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[SWBKCB]

The 787 which currently operates through NCL on a part time basis this summer, becomes based next year and operates some SH between LH.

[Boeing737-8]

Originally Posted by OltonPete

With Matt's help, August 2024 is around 800-1000 seats per week down (depends if it is a mix of the 300/325 seat 788) on August 23 but TUI could counter that by saying they have taken a significant amount of seats on the Sun Express Dalaman and Antalya and it would be difficult to dispute as DLM appears to have increased from 3 to 10 per week and AYT from 8 o 12 per week.

Do we really think the BHX aircraft is going to operate BHX-NBE-BFS-NBE-BHX? That will take some convoluted crew sorting.

Pete

Looks as if there is going to be a significant increase in Sun Express flights to the U.K. next year which are offered on TUI packages. Manchester has 3 to DLM / AYT on a Tuesday in 2024. Suppose that has allowed the withdrawals on the 787 from those Turkish routes.

[hatton]

Is it just one 788 that is in short-haul cabin configuration? Does anyone know if the 788s are having major overhauls this winter. I presume this is going to be done in Jordan and not in Luton?

[azz767]

Originally Posted by hatton

Is it just one 788 that is in short-haul cabin configuration? Does anyone know if the 788s are having major overhauls this winter. I presume this is going to be done in Jordan and not in Luton?

3 this summer G-TUIB/D/F but they have regularly had to be subbed onto long haul routes due to different issues. There should be one each at MAN/BHX/LGW but again, regularly this has not been the case.

[samj]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

The 787 which currently operates through NCL on a part time basis this summer, becomes based next year and operates some SH between LH.

I am surprised there is the demand from Newcastle for a 787. I guess it's to save positioning it about, and wasting miles/crew etc?

[LAX2000]

A 789 at LGW operates short haul twice a week RHO and AYT/DLM and similar with the based 789 at BHX operating AYT/DLM.

Manchester seems to have a 789 almost permanently operating short haul.

[Matt995]

TUI 787 Schedule August

see attached pdf showing the 787 schedule for August.

I compiled this information around May, so it might be slightly out to date with flight times, and maybe 788/789 aircraft swaps, but should give you an idea on LH v SH flights.

[hatton]

Thank you, Matt

[Cazza_fly]

Originally Posted by samj

Seems to be more on short haul out of MAN and BHX, with a handful out of LGW. I am also intrigued as to what they do with 787s on short haul next year. Are the 767s really that unreliable they need to go?

The 767s are not unreliable. The 787s have been atrocious this summer. Lease in after lease in to cover endless 787 issues.

The issue with the 767s is that the fleet is now now so small in numbers that they have become inefficient to crew. With the leases planned to come to an end over the next few months or so, it probably makes sense at this point to take the opportunity to unify the fleet types and thus crewing efficiency.

They have provided great additional capacity this summer and throughout their time in the airline, being so easily adaptable from shorthaul into longhaul, especially in the past. This will be hugely missed next summer in particular, but with plenty of pre-planning, I believe TUI will have the right mix going forward.

The best thing for TUI to do in terms of the 787-8s next summer, is to not convert a sub-fleet of them into a Y325 layout. It just adds unnecessary complexity and disappointment. Especially with their poor reliability and the need for swapping aircraft around. The premium cabins can simply just be sold as extra space seats on short-haul flights.

[LiamNCL]

Originally Posted by samj

I am surprised there is the demand from Newcastle for a 787. I guess it's to save positioning it about, and wasting miles/crew etc?

Newcastle becomes a 5x 738 base next summer and the 787 is based for 6 days from what i can see, operating DLM & AYT on Sundays.

[Yeehaw22]

Originally Posted by Cazza_fly

The 767s are not unreliable.

[hatton]

Can anyone confirm that TUI 787 maintenance is done at Luton and 737s at Brussels exclusively or does Luton do 737s as well?

[pabely]

Originally Posted by hatton

Can anyone confirm that TUI 787 maintenance is done at Luton and 737s at Brussels exclusively or does Luton do 737s as well?

Luton does mostly 737s but not unusual to get 787s as well. A TUI Germany 737 was in thus week.

[hatton]

So who does most of TUIs 787 maintenance?

[Boeing737-8]

Originally Posted by hatton

So who does most of TUIs 787 maintenance?

Luton regularly sees the 787 in for maintenance, however, the heavy 787 maintenance is done in Amman.

[Sean North]

Originally Posted by hatton

So who does most of TUIs 787 maintenance?

Joramco in Amman (follow the trail and it's owned by the a member of the Dubai ruling family. Same person as the President of the Dubai Civil Aviation Authority and the CEO of Emirates

[hatton]

Thanks, do TUI have any other base maintenance facilities besides Luton in the UK?

[VickersVicount]

Originally Posted by hatton

Thanks, do TUI have any other base maintenance facilities besides Luton in the UK?

Don’t think so. Reasonably large inhouse line maintenance teams at LGW and MAN. Used to have some at GLA but think its all outsourced now.

[Sean North]

Originally Posted by hatton

Thanks, do TUI have any other base maintenance facilities besides Luton in the UK?

There's an engineering base Zaventem, Belgium. No idea how significant it is but it sees 737s and 787s. There was the main TUI engineering base in Germany somewhere along with ops HQ but I think that closed and got transferred to Luton when the airlines all became TUI

[JonnyH]

Originally Posted by samj

I am surprised there is the demand from Newcastle for a 787. I guess it's to save positioning it about, and wasting miles/crew etc?

NCL is one of their most profitable bases.