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Old 15th May 2023, 14:30
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
The same could be said about the DART at Luton Airport.
Yet that was everywhere with people moaning because they actually had to pay to use it… who knew?!
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Old 15th May 2023, 15:00
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
With the contractor apparently producing/managing an app and AGS adding provision for Construction Updates on the SOU website I would suggest that general public interest was/is anticipated, otherwise why spend the time and money producing them?
I hope you don't mind me asking but your usually a man who knows.

I have not read or seen anything recently regarding the northern taxiway. I have asked the airport on their LinkedIn page but with no real direct answer.

Do you know if it is going ahead as part of the construction of the runway extension. It would be a great shame if it wasn't built at the same time with the construction company and equipment already in place.

Regarding interest, as you rightly pointed out, lots of local interest regarding the long awaited runway extension. Perhaps the people of Luton don't take much interest in their local airport as we do.
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Old 15th May 2023, 15:30
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
I hope you don't mind me asking but your usually a man who knows.

I have not read or seen anything recently regarding the northern taxiway. I have asked the airport on their LinkedIn page but with no real direct answer.

Do you know if it is going ahead as part of the construction of the runway extension. It would be a great shame if it wasn't built at the same time with the construction company and equipment already in place.

Regarding interest, as you rightly pointed out, lots of local interest regarding the long awaited runway extension. Perhaps the people of Luton don't take much interest in their local airport as we do.
No northern taxiway in this phase of construction (phase 2 I believe) and instead the current building works are concentrated on runway extension and stands 1-5 being reconfigured to accommodate x 4 320/737
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Old 15th May 2023, 15:54
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Originally Posted by stewyb
No northern taxiway in this phase of construction (phase 2 I believe) and instead the current building works are concentrated on runway extension and stands 1-5 being reconfigured to accommodate x 4 320/737
Roll on Phase 2, in the mean time commiserations to the NATS Tower controllers, RWY 20 backtracks could often be a p-i-a, the extra 164 metres is going to increase the frequency of irritation.

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Old 15th May 2023, 16:03
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I'd like to assume that stands 2-5 are to be reconfigured to 3 A320 capable. I stated 3 stands as stands 2-5 are to supposed to be reconfigured. Stand 1 will eventually be lost to an extension to the terminal.

But I hope you are correct with that information when you state that it's actually going ahead at this time. Again I asked this question on the airports LinkedIn page a few months ago with no real direct answer.

Regarding "phase 2", when is that going to happen and what will it involve other than the northern taxiway.

I know that finances are tight but the airport would benefit from doing as much now as possible so that it's in a better state for any future expansion. If it's left to "later" it might not ever happen.
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Old 15th May 2023, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
I'd like to assume that stands 2-5 are to be reconfigured to 3 A320 capable. I stated 3 stands as stands 2-5 are to supposed to be reconfigured. Stand 1 will eventually be lost to an extension to the terminal.

But I hope you are correct with that information when you state that it's actually going ahead at this time. Again I asked this question on the airports LinkedIn page a few months ago with no real direct answer.

Regarding "phase 2", when is that going to happen and what will it involve other than the northern taxiway.

I know that finances are tight but the airport would benefit from doing as much now as possible so that it's in a better state for any future expansion. If it's left to "later" it might not ever happen.
Agreed that now would be an opportune time to add a taxiway from 14 out to runway (although not full length and never has been on current plans submitted). To confirm 1-5 is being made to 4 larger in the cul-de-sac, thus small stand 1 being incorporated within new footprint
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Old 15th May 2023, 16:47
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean

Regarding no one would be interested. The same could be said about the DART at Luton Airport.
Different as chalk and cheese. The runway extension is not being funded by the council taxpayer nor will it leave the Southampton taxpayer with a £186m write down on a £300m bill, as per the auditors report.

The Southampton runway extension is being funded by business, which is how it should be.


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Old 15th May 2023, 18:50
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Different as chalk and cheese. The runway extension is not being funded by the council taxpayer nor will it leave the Southampton taxpayer with a £186m write down on a £300m bill, as per the auditors report.

The Southampton runway extension is being funded by business, which is how it should be.
A Luton council regime change chance missed at the recent local authority elections? Maybe time for the taxpayer burden to be off-loaded by an airport sell off?

Thank you for a positive comment in the last paragraph of your post.

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Old 15th May 2023, 22:38
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Was once a regular flyer between Scotland and Southampton, using the airport as a gateway to the rest of the South Coast. Pre-COVID I’d always be happy with Flybe at <£100 return, however cheapest I’ve seen on Loganair is closer to £200.

Need to get back down there in a few weeks, it’s either Loganair at £250 or Ryanair to Bournemouth at £40 return, and I’m afraid I think the choice is pretty obvious. Sorry lads, SOU is one of my favourite little airports but Loganair and their absurd pricing really doesn’t cut it.
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Old 16th May 2023, 08:02
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If FR are only charging £40Return, then they're losing money, unless they succeed in screwing you for lots of extras.
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Old 16th May 2023, 08:52
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You may be unhappy that Loganair’s fares tend to be higher than Flybe’s were but Loganair is still here. Nuff said.
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Jonathan Hinkles, chief executive of Glasgow-based Loganair, admitted that was a “very difficult message”, but said travellers had to make “conscious decisions” about who they flew with if they wanted to use the same route in the winter. It follows no-frills airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair launching UK summer routes from Scotland over the last few years in competition with Loganair which operated on only a few days a week, with some subsequently being scrapped....

...Speaking to The Scotsman in the first part of Future Flight, our new series on Scottish aviation, he said: "People say 'I can get a cheaper flight on a Thursday in June', and yes you can, but when you want to fly on a Tuesday in February, you won't see them for dust, but we are going to be there. If you want the year-round service of three flights every weekday come rain or shine, we will provide that consistency. If that’s what you want as a customer, please support us.
The Scotsman - Future Flight: ‘Very difficult message’ that year-round Scottish flights cost more than summer-only budget airlines’ fares – Loganair chief executive Jonathan Hinkles
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Old 16th May 2023, 14:41
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For those of you who maybe just a tad interested Jet2 are to base 4 aircraft at Liverpool LPL from next summer 2024.

British Airways BACF are at the moment contracted to TUI Holidays for 2 x weekly charters from SOU to Palma May-Sept on TUES and SATS,

It seems that the BACF program is returning to SOU as the FAO and AGP flights have been now been loaded on the BA.com booking system starting at the end of April 2024.

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Jonathan Hinkles, chief executive of Glasgow-based Loganair, admitted that was a “very difficult message”, but said travellers had to make “conscious decisions” about who they flew with if they wanted to use the same route in the winter. It follows no-frills airlines such as Easyjet and Ryanair launching UK summer routes from Scotland over the last few years in competition with Loganair which operated on only a few days a week, with some subsequently being scrapped....
...Speaking to The Scotsman in the first part of Future Flight, our new series on Scottish aviation, he said: "People say 'I can get a cheaper flight on a Thursday in June', and yes you can, but when you want to fly on a Tuesday in February, you won't see them for dust, but we are going to be there. If you want the year-round service of three flights every weekday come rain or shine, we will provide that consistency. If that’s what you want as a customer, please support us.

Yes, a very fair comment and sound observations,

However it is eye watering that a recent SOU-GLA-SOU flight I checked on to fly up a couple of weeks ago was well over £300 return.
It did fly though, at the very times I needed;
The Ryanair alternative, albeit flying to EDI from BOH was £29 each way, plus whatever extras I wanted.
BA full service fare from LHR was around £200 return.


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Old 16th May 2023, 14:54
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Originally Posted by rog747
For those of you who maybe just a tad interested Jet2 are to base 4 aircraft at Liverpool LPL from next summer 2024.

British Airways BACF are at the moment contracted to TUI Holidays for 2 x weekly charters from SOU to Palma May-Sept on TUES and SATS,

and it seems that the BACF program is returning to SOU as the FAO and AGP flights have been now been loaded on the BA.com booking system starting at the end of April.
Great news that BA seem to be returning next summer. Will be interesting to see if they have any competition on the Med/French routes
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Old 16th May 2023, 14:59
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Great news that BA seem to be returning next summer. Will be interesting to see if they have any competition on the Med/French routes
Fingers crossed, it does of course, mean that BA are hopefully upbeat of decent figures for this summer first.

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Originally Posted by N123JB
Was once a regular flyer between Scotland and Southampton, using the airport as a gateway to the rest of the South Coast. Pre-COVID I’d always be happy with Flybe at <£100 return, however cheapest I’ve seen on Loganair is closer to £200.

Need to get back down there in a few weeks, it’s either Loganair at £250 or Ryanair to Bournemouth at £40 return, and I’m afraid I think the choice is pretty obvious. Sorry lads, SOU is one of my favourite little airports but Loganair and their absurd pricing really doesn’t cut it.
if you compare apples to apples (check in bag) then it comes out as Ryanair at £96 return and Loganair £131. However Loganair is four times per day and takes you straight to the Southampton train line at the terminal. Ryanair is 4 times per week and you will either need a taxi (£25) to the train station in Bournemouth or a friend who will likely be paying £5/7.50 drop off fee. The train fare from Bournemouth station to Southampton is £13 one way. Not to mention the time it takes to get to Southampton.
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ALC announced as next EZY base, that’s core sun routes of PMI/AGP/FAO/ALC (away based) sorted for SOU in S24!

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Old 24th May 2023, 18:59
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
ALC announced as next EZY base, that’s core sun routes of PMI/AGP/FAO/ALC (away based) sorted for SOU in S24!
Are you jumping ahead of yourself AGAIN 😉

As much as I would love to see EasyJet fly those 'sun routes' to SOU I'm not being too optimistic about it actually happening until the day it is officially confirmed.

Until that time I take everything I read on pprune about EasyJet and SOU with a pinch of salt.

If EasyJet did indeed expand from SOU I would personally love to see service from BCN. I regularly fly to BCN, more often than not from LHR with BA. It pains me to think that I can't currently fly from my local airport to BCN especially as I pass it on the M27 on my way to join the M3.

It's a shame that the previous Vueling flight from BCN to SOU didn't last long. I used it once and it would be great to see Vueling make another go at BCN to SOU. Even though Vueling have a base at LGW I can see a return of BCN to SOU working for the airline, especially with a BA code share.

But throughout my life I've never taken anything seriously until something has been officially confirmed. From my early year's as a young plane spotter I remember the endless rumours. It's what actually put me off plane spotting by my mid teens.
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As much as I would love to see EasyJet fly those 'sun routes' to SOU I'm not being too optimistic about it actually happening until the day it is officially confirmed.
Suggest we come back tomorrow.
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