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"Residents with the equidistant geography between SOU or LHR would naturally flow to LHR."
Not totally sure about that - SOU has advantages IF they make the best of them - ease of transiting the airport is one, getting to the actual terminal is another. Not everyone likes a drive up the M3 and the trains don't go right to LHR
Not totally sure about that - SOU has advantages IF they make the best of them - ease of transiting the airport is one, getting to the actual terminal is another. Not everyone likes a drive up the M3 and the trains don't go right to LHR
"Residents with the equidistant geography between SOU or LHR would naturally flow to LHR."
My SOU trips were nearly always daytrips aswell. SOU made that easy as, for example, at LHR it's just not possible to be driving out of the airport 10 minutes after getting off the aeroplane. I lament that many of these daytrip options now seem to be increasingly unavailable.
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Some facts to clear up some confusion:
- A direct quote from the airport was that it cannot be profitable with the likes of Loganair serving regional routes. So it needs the scale of a low cost operator as a regional the size of Flybe is unlikely ever to happen again. So let’s all stop caring about bloody Loganair! They have been making hay whilst the sun-shined but are of no use to a profitable airport that want thousands using their shops, parking and facilities rather than a hundred or so. Please let this sink in as it’s direct from the airport and puts any debate of a low cost operator vs a regional to bed. It’s a low cost operator or nothing in today’s world.
- Frequency and the ability to do a day trip is a nice to have but I bet you can fly Easy to Glasgow, get a hotel for the night and a meal and still have paid less than a day return on Logan. Less frequency is only going to be an issue for a very small amount of people.
- It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Emerald as things stand are doing very well and are seeing growth. Having the Aer Lingus code share and brand gives them an edge. It’s the same reason why Easy could probably do AMS and KLM still stay with its world connections.
- The current rumours are that more routes will be added but from aircraft based elsewhere. Other bases have grown this way. You can still have a crew base in SOU but no aircraft based.
-Easy are now starting to rapidly add new aircraft so will now have capacity for growth.
- A direct quote from the airport was that it cannot be profitable with the likes of Loganair serving regional routes. So it needs the scale of a low cost operator as a regional the size of Flybe is unlikely ever to happen again. So let’s all stop caring about bloody Loganair! They have been making hay whilst the sun-shined but are of no use to a profitable airport that want thousands using their shops, parking and facilities rather than a hundred or so. Please let this sink in as it’s direct from the airport and puts any debate of a low cost operator vs a regional to bed. It’s a low cost operator or nothing in today’s world.
- Frequency and the ability to do a day trip is a nice to have but I bet you can fly Easy to Glasgow, get a hotel for the night and a meal and still have paid less than a day return on Logan. Less frequency is only going to be an issue for a very small amount of people.
- It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Emerald as things stand are doing very well and are seeing growth. Having the Aer Lingus code share and brand gives them an edge. It’s the same reason why Easy could probably do AMS and KLM still stay with its world connections.
- The current rumours are that more routes will be added but from aircraft based elsewhere. Other bases have grown this way. You can still have a crew base in SOU but no aircraft based.
-Easy are now starting to rapidly add new aircraft so will now have capacity for growth.
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If we're dealing in facts as you suggest, there's nowhere on the easyJet network where they do that. Any crew base has aircraft based there. It's ludicrous to suggest they might have Southampton-based crew but no Southampton-based aircraft.
They do nightstop away from base in a few locations - ABZ, INV, BHD and JER spring to mind for Gatwick - but that's about as far as it goes.
They do nightstop away from base in a few locations - ABZ, INV, BHD and JER spring to mind for Gatwick - but that's about as far as it goes.
"Gosh! This is an epiphany moment. Quite right, accentuate the positive."
I see SOU has a place - but not the millions of PAX a year that the fanclub think will use it. And I pointed out a few months back that their lack of advertising is a real issue - if people in Basingstoke don't realise there's an airport down the road how will they ever manage to keep it afloat?
I see SOU has a place - but not the millions of PAX a year that the fanclub think will use it. And I pointed out a few months back that their lack of advertising is a real issue - if people in Basingstoke don't realise there's an airport down the road how will they ever manage to keep it afloat?
The usual suspects having a field day I see. I have repeatedly posted stats that prove the Belfast city route hasn’t been affected by Easy’s new route to the other Belfast airport. In fact the city route grew. Logan are clearly going through a difficult patch with losing pilots and availability of ATR parts, new planes. Also the sale of the business hanging over their heads. The CEO that left recently could obviously see what was on the horizon. None of this has anything to do with SOU or Easy. The fact they still operate 145s when no other big operator in Europe does was always a red flag.
Most importantly, let’s approach this factually. The loss of Logan on the Glasgow route means only a loss of 147 passengers. Hardly the end of the world. I still feel like there is a place for Logan operating one super early and one late night flight to cater for people after a full day either end. But I also can see Easy doing two daily flights. Perhaps a based aircraft could fly down from Glasgow in the morning do a few routes from SOU and then fly back up to Glasgow in the evening.
Most importantly, let’s approach this factually. The loss of Logan on the Glasgow route means only a loss of 147 passengers. Hardly the end of the world. I still feel like there is a place for Logan operating one super early and one late night flight to cater for people after a full day either end. But I also can see Easy doing two daily flights. Perhaps a based aircraft could fly down from Glasgow in the morning do a few routes from SOU and then fly back up to Glasgow in the evening.
1) High frequency, higher cost on a turboprop or an ERJ
2) High volume, low cost, poor frequency on an A320 series
With a SOU sized market, there's no room for both. No point raging at Loganair when they do exactly what they were expected to do to survive.
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SOU 2023 Full Year Route Breakdown
A break from the usual arguments/repeated posts/personal attacks:
Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.
UK
Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)
Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)
Total UK - 493,119
Republic of Ireland
Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)
France
Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)
Total France - 17,921
Netherlands
Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)
Switzerland
Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)
Austria
Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)
Spain
Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)
Total Spain - 21,219
Portugal
Faro - 3,766 (-4%)
Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.
UK
Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)
Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)
Total UK - 493,119
Republic of Ireland
Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)
France
Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)
Total France - 17,921
Netherlands
Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)
Switzerland
Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)
Austria
Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)
Spain
Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)
Total Spain - 21,219
Portugal
Faro - 3,766 (-4%)
Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
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What is the source of your data? The CAA table 12.3 gives slightly different numbers (not that it matters)
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A break from the usual arguments/repeated posts/personal attacks:
Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.
UK
Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)
Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)
Total UK - 493,119
Republic of Ireland
Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)
France
Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)
Total France - 17,921
Netherlands
Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)
Switzerland
Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)
Austria
Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)
Spain
Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)
Total Spain - 21,219
Portugal
Faro - 3,766 (-4%)
Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.
UK
Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)
Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)
Total UK - 493,119
Republic of Ireland
Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)
France
Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)
Total France - 17,921
Netherlands
Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)
Switzerland
Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)
Austria
Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)
Spain
Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)
Total Spain - 21,219
Portugal
Faro - 3,766 (-4%)
Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
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A break from the usual arguments/repeated posts/personal attacks:
Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.
UK
Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)
Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)
Total UK - 493,119
Republic of Ireland
Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)
France
Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)
Total France - 17,921
Netherlands
Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)
Switzerland
Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)
Austria
Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)
Spain
Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)
Total Spain - 21,219
Portugal
Faro - 3,766 (-4%)
Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.
UK
Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)
Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)
Total UK - 493,119
Republic of Ireland
Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)
France
Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)
Total France - 17,921
Netherlands
Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)
Switzerland
Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)
Austria
Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)
Spain
Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)
Total Spain - 21,219
Portugal
Faro - 3,766 (-4%)
Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
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