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Surely another factor that affects the UK perhaps more than some other European countries is the reqirement for the overwhelming majority for a 'Britain with sunshine' holiday echoing the commedy sketch (was it Python?) of 'English beer, roast beef and tea like mum makes'. For many somewhere cheap and not 'too foreign' is the No.1 reqirement ahead of the culture of the destination. We aren't alone, the French are similar, the reason Club Med. was set up!
There probably aren't the raw numbers of more adventurous holidaymakers to sustain charters to far flung 'more interesting places' UK away from the Southeast and one or two departure points elsewhere by more than one operator. MAN would be one, BHX perhaps another, and as a long shot BRS if had a decent runway.
There probably aren't the raw numbers of more adventurous holidaymakers to sustain charters to far flung 'more interesting places' UK away from the Southeast and one or two departure points elsewhere by more than one operator. MAN would be one, BHX perhaps another, and as a long shot BRS if had a decent runway.
The routes, in terms of the demand the tour operators experienced did, the airlines mentioned perhaps less so.
One issue with some of the Caribbean island destinations is that many customers may feel they have 'done them' after one trip and look for other new places to go for their next holiday.
One issue with some of the Caribbean island destinations is that many customers may feel they have 'done them' after one trip and look for other new places to go for their next holiday.
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Seems TUI are doing very well on cruise market although do feel single destination trips are declining. A fair few travel companies offer private transfers to the airport in the price making local departures less necessary. in addition quite a few do offer long haul from regional airports using European hubs KLM Iberia AF etc
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This goes for Europe too, why hence Morocco & Albania are new destinations for example. It can be old hat to go to BCN or PRG for some (Not me BTW)
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The incompetent fleet management aside, I see the fall of TUI as starting when they took over First Choice. The German control has done nothing to develop the airline or brand in the UK in any meaningful way. Everything from combined passenger numbers to market share to destinations served is down. But that's in the past. TUI has too much competition for classic short haul, especially now legacy airlines and LCCs offer package holidays as a prices quite often below what TUI does. TUI should just become a scheduled airline at this point and do packages on the side.
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There are quite a lot of long-haul charter destinations served by European airlines that don’t see UK service. Anyone know Nosy Be in Madagascar or Salalah in Oman?! More still when you add in Central/South American and Caribbean places the Canadians go to like Huatulco in Mexico, Rio Hato in Panama.
There are certainly opportunities for long-haul with standards clearly acceptable that lack competition from BA/VS or those from the Middle East. I suspect part of this not being exploited or at least tried is the conservative psyche of the British package customer (perhaps also older Britains more generally) who aren’t comfortable exploring places ‘off the beaten track’. For this there is evidence, for example Thomas Cook (?) tried Sanya in China and that didn’t last long. Tui’s own routes to Langkawi (Malaysia) and Pho Quoc (Vietnam) didn’t return.
There are certainly opportunities for long-haul with standards clearly acceptable that lack competition from BA/VS or those from the Middle East. I suspect part of this not being exploited or at least tried is the conservative psyche of the British package customer (perhaps also older Britains more generally) who aren’t comfortable exploring places ‘off the beaten track’. For this there is evidence, for example Thomas Cook (?) tried Sanya in China and that didn’t last long. Tui’s own routes to Langkawi (Malaysia) and Pho Quoc (Vietnam) didn’t return.
If their social media was full of 20 second videos of a family enjoying a safari in Botswana, a couple learning about the traps of the Viet Cong in Ho Chi Minh, or kids running along the Sky Bridge in Langkawi, all accompanied with captions about Britain's most trusted holiday company making the unexplored world affordable to the Brit, and these new destinations can be explored in style with TUI reps holding your hand every step of the way, the uptake would be much higher than not mentioning them all.
It's not even a new strategy, it's what their predecessors used to do in the holiday hypermarkets before Cancun became big. They had all the brochures out and aggressively pushed Mexico at people.
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Another reason why TUI's long haul programme is in terminal decline: price
I was searching earlier and for a 2 week all inclusive break in the Caribbean, it was cheaper to fly BA in business class with the lie flat bed than TUI's premium economy. Is there really any doubt over which option most people would take?
I was searching earlier and for a 2 week all inclusive break in the Caribbean, it was cheaper to fly BA in business class with the lie flat bed than TUI's premium economy. Is there really any doubt over which option most people would take?
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wonder what this does for Tui Airways?
A sign of things to come?
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...rt-of-packages
A sign of things to come?
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...rt-of-packages
TUI is admitting their business model is failing and are now willingly giving the fox the keys to the henhouse.
The fox won't gorge himself and make a fool of himself in a hurry leading to immediate expulsion. Instead the fox is likely to be clever enough to look round the henhouse and find all the ways he can (apparently) ingratiate himself with the farmer so that the farmer becomes completely dependent upon him and it's far too late to do anything about it.... and then the fox makes long term parasitic use of his keys.
It's the kind of thing that make anti-monopoly regulators get very nervous while they can't do anything about it.
For younger people - think of Dementors
For older people who have seen the film Alien with Sigourney Weaver from 1979 - think of the Chestburster / birth scene
Just my two cents. But it is what I genuinely think.
The fox won't gorge himself and make a fool of himself in a hurry leading to immediate expulsion. Instead the fox is likely to be clever enough to look round the henhouse and find all the ways he can (apparently) ingratiate himself with the farmer so that the farmer becomes completely dependent upon him and it's far too late to do anything about it.... and then the fox makes long term parasitic use of his keys.
It's the kind of thing that make anti-monopoly regulators get very nervous while they can't do anything about it.
For younger people - think of Dementors
For older people who have seen the film Alien with Sigourney Weaver from 1979 - think of the Chestburster / birth scene
Just my two cents. But it is what I genuinely think.
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There's a lot of people who only like package deals for their holidays. This deal opens up whole new avenues, with both parties winning. Ryanair gets more passengers and TUI gets more accommodation/ tour packages sold. Where both companies operate flights it gives consumers more choices for lengths of stay, thus making locations more appealing.
There's a lot of people who only like package deals for their holidays. This deal opens up whole new avenues, with both parties winning. Ryanair gets more passengers and TUI gets more accommodation/ tour packages sold. Where both companies operate flights it gives consumers more choices for lengths of stay, thus making locations more appealing.
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So let me understand this, you book a package holiday with TUI but you might end up flying with Ryanair to your destination?
Surely not?
I would be very disappointed if I booked with TUI and ended up on a Ryanair aircraft.
Surely not?
I would be very disappointed if I booked with TUI and ended up on a Ryanair aircraft.
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What's the main earning season for TUI, the summer. So this now opens increases throughout the year. I have friends who work in TUI shops, so this is going to give them more business in store. With increasing loads can push Ryanair to lay on more rotations.
There's a lot of people who think come on lets book a weekend/ week away on a whim. Now this makes it easier to drop into a shop and book everything in one go.
Can see this partnership catching a few in the companies off guard as to how popular it is going to be.
There's a lot of people who think come on lets book a weekend/ week away on a whim. Now this makes it easier to drop into a shop and book everything in one go.
Can see this partnership catching a few in the companies off guard as to how popular it is going to be.