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SWBKCB 22nd Feb 2022 19:00


Originally Posted by Jamie2009 (Post 11188333)
Aprils still a while away - why not give it just a bit longer and then look at your options🤷‍♂️

Why not announce what you are going to do? What's the hold-up?

What's the betting that when they do say something the strapline will be something about 'the passenger being at the centre of everything we do'? :rolleyes:

BA318 22nd Feb 2022 19:15


Originally Posted by Jamie2009 (Post 11188333)
Aprils still a while away - why not give it just a bit longer and then look at your options🤷‍♂️

Itís five weeks away. People have other things to book as well usually. And then if they have left it too late and no flight shows up they are left paying higher last minute prices.

When they report Q2 loses the same people will be using the excuse of how flights went on sale late and therefore they didnít get a fair shot at summer 22.

Albert Hall 22nd Feb 2022 19:30

It sounds like next Monday will be a fine day for playing airline "bulls**t bingo".

From what I'm told, there are several other routes to be added to this. BHX-JER is a Saturday only service through the summer. BHD-MAN and SOU-MAN are also on the cards and the latter suggests a SOU base.

TartinTon 22nd Feb 2022 19:34

I suspect aircraft and deliveries may be an issue. Given the history that they had with some very late deliveries before I see no reason why that might not be the case again with the hulls having been sat around for some time.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Feb 2022 19:42


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11188337)
Why not announce what you are going to do? What's the hold-up

Whether by accident or design I canít say but theyíll want to be towards the top of the news cycle. There hasnít been much room over the last few weeks because of Partygate, Ukraine, ĎFreedom Dayí etc. I know this because of something Iím involved in. Not that Monday will necessarily be any better, but you have to go eventually.

A short lead-in shouldnít be an issue. Ryanair have announced new routes for 5 weeks time.






BA318 22nd Feb 2022 19:46


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 11188368)
Whether by accident or design I canít say but theyíll want to be towards the top of the news cycle. There hasnít been much room over the last few weeks because of Partygate, Ukraine, ĎFreedom Dayí etc. I know this because of something Iím involved in. Not that Monday will necessarily be any better, but you have to go eventually.

A short lead-in shouldnít be an issue. Ryanair have announced new routes for 5 weeks time.

Ryanair have an established marketing machine, huge funds to bankroll any loses and can offer very cheap lead in fares. Does Flybe2 have any of that?

SWBKCB 22nd Feb 2022 19:50

Sorry but that sounds like b*llocks - do BE really think they are going to top of the news cycle, even on a quiet day? The percentage of the public that will be flying with them is tiny, but they need to be engaging with those potential passengers and not alienating them

Atlantic Explorer 22nd Feb 2022 20:02


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11188376)
Sorry but that sounds like b*llocks - do BE really think they are going to top of the news cycle, even on a quiet day? The percentage of the public that will be flying with them is tiny, but they need to be engaging with those potential passengers and not alienating them

Agreed! Just more waffling and hot air from the BE camp.

Jamie2009 22nd Feb 2022 20:18


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11188348)
Itís five weeks away. People have other things to book as well usually. And then if they have left it too late and no flight shows up they are left paying higher last minute prices.

When they report Q2 loses the same people will be using the excuse of how flights went on sale late and therefore they didnít get a fair shot at summer 22.

I couldnít agree more buddy. Donít waste your time Flybe bashing on here - get on the blower to your IAG mates and get them to sort it out.

Jamie2009 22nd Feb 2022 20:19


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11188372)
Ryanair have an established marketing machine, huge funds to bankroll any loses and can offer very cheap lead in fares. Does Flybe2 have any of that?

Just like IAG👍



BA318 22nd Feb 2022 20:29


Originally Posted by Jamie2009 (Post 11188389)
I couldnít agree more buddy. Donít waste your time Flybe bashing on here - get on the blower to your IAG mates and get them to sort it out.

Not sure what that means. Iím not a fan of IAG or BA. My username was purely an interest in the BA A318 which I flew on and working at LCY at the time. Not sure why you need an attitude constantly. People are allowed to debate this topic. Itís not Flybe bashing to ask about their resources or question their techniques.


BA318 22nd Feb 2022 20:37

More complaints about Flybe emailing people.


this time because they donít appear to have an EU nominated rep.

mart901 22nd Feb 2022 20:55


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11188406)
More complaints about Flybe emailing people. https://twitter.com/CBridge_Chief/st...THi_i5ZTJzkfLA

this time because they donít appear to have an EU nominated rep.

To be fair I think they just need to grow up. My inbox is flooded daily with rubbish, spam, scam emails probably like a lot of people. Hit delete and get on with life seriously.

I for one am glad to see BE coming back, naturally a bit sceptical given the amount of failures in the industry but genuinely believe there's room for them and a market for regional flying that hasn't been fully covered by other airlines since their demise.
Wish them well and I'll give them some business if the routes and prices suit.

Albert Hall 22nd Feb 2022 21:07

Jamie, your posts sound like a rant against IAG for reasons that won't be immediately obvious to most. From what I hear, Flybe has managed to screw up the Heathrow slots and I would not be at all surprised if IAG/BA are going bananas about it. I don't know the full ins and outs of the affair - but isn't it rather better to get your own glasshouse in order before throwing stones?

Jamie2009 22nd Feb 2022 21:43


Originally Posted by mart901 (Post 11188416)
I for one am glad to see BE coming back, naturally a bit sceptical given the amount of failures in the industry but genuinely believe there's room for them and a market for regional flying that hasn't been fully covered by other airlines since their demise.
Wish them well and I'll give them some business if the routes and prices suit.

Good to hear and I'm sure you'll find out more about Flybe's new services in the not to distant future.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Feb 2022 22:11


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11188376)
Sorry but that sounds like b*llocks - do BE really think they are going to top of the news cycle, even on a quiet day? The percentage of the public that will be flying with them is tiny, but they need to be engaging with those potential passengers and not alienating them

I think you donít understand my point, or how these things work. I didnít say Ďtopí, thatís clear in black and white. Itís absolutely not implausible the resurrection of Flybe could make it onto the front page of the BBC news app. But thatís not the most valuable bitÖitís the things that go with it. The couple of minutes interviewed on LBC and Today, the discussion on 5live. Free publicity, national reach. Itís these that are being squeezed out at the moment by other events.

SWBKCB 22nd Feb 2022 22:19

And while you wait for your five minutes in the sun, you are missing out on the guys who need to book. And once they find an alternative, they might be gone for ever....

cavokblues 23rd Feb 2022 07:44

Interesting to read about the role of PR and having to try to predict a slow news day. It's a world I know nothing about!

What are the chances of a slow news day at the moment? Things seem to be escalating in Ukraine, once (if?) that dies down the police may come back with their findings about party gate at no 10, and you hope the Queen has a quick recovery from Covid.....

I wouldn't like to be the one deciding to pick the day to go public only to be usurped by a more newsworthy story at the last minute.....

tictack67 23rd Feb 2022 07:55


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11188462)
And while you wait for your five minutes in the sun, you are missing out on the guys who need to book. And once they find an alternative, they might be gone for ever....

I totally agree.

It's not as if much of this is alreasy a surprise; eh the name and the aircraft type.
I wish flybe2 well, but this is just giving the impression of dithering and does not instill any confidence just procastination

ATNotts 23rd Feb 2022 08:14


Originally Posted by tictack67 (Post 11188589)
I totally agree.

It's not as if much of this is a surprise already; the name and the aircraft type.

I wish flybe2 wel, but this is just giving the impression of dithering and does not instill any confidence just procastination

The thing is that the commercial aviation bubble is similar to the Westminster bubble. Outside of their own circles people are either unaware or simply don't care. When people look to book a flight they'll simply look at the options that are laid out in front of them at the time, and choose the one that is most convenient and / or cheapest. If Flybe or even Emerald are in the drop-down of options they're at the races, if they're not well the someone else gets the booking.

That means that if, for example you're headed for a wedding in Belfast you might want to book weeks, possibly months in advance and if you tried that today Flybe would lose out. If on the other hand it's a funeral then booking any more than a week in advance would be unusual. Through all of my business travelling life I only quite rarely found myself planning a trip more than 4 weeks ahead. So yes, the earlier flights are released the more likely people are to book, but most short haul flights aren't booked that far in advance. However if Flybe don't get their booking engine up and running by 1st. March expecting to start operations at the end of March would seem a little short notice.


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