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Sorry Guys and Ladies,
but how many times do we need to make you all aware that it's not gonna happen at SOU with Jet2, as the 737-800 flying economically into or out of SOU is not possible with the runway there, and with the clearway/obstacle clearance issues which are a way different criteria to that of Southend SEN.
Jet2 do have 737-300's for now, that are suitable.
Hence as to why also no TUI nor Ryanair seen at SOU.
The A320 is what is suitable for SOU but Jet2 do not take their new A320N deliveries until 2028.
Jet2's spiritual home is BOH, but in IMO I cannot see them going there and taking on an even bigger TUI and Ryanair there, who are both now basing 2 x 737's for S24.
but how many times do we need to make you all aware that it's not gonna happen at SOU with Jet2, as the 737-800 flying economically into or out of SOU is not possible with the runway there, and with the clearway/obstacle clearance issues which are a way different criteria to that of Southend SEN.
Jet2 do have 737-300's for now, that are suitable.
Hence as to why also no TUI nor Ryanair seen at SOU.
The A320 is what is suitable for SOU but Jet2 do not take their new A320N deliveries until 2028.
Jet2's spiritual home is BOH, but in IMO I cannot see them going there and taking on an even bigger TUI and Ryanair there, who are both now basing 2 x 737's for S24.
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Apart from flying their 737-300's in and out of SOU,
Jet2 would need to look (most very carefully) at the 189 seat 737-800NG FCOM and Ops manuals for the performance figures for SOU's runways.
They might be in for a shock when they find they can't get anywhere near a full load on in, or out flying non-stop to Palma, or even Gerona.
I doubt that they would have the stomach to take such an economic hit on the obvious payload limits, or face an expensive pop in to BOH for fuel on the way...
Not gonna happen.
IMO a new Jet2 base could be, with my money would go to: LPL, MME, CWL in that order; with EXT or BOH as rank outsiders.
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Jet2 would need to look (most very carefully) at the 189 seat 737-800NG FCOM and Ops manuals for the performance figures for SOU's runways.
They might be in for a shock when they find they can't get anywhere near a full load on in, or out flying non-stop to Palma, or even Gerona.
I doubt that they would have the stomach to take such an economic hit on the obvious payload limits, or face an expensive pop in to BOH for fuel on the way...
Not gonna happen.
IMO a new Jet2 base could be, with my money would go to: LPL, MME, CWL in that order; with EXT or BOH as rank outsiders.
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Apart from flying their 737-300's in and out of SOU,
Jet2 would need to look (most very carefully) at the 189 seat 737-800NG FCOM and Ops manuals for the performance figures for SOU's runways.
They might be in for a shock when they find they can't get anywhere near a full load on in, or out flying non-stop to Palma, or even Gerona.
I doubt that they would have the stomach to take such an economic hit on the obvious payload limits, or face an expensive pop in to BOH for fuel on the way...
Not gonna happen.
IMO a new Jet2 base could be, with my money would go to: LPL, MME, CWL in that order; with EXT or BOH as rank outsiders.
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Jet2 would need to look (most very carefully) at the 189 seat 737-800NG FCOM and Ops manuals for the performance figures for SOU's runways.
They might be in for a shock when they find they can't get anywhere near a full load on in, or out flying non-stop to Palma, or even Gerona.
I doubt that they would have the stomach to take such an economic hit on the obvious payload limits, or face an expensive pop in to BOH for fuel on the way...
Not gonna happen.
IMO a new Jet2 base could be, with my money would go to: LPL, MME, CWL in that order; with EXT or BOH as rank outsiders.
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LGW is the only logical next step if there really is to be a new base and assuming they do not change their strategy to focus on much smaller bases.
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LPL would seem the obvious choice for a number of reasons if this rumour is true. They are close enough to Manchester to staff the base from there intially, Liverpool has both the terminal capacity and more than sufficient stands available. A considerable number of their Manchest customers must surely come from the Lverpools City region and North Wales. Manchester has capacity problems during redevlopment - reported elsewhere that Easyjet have been told not to operate UK domestic departures from MAN because of this. There is no competition with any other full package holiday operator at Liverpool, - Easyjet holidays offering is somehat different to Jet2´s
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I cant see any airline like Jet 2,Easy etc operating a base out of SOU,first of all 737-800 operations area a non starter due to runway restrictions and obstacles,320 operations yes,but the airport opening hours restrictions preclude basing aircraft for operations. The main hope is W operations from european bases,this might happen in the future,but time will tale. SOU needs the Sun routes to make a profit,there's a longway to go before this happens.
LPL close to MAN (but not impossible) MME wedged between LBA and NCL with a tiny core catchment area, don’t see the logic. CWL next door to their newest base.
LGW is the only logical next step if there really is to be a new base and assuming they do not change their strategy to focus on much smaller bases.
LGW is the only logical next step if there really is to be a new base and assuming they do not change their strategy to focus on much smaller bases.
However,
I cannot see Jet2 coming to make a base at SEN (as much as folk and spotters may like it) because their newish base up the road at STN is doing rather well -
However the opportunity is there for them if they were to take the risk (but Jet2 tend not to take risks, and SEN's operational hours are too restrictive to an IT airline).
They won't IMHO, go to LGW - Jet2 like to self-handle, and I'm not sure they would be able to do that at LGW, plus the slots issue and the high costs.
As for LPL - seems possibly the highest poll votes amongst the current web chit chats lol.
The LPL catchment area is immense with no major Tour Operator competitor there so could be a player for Jet2.
If Jet2 had the A320N now then IMHO a SOU base for them offering summer holidays and ski would be a goer for their Commercial chaps to do their sums on.
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Southend's rumour mill is in melt down over Jet2's ''new base''
However,
I cannot see Jet2 coming to make a base at SEN (as much as folk and spotters may like it) because their newish base up the road at STN is doing rather well -
However the opportunity is there for them if they were to take the risk (but Jet2 tend not to take risks, and SEN's operational hours are too restrictive to an IT airline).
They won't IMHO, go to LGW - Jet2 like to self-handle, and I'm not sure they would be able to do that at LGW, plus the slots issue and the high costs.
As for LPL - seems possibly the highest poll votes amongst the current web chit chats lol.
The LPL catchment area is immense with no major Tour Operator competitor there so could be a player for Jet2.
If Jet2 had the A320N now then IMHO a SOU base for them offering summer holidays and ski would be a goer for their Commercial chaps to do their sums on.
However,
I cannot see Jet2 coming to make a base at SEN (as much as folk and spotters may like it) because their newish base up the road at STN is doing rather well -
However the opportunity is there for them if they were to take the risk (but Jet2 tend not to take risks, and SEN's operational hours are too restrictive to an IT airline).
They won't IMHO, go to LGW - Jet2 like to self-handle, and I'm not sure they would be able to do that at LGW, plus the slots issue and the high costs.
As for LPL - seems possibly the highest poll votes amongst the current web chit chats lol.
The LPL catchment area is immense with no major Tour Operator competitor there so could be a player for Jet2.
If Jet2 had the A320N now then IMHO a SOU base for them offering summer holidays and ski would be a goer for their Commercial chaps to do their sums on.
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point taken, however the airport has always said that the runway will be viable for 320/737 ops once complete and it’s no secret that they are courting tour operators/LCC’s so to suggest that they won’t be going after the likes of Jet2 is probably naive. Also the airport boss is ex Jet2 director so this might assist in any conversations, assuming of course they departed on amicable terms!
point taken, however the airport has always said that the runway will be viable for 320/737 ops once complete and it’s no secret that they are courting tour operators/LCC’s so to suggest that they won’t be going after the likes of Jet2 is probably naive. Also the airport boss is ex Jet2 director so this might assist in any conversations, assuming of course they departed on amicable terms!
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It is not just theoretical take-off performance that should be considered, but rather each companies procedures for using things like de-rate where possible, which require longer take-off runs without payload restrictions. This is where you might have an issue, but that would be down to business and commercial decisions no doubt.
Maybe although RYR didn’t see this as a problem at SEN when basing aircraft. I think they also used SFP models to aid field performance as well, of which I know Jet2 also have the same
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Likewise, I too, have not seen any news or any rumours as to Easyjet making inroads to expand at SOU.
Only SEN Southend has seen EZY's small and cautious return there with 4 (very short season) routes - But a good sign though is that the uptake is most positive.
If Easyjet are making plans at SOU for a few summer leisure routes for Summer 2024 (especially if BACF do pull out of SOU)
then the likes of Faro, Palma, Malaga and possibly Venice are the main 'players' as EZY Euro have bases there.
EZY have no Canaries bases so not sure if they would be looked at, unless W flights were flown into SOU.
The Canaries anyway, are more than well covered from BOH LGW and BRS and those Islands are more busy in the winter.
EZY Switzerland do the winter GVA flights for SOU and BOH.
They also have a large Basel base, which used to be a very popular summer destination for Brits.
I doubt they will take on UK Domestics, although LPL GLA and MAN could be candidates -
The train or the drive from the SOU area to LPL and MAN is a nightmare and thus a Low Cost on those routes rather than a high cost niche local airline could work...
However their foray into BOH did not work with EDI BFS and LPL which was a short lived venture set up at a very weird and difficult time;
but BOH Domestics have never succeeded historically.
Only SEN Southend has seen EZY's small and cautious return there with 4 (very short season) routes - But a good sign though is that the uptake is most positive.
If Easyjet are making plans at SOU for a few summer leisure routes for Summer 2024 (especially if BACF do pull out of SOU)
then the likes of Faro, Palma, Malaga and possibly Venice are the main 'players' as EZY Euro have bases there.
EZY have no Canaries bases so not sure if they would be looked at, unless W flights were flown into SOU.
The Canaries anyway, are more than well covered from BOH LGW and BRS and those Islands are more busy in the winter.
EZY Switzerland do the winter GVA flights for SOU and BOH.
They also have a large Basel base, which used to be a very popular summer destination for Brits.
I doubt they will take on UK Domestics, although LPL GLA and MAN could be candidates -
The train or the drive from the SOU area to LPL and MAN is a nightmare and thus a Low Cost on those routes rather than a high cost niche local airline could work...
However their foray into BOH did not work with EDI BFS and LPL which was a short lived venture set up at a very weird and difficult time;
but BOH Domestics have never succeeded historically.
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