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RogueOne 2nd Mar 2022 13:53


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 11193096)
  • It's relatively easy to fake some minor detail in a system,
  • Those who try to disguise things heavily by putting very false information in record systems usually have a hard time both covering their tracks *and* making their tracks look plausible.
  • You can sometimes get away with one fib, but lying repeatedly in a credible way is difficult
  • When large amounts of fake info appear, there is usually something which doesn't pass a smell test and people start asking questions
  • There are more than enough people on this website and the Internet who will cast their eye over public airline info for a large set of porkies to remain hidden for long

Give it a rest mate, you're a broken record, poorly glued back together and broken again. Have you been giving misinformation fake news lessons to Putin?

So you're suggesting the slots and routes in the system filed and booked with airports and Eurocontrol, the new handling agent engaged & founded and all the employees hired & training conducted, head office moved and established, 2x new bases, a website that's built (but not live), 2 aircraft registered with more on the way, MRO services agreed.. etc etc etc - is all for show? 😂😂

Log off for a while, eh!

willy wombat 2nd Mar 2022 13:55

I’m strictly neutral in this debate but please could someone from the “pro Flybe faction” give a sensible explanation as to why flights are not on sale if the start date is still late March?

ATNotts 2nd Mar 2022 14:07


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 11193354)
I’m strictly neutral in this debate but please could someone from the “pro Flybe faction” give a sensible explanation as to why flights are not on sale if the start date is still late March?

I wouldn't class myself as part of the "pro Flybe faction" (you may choose to but I consider myself a fairly neutral outsider). However there are two, partially linked issues that may be delaying any start. First fuel prices, and second the Russia/Ukraine situation. Both could impact a start up quite badly and perhaps a short delay may be seen as beneficial.

jmdavies86 2nd Mar 2022 18:47


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11193024)
Birmingham-Belfast City 3 x daily from 31 March

Manchester-Belfast City 2 x daily from 7 July, increasing to 3 x daily from 28 July and 4 x daily from 25 August

According to Twitter (@SeanM1997), Emerald have now placed x6 routes from BHD on sale for S22 (inc. BHX & MAN). Both are due to start at the end of this month (BHX - 20th; MAN - 27th).

I can only assume that they've successfully obtained their UK AOC, which is a lot earlier than expected as I'd read that it was due to happen sometime in June...?

Wonder how this will change things for Flybe now...

RogueOne 2nd Mar 2022 20:39


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11193524)
According to Twitter (@SeanM1997), Emerald have now placed x6 routes from BHD on sale for S22 (inc. BHX & MAN). Both are due to start at the end of this month (BHX - 20th; MAN - 27th).
I can only assume that they've successfully obtained their UK AOC, which is a lot earlier than expected as I'd read that it was due to happen sometime in June...?

You're in the wrong thread. You want the Emerald one.

Also see this post regarding their UK AOC.... it's not expected until the summer.

https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...l#post11180748

Albert Hall 2nd Mar 2022 20:41

I thought his question was a reasonable one - how does Emerald going on sale change things for Flybe's plans. It's on the right thread as far as I can see?

jmdavies86 2nd Mar 2022 21:37


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11193570)
You're in the wrong thread. You want the Emerald one.

As Albert suggests, my question is/was about how this development with Emerald might affect Flybe - I merely provided the information to give some context, so I respectfully disagree that I'm in/on the wrong thread.

I was also aware that Emerald were not expected to get their UK AOC until the summer, however they must have been granted it now because they wouldn't be able to start marketing/selling seats on domestic flights within the UK that are due to start at the end of this month if they don't have one - I've not read/seen any kind of press release or news article to suggest anything has happened, hence I was surprised - I agree though that this particular part probably should (and will!) get discussed in the Emerald thread.

RogueOne 3rd Mar 2022 15:12


Originally Posted by jmdavies86 (Post 11193598)
They must have been granted it now because they wouldn't be able to start marketing/selling seats on domestic flights within the UK that are due to start at the end of this month if they don't have one

Unless as per their press release the flights are operated by Aer Lingus Regional.

Every time your brain has a thought, you don't need to open your laptop and type it on pprune. Do a bit of research first.

southamptonavgeek 3rd Mar 2022 16:29


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11193998)
Unless as per their press release the flights are operated by Aer Lingus Regional. Do a bit of research first.

Their flights are not operated by Aer Lingus Regional, as that is not a licenced airline (merely a brand name). If you had read the press release, you would see that the flights will be operated by Emerald.

bean 3rd Mar 2022 16:45


Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek (Post 11194046)
Their flights are not operated by Aer Lingus Regional, as that is not a licenced airline (merely a brand name). If you had read the press release, you would see that the flights will be operated by Emerald.

They can't operate the flights as they have neither AOC or operating licence. I checked the CAA website. It's called engaging brain before mouth

RogueOne 3rd Mar 2022 16:46


Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek (Post 11194046)
Their flights are not operated by Aer Lingus Regional, as that is not a licenced airline (merely a brand name). If you had read the press release, you would see that the flights will be operated by Emerald.

However you badge it, franchise it, operate it, the point remains that Emerald don't have an AOC and so they're having to get Lingus involved. & Lingus will want a slice of that pie.

🤑

jmdavies86 3rd Mar 2022 17:41


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11193998)
Unless as per their press release the flights are operated by Aer Lingus Regional.

Every time your brain has a thought, you don't need to open your laptop and type it on pprune. Do a bit of research first.

Perhaps you could be so kind to point out where within that press release it makes any reference to them launching flights from/to BHD...?!

Albert Hall 3rd Mar 2022 18:40

I'd heard it said that the new CEO in Flybe had something of a way about him but it's clearly also contagious.

Latest I'm getting is that start of flying delayed until 11 April at the earliest and may go back further. Delay related to finalising schedules based on uncertainty over slots although that bit is third hand news.


Atlantic Explorer 3rd Mar 2022 18:54


Originally Posted by Albert Hall (Post 11194126)
I'd heard it said that the new CEO in Flybe had something of a way about him but it's clearly also contagious.

Latest I'm getting is that start of flying delayed until 11 April at the earliest and may go back further. Delay related to finalising schedules based on uncertainty over slots although that bit is third hand news.

Blimey, hope they’ve got deep pockets. That’s a fair bit of cash burn before the money starts coming in. They’re going to be a little late to the party by then I would say.

SealinkBF 4th Mar 2022 14:49

An article in the Independent today. Doesn't really say anything more.

Flybe: what is happening with the resurrected regional airline? (msn.com)

SWBKCB 8th Mar 2022 20:50


Members of Flybe’s new team are:

Philip Saunders, chief commercial officer.
Saunders has held senior leadership roles in commercial, sales, marketing, and distribution at seven other airlines in the UK and around the world including British Airways, Deutsche BA, SN Brussels Airlines, Caribbean Airlines, Air Malta, Kuwait Airways, and South African Airways. In addition to leading highly successful commercial transformations at these various national airlines, he was also a senior executive at Travelport in the travel technology industry.

John Jackson, chief operations and customer service officer.
Jackson will be responsible for delivering operational excellence and world-class customer service across the airline by leading Flybe’s Airports, Flight Operations, Cabin Crew, People, and IT teams. He brings with him more than 30 years of industry experience having held previous senior roles with Continental, United Airlines, dnata, and Ravn Air Group in Alaska.

Ron Karger, chief technical officer.
Karger has more than 32 years experience in aviation maintenance and technical operations with previous roles including senior leadership positions at Air Canada Jazz, WestJet, WestJet Encore, and Pacific Coastal Airlines. As the director of maintenance at Encore, he oversaw the airline’s growth from start-up status to a fleet with forty-two Dash 8-400 aircraft.

Jim Comer, director of finance.
Comer is a chartered management accountant with 20 years experience in the aviation industry. Involved with the previous Flybe Ltd. since 2001, he has held roles in Treasury, FP&A, and Finance Business partnering, and he also played an important role in several pivotal projects including the acquisition and integration of BA Connect in 2007, the successful listing of Flybe on the London Stock Exchange in 2010, and the successful sale of Flybe’s business and assets in April 2021 to Cyrus Capital Partners L.P.

CEO, Dave Pflieger, said of the new additions: “We are extremely excited to have such accomplished industry leaders joining Flybe’s management team. Each one brings a wealth of professional experience and knowledge that will prove invaluable as we look to launch the new Flybe, but also create a strong community focused airline that people love.”

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/west...ngham-take-off

LGS6753 11th Mar 2022 15:33

UK Aviation News are speculating on a May launch:
https://ukaviation.news/flybe-2-0-st...le-may-launch/

Wallsendmag 11th Mar 2022 22:36


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 11198429)
UK Aviation News are speculating on a May launch:
https://ukaviation.news/flybe-2-0-st...le-may-launch/

Doesn't actually say which May though

TartinTon 12th Mar 2022 01:41

Given the recent announcements and recruitment activity my money is on a late March sales launch flying late April

Albert Hall 12th Mar 2022 10:45

I’d given up posting the updates I kept getting on start dates as there were so many of them. Latest news seems in line with that suggestion, announcement on Wednesday for flying from late April. Issues with slots apparently at the root of the deferrals and the person dealing with this has left - not sure if that’s the cause of the problems or a consequence of them.


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