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BA318 6th Feb 2022 21:18

https://www.cityam.com/flybe-pilots-...y-again/?amp=1

Flybe is under fire for itís ďunusually aggressiveĒ non-disclosure agreements for staff about their working conditions.

BusterHot 7th Feb 2022 20:49


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11180706)
https://www.cityam.com/flybe-pilots-...y-again/?amp=1

Flybe is under fire for itís ďunusually aggressiveĒ non-disclosure agreements for staff about their working conditions.

I hope Iím proved wrong, but sadly I donít see this ending (starting?) well.

Lots of professionals desperate to make it work (just like last time), managed by people with different agendas. This isnít Flybe of old (probably a good thing), but a business first and foremost and an airline second. I think that come 2 weeks post launch, most crews will be wondering what theyíve joined.

But Iíll say it again, I hope Iím proved wrong.

Citrine 8th Feb 2022 05:07


Originally Posted by BusterHot (Post 11181193)
I hope Iím proved wrong, but sadly I donít see this ending (starting?) well.

Lots of professionals desperate to make it work (just like last time), managed by people with different agendas. This isnít Flybe of old (probably a good thing), but a business first and foremost and an airline second. I think that come 2 weeks post launch, most crews will be wondering what theyíve joined.

But Iíll say it again, I hope Iím proved wrong.

Totslly agree with you......managed by people with different agenda's . Theyve messed around with folks lives once already and there doing it again with all this speculation firstly that cyras want to sell. In reality there is no need for another airline to buy it secondly I already know through the grapevine that one employee left after the 1st week. There exact words I know it's going to be a success but theyve jumped ship to another airline. If you know its going to be a success why leave....is it because you have already seen the cracks???i

Wycombe 8th Feb 2022 08:07


.is it because you have already seen the cracks???i
.....or maybe just got a better offer?

ATNotts 8th Feb 2022 08:46


Originally Posted by Citrine (Post 11181290)
Totslly agree with you......managed by people with different agenda's . Theyve messed around with folks lives once already and there doing it again with all this speculation firstly that cyras want to sell. In reality there is no need for another airline to buy it secondly I already know through the grapevine that one employee left after the 1st week. There exact words I know it's going to be a success but theyve jumped ship to another airline. If you know its going to be a success why leave....is it because you have already seen the cracks???i

Honestly, you've never had an instance of someone taking a job then not appearing on day 1, or leaving after 24 hours, or perhaps after a week or two??? I have seen all these a number of times in my working life, it isn't unusual and may or may not have anything to do with whether a business will succeed or fail.

I fully understand and sympathise with people who lost their jobs, or part of their pensions on the back of the demise of Flybe Mk.1 but it would be better if the analysis were less tabloid. Connecting the departure of one individual within a short space of time with the business failing verges on the sort of "click-bait" headlines that plague the Google News that I simply can't get off my phone (I probably could but I'm not that IT savvy!).

bean 8th Feb 2022 14:20

Unfortunately it's Pprune vs Flybe. Hundreds of pages of drivel over many years. It's not going to stop. Too many people with agendas/blinkered opinions

RogueOne 8th Feb 2022 18:48


Originally Posted by Citrine (Post 11181290)
Theyve messed around with folks lives once already and there doing it again

No they haven't and no they aren't. This is a totally different company, a totally different airline, with a wholly new management team!!! Again more ignorance and bias just because the name is the same. The name was bought. That's it.

New CEO, Board of Directors and one singular owner rather than 3 investors aiming to get their pound of flesh and also try to please shareholders.

I'm staggered how some can't get this through their thick heads. Perhaps it's jealousy, perhaps it's fear - because some of you work for the competition that are about to be beaten, or have been wronged by another airline that happened to share the same name 2 years ago.

SWBKCB 8th Feb 2022 19:01


No they haven't and no they aren't. This is a totally different company, a totally different airline, with a wholly new management team!!! Again more ignorance and bias just because the name is the same. The name was bought. That's it.
Except they keep saying "we're back". Except it's been bought by the people who owned it last time. A totally different airline except for the name, colour and aircraft. If its that different why not come clean and re-brand?

It's different in that they couldn't keep the old AOC they tried so hard for and haven't paid their debts.

Saabdriver1 8th Feb 2022 19:02

It's stretching credibility a little thinly to claim there is no connection when the sole shareholder today is one of the three who took over Flybe, secured its lendings against Flybe's assets and put itself in a "no lose" position when many others had no such choice or luxury. I don't believe there is anything thick-headed about people being clear on that count.

Albert Hall 8th Feb 2022 19:07

Everything I'm hearing is that BHD will be the first base with operations of any scale, and there will be very little flying at BHX. They sound to be pretty much stuck with having to operate the Heathrow remedy slots or else they are lost. I don't know whether you could or should put those two things together, but even if BHD-LHR isn't on the cards then it'll be interesting to see how they fly the LHR slots without losing their shirts doing it.

Skipness One Foxtrot 8th Feb 2022 19:58


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181688)
No they haven't and no they aren't. This is a totally different company, a totally different airline, with a wholly new management team!!! Again more ignorance and bias just because the name is the same. The name was bought. That's it.

New CEO, Board of Directors and one singular owner rather than 3 investors aiming to get their pound of flesh and also try to please shareholders.

I'm staggered how some can't get this through their thick heads. Perhaps it's jealousy, perhaps it's fear - because some of you work for the competition that are about to be eaten, or have been wronged by another airline that happened to share the same name 2 years ago.

This statement is contradicted by Zombie flybe who claim they're "back". Flybe themselves view this as a "relauch", they use the term "return". Having it both ways isn't a good start in terms of honesty and transparency. It's quite unpleasant to gloat that airlines which worked hard to survive COVID are going to get "eaten" by a firm who went bust and left a trail of debt in their wake. To say with a straight face this is a "totally different airline" is dishonesty IMHO.

Citrine 8th Feb 2022 20:41


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181688)
No they haven't and no they aren't. This is a totally different company, a totally different airline, with a wholly new management team!!! Again more ignorance and bias just because the name is the same. The name was bought. That's it.

New CEO, Board of Directors and one singular owner rather than 3 investors aiming to get their pound of flesh and also try to please shareholders.

I'm staggered how some can't get this through their thick heads. Perhaps it's jealousy, perhaps it's fear - because some of you work for the competition that are about to be eaten, or have been wronged by another airline that happened to share the same name 2 years ago.

I'm sure other airlines are absolutely petrified of flybe coming back😂😂 t

jethro15 8th Feb 2022 21:08

1200 Posts and still going. I've seen many a thread being closed/locked for less.

BA318 8th Feb 2022 21:21


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181735)
Again.... it's a new company!!! Flybe1 went bust. This is not that company.

For the ignorant. Here's a link to it: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

If Flybe2 was called Super Duper Airlines Ltd none of your cages would be rattling right now, but many here have got axes to grind, and soapboxes to stand on to make yourselves feel relevant. Maybe there should be a Flybe2 thread created for positive/relevant/constructive discussion?? Mods, Admins - can we do that?

Flybe2 might be saying it's a return, because that's all the normal flying public care about, a return to flying the routes they would have travelled on before. Not worrying about absolute flannels here keen to bash a new company, a new airline and those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs last time out. Good luck to them. Aviation and tourism and hospitality has been dicked good and proper, why the constant naysaying?? Just be happy and let them get on with connecting people and bring about jobs.

In your earlier post you were talking about how Flybe is going to eat the competition so those jobs donít matter? Effectively making Flybeís jobs neutral and they will replace others.

Itís not just unreasoned bashing of Flybe2. The warning signs are being reported elsewhere - The Telegraph reporting the owners were already trying to flog it off shows how long their interest in it is. BALPA are complaining about the ďunusually aggressiveĒ terms crew were being made to sign.

Winston Fumble 8th Feb 2022 21:25

Perhaps Iíve missed something, but with all the current recruitment going on for the refreshed Flybe, Iím amazed they havenít announced a launch date with routes etc, so Joe Public can buy a ticket, that would at least create some cash flow - presumably, they must have deep pockets as their cash in the bank right now, is going only one way. I wish them luck.

Saabdriver1 8th Feb 2022 21:28

It is indeed a new legal entity. But that is owned by a company which was the main shareholder in the previous company and which so far has been the main beneficiary of the payouts from the administrators. You can't escape that no matter how you try to dress that up. It is not for me to tell you what you should and shouldn't accept (and vice versa) but I'd be surprised if you can't see there are some very angry people out there about this. Those in the former BRAL pension scheme are firmly in that group. I can't see why you are so anxious to shout down their views.

SWBKCB 8th Feb 2022 22:03


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181735)
Again.... it's a new company!!! Flybe1 went bust. This is not that company.

For the ignorant. Here's a link to it: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

If Flybe2 was called Super Duper Airlines Ltd none of your cages would be rattling right now, but many here have got axes to grind, and soapboxes to stand on to make yourselves feel relevant. Maybe there should be a Flybe2 thread created for positive/relevant/constructive discussion?? Mods, Admins - can we do that?

Flybe2 might be saying it's a return, because that's all the normal flying public care about, a return to flying the routes they would have travelled on before. Not worrying about absolute flannels here keen to bash a new company, a new airline and those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs last time out. Good luck to them. Aviation and tourism and hospitality has been dicked good and proper, why the constant naysaying?? Just be happy and let them get on with connecting people and bring about jobs.

What's that saying? Oh yes "follow the money"...


Citrine 9th Feb 2022 07:29

Does anybody know how unsubscribe from this forum please....thank you .

Wallsendmag 9th Feb 2022 07:57


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181735)
Again.... it's a new company!!! Flybe1 went bust. This is not that company.

For the ignorant. Here's a link to it: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

If Flybe2 was called Super Duper Airlines Ltd none of your cages would be rattling right now, but many here have got axes to grind, and soapboxes to stand on to make yourselves feel relevant. Maybe there should be a Flybe2 thread created for positive/relevant/constructive discussion?? Mods, Admins - can we do that?

Flybe2 might be saying it's a return, because that's all the normal flying public care about, a return to flying the routes they would have travelled on before. Not worrying about absolute flannels here keen to bash a new company, a new airline and those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs last time out. Good luck to them. Aviation and tourism and hospitality has been dicked good and proper, why the constant naysaying?? Just be happy and let them get on with connecting people and bring about jobs.

If it is a new company they've just performed a serious GDPR breech, I work for a Train Operating Company and at the end of one franchise we lost 90% of our customer database. Unless everyone contacted had ticked a box saying something along the lines of "yes please pass my details to a new company if you go to the wall", they'll have a problem.

ATNotts 9th Feb 2022 08:24


Originally Posted by Wallsendmag (Post 11181883)
If it is a new company they've just performed a serious GDPR breech, I work for a Train Operating Company and at the end of one franchise we lost 90% of our customer database. Unless everyone contacted had ticked a box saying something along the lines of "yes please pass my details to a new company if you go to the wall", they'll have a problem.

There is, as I see it, a fundamental difference here. If train operating company "A" comes to the end of their franchise, and a new company "B" becomes the new operating company the business hasn't been sold. In the case of Flybe the administrators of Flybe Mk.1 sold their business (they remain the operator of the failed business) to another company including (one assumes) the customer database. If the new company had unofficially "obtained" the customer database they would likely be on much thinner ice.

As it is Flybe appear to have contacted their subscribers on the database they have bought asking for their permission to send them information which seems more than reasonable to my (non legal) brain.


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