe.

Think the recent points being made are that the rumours and speculation in here have an underlying negative repetitive theme to them.

jethro15 1st Mar 2022 19:29

Post No 1342...................This thread is now akin to airline passengers who, when given the reason for the delay to their flight, proceed to tell friends, family and media that they were never given any information. What they actually mean is ‘I was not told what I wanted to hear!’

SWBKCB 1st Mar 2022 19:33


Originally Posted by Local Variation (Post 11192999)
Think the recent points being made are that the rumours and speculation in here have an underlying negative repetitive theme to them.

Nature abhors a vacuum...

All the previous press releases talk of a launch in early 2022, so when nothing has been heard from BE by the start of March, hardly surprising that there is comment/speculation


Flybe will serve key regions across the UK and EU with operations scheduled to begin in early 2022.
Press Release - Flybe announces new Birmingham Headquarters and First Crew Base

Albert Hall 1st Mar 2022 20:09

The update I was given based on the slot information is below. I guess the start date plus any of the stuff below could easily change. On top of the health warning that this can and probably will change, this only covers flying at slot constrained UK airports so omits plans to fly between airports that aren't slot restricted. So if BHD-LPL, BHD-CWL etc etc are in the plan, they won't be listed here.

Birmingham-Paris CDG 1 x daily from 31 March (covering a W pattern also)

Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March

Birmingham-Edinburgh 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August and to 4 x daily from 15 September

Birmingham-Glasgow 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August

Birmingham-Isle of Man 1 x daily from 18 August

Birmingham-Jersey 1 x weekly (Saturday) from 9 July to 17 September

Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August

Manchester-Southampton 2 x daily from 21 July

adfly 1st Mar 2022 20:25


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11193024)
The update I was given based on the slot information is below. I guess the start date plus any of the stuff below could easily change. On top of the health warning that this can and probably will change, this only covers flying at slot constrained UK airports so omits plans to fly between airports that aren't slot restricted. So if BHD-LPL, BHD-CWL etc etc are in the plan, they won't be listed here.

Birmingham-Paris CDG 1 x daily from 31 March (covering a W pattern also)

Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March - Emerald (details tbc) + easyJet to BFS

Birmingham-Edinburgh 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August and to 4 x daily from 15 September - easyJet

Birmingham-Glasgow 2 x daily from 28 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 18 August - easyJet

Birmingham-Isle of Man 1 x daily from 18 August - Loganair

Birmingham-Jersey 1 x weekly (Saturday) from 9 July to 17 September - Blue Islands and Jet2

Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August - Emerald (details tbc) + easyJet to BFS

Manchester-Southampton 2 x daily from 21 July - Eastern

I'd hedge bets on the CDG w-pattern being CDG-SOU. It is the busiest ex. Flybe route still unserved from Southampton.

Also, as per my bold comments in the quote, that's a lot of competition straight from the off...

jethro15 1st Mar 2022 20:33

There are far more qualified folk on this forum than I to work this out, but can the schedule provided by 'Albert Hall' be covered by the following?

G-JEJX Currently undertaking training flights
G-JECY Currently at EXT (Since 07 Jan on mx before being registered 10 Feb - Not flown since)
G-JECP Currently at Wheeze since 15 Jun 20. Now in new Flybe Livery (Not yet registered)

Albert Hall 1st Mar 2022 20:46

I also thought it was more than likely to be CDG-SOU but didn't have any basis beyond my thoughts on which to suggest it. And yes this does seem to be picking a fight in almost every possible direction.

Apparently they've been rather crass in managing their slots by trying to disguise what they're up to but using the old Flybe flight numbers for each new route which then makes their plans pretty obvious. If they wanted secrecy then that's a schoolboy error.

JobsaGoodun 1st Mar 2022 21:44

Given the slot waivers that have been in place due to COVID, couldn’t they just be holding their historic slots in the same way as they have since the Administration?

It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing around to keep us all guessing.

davidjohnson6 1st Mar 2022 23:23


Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun (Post 11193072)
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re playing around to keep us all guessing.

Albert Hall's inferred route/schedule looks plausible - but there are plenty of other people reading this who are more expert than me
It's realtively easy to fake some minor detail in a system, but those who try to disguise things heavily by putting very false information in record systems usually have a hard time both covering their tracks *and* making their tracks look plausible.
In other words, you can sometimes get away with one fib, but lying repeatedly in a credible way is difficult
When large amounts of fake info appear, there is usually something which doesn't pass a smell test and people start asking questions
There are more than enough people on this website and the Internet who will cast their eye over public airline info for a large set of porkies to remain hidden for long

RogueOne 2nd Mar 2022 12:41


Originally Posted by jethro15 (Post 11193038)
can the schedule provided by 'Albert Hall' be covered by the following?

G-JECX
G-JECY
G-JECP

Ok so a quick lesson for anyone wondering. Search the CAA aircraft registration database (link below), search a particular aircraft reg - and look at registration history. We'll use JECX.

Then take the previous registrant, copy and paste into a new 'advanced' search and see all the planes under their ownership. Currently with this example a further 6 DHC-8-402 waiting to be transferred to Flybe2

& this is just 1 aircraft leasing holding company. There are many others.

https://www.caa.co.uk/aircraft-regis...search-g-info/

Flybe will scale up aircraft acceptance as and when they're needed, they WILL NOT accept planes when they can't use them, and pour money down the drain - or not have enough planes when needed. It's a balancing act for sure though.

RogueOne 2nd Mar 2022 12:53


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11193096)
  • It's relatively easy to fake some minor detail in a system,
  • Those who try to disguise things heavily by putting very false information in record systems usually have a hard time both covering their tracks *and* making their tracks look plausible.
  • You can sometimes get away with one fib, but lying repeatedly in a credible way is difficult
  • When large amounts of fake info appear, there is usually something which doesn't pass a smell test and people start asking questions
  • There are more than enough people on this website and the Internet who will cast their eye over public airline info for a large set of porkies to remain hidden for long

Give it a rest mate, you're a broken record, poorly glued back together and broken again. Have you been giving misinformation fake news lessons to Putin?

So you're suggesting the slots and routes in the system filed and booked with airports and Eurocontrol, the new handling agent engaged & founded and all the employees hired & training conducted, head office moved and established, 2x new bases, a website that's built (but not live), 2 aircraft registered with more on the way, MRO services agreed.. etc etc etc - is all for show? 😂😂

Log off for a while, eh!

willy wombat 2nd Mar 2022 12:55

I’m strictly neutral in this debate but please could someone from the “pro Flybe faction” give a sensible explanation as to why flights are not on sale if the start date is still late March?

ATNotts 2nd Mar 2022 13:07


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 11193354)
I’m strictly neutral in this debate but please could someone from the “pro Flybe faction” give a sensible explanation as to why flights are not on sale if the start date is still late March?

I wouldn't class myself as part of the "pro Flybe faction" (you may choose to but I consider myself a fairly neutral outsider). However there are two, partially linked issues that may be delaying any start. First fuel prices, and second the Russia/Ukraine situation. Both could impact a start up quite badly and perhaps a short delay may be seen as beneficial.

jmdavies86 2nd Mar 2022 17:47


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11193024)
Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March

Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August

According to Twitter (@SeanM1997), Emerald have now placed x6 routes from BHD on sale for S22 (inc. BHX & MAN). Both are due to start at the end of this month (BHX - 20th; MAN - 27th).

I can only assume that they've successfully obtained their UK AOC, which is a lot earlier than expected as I'd read that it was due to happen sometime in June...?

Wonder how this will change things for Flybe now...

RogueOne 2nd Mar 2022 19:39


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11193524)
According to Twitter (@SeanM1997), Emerald have now placed x6 routes from BHD on sale for S22 (inc. BHX & MAN). Both are due to start at the end of this month (BHX - 20th; MAN - 27th).
I can only assume that they've successfully obtained their UK AOC, which is a lot earlier than expected as I'd read that it was due to happen sometime in June...?

You're in the wrong thread. You want the Emerald one.

Also see this post regarding their UK AOC.... it's not expected until the summer.

https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...l#post11180748

Albert Hall 2nd Mar 2022 19:41

I thought his question was a reasonable one - how does Emerald going on sale change things for Flybe's plans. It's on the right thread as far as I can see?

jmdavies86 2nd Mar 2022 20:37


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11193570)
You're in the wrong thread. You want the Emerald one.

As Albert suggests, my question is/was about how this development with Emerald might affect Flybe - I merely provided the information to give some context, so I respectfully disagree that I'm in/on the wrong thread.

I was also aware that Emerald were not expected to get their UK AOC until the summer, however they must have been granted it now because they wouldn't be able to start marketing/selling seats on domestic flights within the UK that are due to start at the end of this month if they don't have one - I've not read/seen any kind of press release or news article to suggest anything has happened, hence I was surprised - I agree though that this particular part probably should (and will!) get discussed in the Emerald thread.

RogueOne 3rd Mar 2022 14:12


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11193598)
They must have been granted it now because they wouldn't be able to start marketing/selling seats on domestic flights within the UK that are due to start at the end of this month if they don't have one

Unless as per their press release the flights are operated by Aer Lingus Regional.

Every time your brain has a thought, you don't need to open your laptop and type it on pprune. Do a bit of research first.

southamptonavgeek 3rd Mar 2022 15:29


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11193998)
Unless as per their press release the flights are operated by Aer Lingus Regional. Do a bit of research first.

Their flights are not operated by Aer Lingus Regional, as that is not a licenced airline (merely a brand name). If you had read the press release, you would see that the flights will be operated by Emerald.

bean 3rd Mar 2022 15:45


Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek (Post 11194046)
Their flights are not operated by Aer Lingus Regional, as that is not a licenced airline (merely a brand name). If you had read the press release, you would see that the flights will be operated by Emerald.

They can't operate the flights as they have neither AOC or operating licence. I checked the CAA website. It's called engaging brain before mouth


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