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jethro15 8th Feb 2022 20:08

1200 Posts and still going. I've seen many a thread being closed/locked for less.

BA318 8th Feb 2022 20:21


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181735)
Again.... it's a new company!!! Flybe1 went bust. This is not that company.

For the ignorant. Here's a link to it: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

If Flybe2 was called Super Duper Airlines Ltd none of your cages would be rattling right now, but many here have got axes to grind, and soapboxes to stand on to make yourselves feel relevant. Maybe there should be a Flybe2 thread created for positive/relevant/constructive discussion?? Mods, Admins - can we do that?

Flybe2 might be saying it's a return, because that's all the normal flying public care about, a return to flying the routes they would have travelled on before. Not worrying about absolute flannels here keen to bash a new company, a new airline and those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs last time out. Good luck to them. Aviation and tourism and hospitality has been dicked good and proper, why the constant naysaying?? Just be happy and let them get on with connecting people and bring about jobs.

In your earlier post you were talking about how Flybe is going to eat the competition so those jobs don’t matter? Effectively making Flybe’s jobs neutral and they will replace others.

It’s not just unreasoned bashing of Flybe2. The warning signs are being reported elsewhere - The Telegraph reporting the owners were already trying to flog it off shows how long their interest in it is. BALPA are complaining about the “unusually aggressive” terms crew were being made to sign.

Winston Fumble 8th Feb 2022 20:25

Perhaps I’ve missed something, but with all the current recruitment going on for the refreshed Flybe, I’m amazed they haven’t announced a launch date with routes etc, so Joe Public can buy a ticket, that would at least create some cash flow - presumably, they must have deep pockets as their cash in the bank right now, is going only one way. I wish them luck.

Saabdriver1 8th Feb 2022 20:28

It is indeed a new legal entity. But that is owned by a company which was the main shareholder in the previous company and which so far has been the main beneficiary of the payouts from the administrators. You can't escape that no matter how you try to dress that up. It is not for me to tell you what you should and shouldn't accept (and vice versa) but I'd be surprised if you can't see there are some very angry people out there about this. Those in the former BRAL pension scheme are firmly in that group. I can't see why you are so anxious to shout down their views.

SWBKCB 8th Feb 2022 21:03


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181735)
Again.... it's a new company!!! Flybe1 went bust. This is not that company.

For the ignorant. Here's a link to it: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

If Flybe2 was called Super Duper Airlines Ltd none of your cages would be rattling right now, but many here have got axes to grind, and soapboxes to stand on to make yourselves feel relevant. Maybe there should be a Flybe2 thread created for positive/relevant/constructive discussion?? Mods, Admins - can we do that?

Flybe2 might be saying it's a return, because that's all the normal flying public care about, a return to flying the routes they would have travelled on before. Not worrying about absolute flannels here keen to bash a new company, a new airline and those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs last time out. Good luck to them. Aviation and tourism and hospitality has been dicked good and proper, why the constant naysaying?? Just be happy and let them get on with connecting people and bring about jobs.

What's that saying? Oh yes "follow the money"...


Citrine 9th Feb 2022 06:29

Does anybody know how unsubscribe from this forum please....thank you .

Wallsendmag 9th Feb 2022 06:57


Originally Posted by RogueOne (Post 11181735)
Again.... it's a new company!!! Flybe1 went bust. This is not that company.

For the ignorant. Here's a link to it: https://find-and-update.company-info...mpany/02769768

If Flybe2 was called Super Duper Airlines Ltd none of your cages would be rattling right now, but many here have got axes to grind, and soapboxes to stand on to make yourselves feel relevant. Maybe there should be a Flybe2 thread created for positive/relevant/constructive discussion?? Mods, Admins - can we do that?

Flybe2 might be saying it's a return, because that's all the normal flying public care about, a return to flying the routes they would have travelled on before. Not worrying about absolute flannels here keen to bash a new company, a new airline and those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs last time out. Good luck to them. Aviation and tourism and hospitality has been dicked good and proper, why the constant naysaying?? Just be happy and let them get on with connecting people and bring about jobs.

If it is a new company they've just performed a serious GDPR breech, I work for a Train Operating Company and at the end of one franchise we lost 90% of our customer database. Unless everyone contacted had ticked a box saying something along the lines of "yes please pass my details to a new company if you go to the wall", they'll have a problem.

ATNotts 9th Feb 2022 07:24


Originally Posted by Wallsendmag (Post 11181883)
If it is a new company they've just performed a serious GDPR breech, I work for a Train Operating Company and at the end of one franchise we lost 90% of our customer database. Unless everyone contacted had ticked a box saying something along the lines of "yes please pass my details to a new company if you go to the wall", they'll have a problem.

There is, as I see it, a fundamental difference here. If train operating company "A" comes to the end of their franchise, and a new company "B" becomes the new operating company the business hasn't been sold. In the case of Flybe the administrators of Flybe Mk.1 sold their business (they remain the operator of the failed business) to another company including (one assumes) the customer database. If the new company had unofficially "obtained" the customer database they would likely be on much thinner ice.

As it is Flybe appear to have contacted their subscribers on the database they have bought asking for their permission to send them information which seems more than reasonable to my (non legal) brain.

wanna 9th Feb 2022 08:20

Its fair to say that regardless your view point it fairly complicated and not simply its a new company v its not a new company.

The bigger picture is where does Flybe Mk2 really fit into the domestic flying landscape? There focus seems to be (from staff recruitment) be BHD, but from press info BHX. BHX is currently well served for the climate and no one knows what's around the corner, will business travel pick up? BHD will be very well served by Emerald in the form of Aer Lingus Regional. IAG are working with the smaller regional carriers, BA increased codeshare with Loganair for instance. Blue Islands, Aurigny and Loganair all working together. No doubt they'll be pitching to Emerald also (maybe indicated by the work LM is doing with IAG). Not forgetting Eastern, its no secret their owner has deep deep pockets. All 5 current regional airlines are fairly well financed, pretty much independently or state owned and have always fared when interacting original flybe.

So where does that leave Flybe? If things return to Pre pandemic levels then maybe there is a need for a 6th regional airline. But what if they dont? How many people will actually want to travel for work as OFTEN as they did before? Maybe instead of weekly trips its bi weekly or even just monthly. In the meantime other airlines, notably easyjet have moved in to some of the markets and do offer a good product. Yes other reasons to travel will no doubt bounce back but is that enough to sustain 6 airlines? Theres a difference between connecting Islands and remote communities Vs flying from and to fairly well connected places. No question theres a need for NI, Scottish, Channel Island, Isle of Man, Ireland etc flights but internal England?

bean 9th Feb 2022 08:30


Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 (Post 11181749)
It is indeed a new legal entity. But that is owned by a company which was the main shareholder in the previous company and which so far has been the main beneficiary of the payouts from the administrators. You can't escape that no matter how you try to dress that up. It is not for me to tell you what you should and shouldn't accept (and vice versa) but I'd be surprised if you can't see there are some very angry people out there about this. Those in the former BRAL pension scheme are firmly in that group. I can't see why you are so anxious to shout down their views.

Ignorant comment. The beneficiaries of any payout are the creditors. Cyrus had to write off their investment in Flybe as did Virgin

bean 9th Feb 2022 08:35


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 11181745)
In your earlier post you were talking about how Flybe is going to eat the competition so those jobs don’t matter? Effectively making Flybe’s jobs neutral and they will replace others.

It’s not just unreasoned bashing of Flybe2. The warning signs are being reported elsewhere - The Telegraph reporting the owners were already trying to flog it off shows how long their interest in it is. BALPA are complaining about the “unusually aggressive” terms crew were being made to sign.

Of course. Cyrus want to sell it off and realize their investment .
THEY ARE VENTURE CAPITALISTS

oapilot 9th Feb 2022 08:54


Originally Posted by bean (Post 11181923)
Ignorant comment. The beneficiaries of any payout are the creditors. Cyrus had to write off their investment in Flybe as did Virgin

That doesn’t mean they won’t be looking to recoup that debt together with the cash they’re burning now and will burn buying market share.

Might explain the grossly inflated value touted in the Telegraph for a company with no trading history.

bean 9th Feb 2022 09:58


Originally Posted by oapilot (Post 11181940)
That doesn’t mean they won’t be looking to recoup that debt together with the cash they’re burning now and will burn buying market share.

Might explain the grossly inflated value touted in the Telegraph for a company with no trading history.

Of course they want to make money. It's called capitalism!

stewyb 9th Feb 2022 10:10

As yet there is no confirmation they will even make it into the skies!

Jamie2009 9th Feb 2022 10:33


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 11181995)
As yet there is no confirmation they will even make it into the skies!

I would expect that to change sometime soon.

The NDA thing is bollocks, single sentence in my contract about not releasing confidential info not already in the public domain. Hardly a watertight NDA and certainly nothing about discussing T&Cs - fairly standard employment contract content.








BA318 9th Feb 2022 10:52


Originally Posted by Jamie2009 (Post 11182010)
I would expect that to change sometime soon.

The NDA thing is bollocks, single sentence in my contract about not releasing confidential info not already in the public domain. Hardly a watertight NDA and certainly nothing about discussing T&Cs - fairly standard employment contract content.

So BALPA is lying?

Jamie2009 9th Feb 2022 11:25

Who knows, I might be lying or they could be, they could be mistaken or I could be mistaken or both of us could be lying or mistaken... who knows.
Perhaps there are conspiracy theories regarding some of the stories that have appeared in the press about Flybe and its being briefed against. Who knows?

If you look at my previous posts I would suggest theres a good chance I am looking at my contract right now.

You'll just have to decide for yourself, either way it matters not.

Saabdriver1 9th Feb 2022 16:25

Another possibility is that your contract is different to those of some others - we simply can't say. But if this is rubbish, there would be every reason for Flybe to say that it's complete rubbish, and then the bit in the paper probably wouldn't have even made it as far as being printed in the first place. I think it says that they declined to comment.

ATNotts 9th Feb 2022 17:00


Originally Posted by Saabdriver1 (Post 11182155)
Another possibility is that your contract is different to those of some others - we simply can't say. But if this is rubbish, there would be every reason for Flybe to say that it's complete rubbish, and then the bit in the paper probably wouldn't have even made it as far as being printed in the first place. I think it says that they declined to comment.

Why they would have different contracts for different people in operational roles I simply don't understand. There would be different contracts for more senior people I suspect.

A more like scenario is that there are bitter people (plenty on here) who have got employment with Flybe and are now trying to cause trouble for their employer, though, to be honest, I fail to see why anyone would do that unless they had managed to find a better offer from elsewhere. Mischief making seems favourite.

wanna 9th Feb 2022 18:45


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 11182164)
Why they would have different contracts for different people in operational roles I simply don't understand. There would be different contracts for more senior people I suspect.

A more like scenario is that there are bitter people (plenty on here) who have got employment with Flybe and are now trying to cause trouble for their employer, though, to be honest, I fail to see why anyone would do that unless they had managed to find a better offer from elsewhere. Mischief making seems favourite.

Thing is though, whilst BALPA are many things to many people... why would they tarnish their reputation so easily / quickly if it wasn't true? Surely they have seen the contract? Hence why they're kicking off?



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