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Old 28th Apr 2024, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Residents with the equidistant geography between SOU or LHR would naturally flow to LHR."

Not totally sure about that - SOU has advantages IF they make the best of them - ease of transiting the airport is one, getting to the actual terminal is another. Not everyone likes a drive up the M3 and the trains don't go right to LHR
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 12:13
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"Residents with the equidistant geography between SOU or LHR would naturally flow to LHR."
Don't agree either. I live in West Berks, about 40 miles from LHR and SOU. Back a few years ago when I was flying for work trips I always used SOU to go to places like JER, GCI, BHD and GLA. LHR (or LGW) for longer-haul stuff.

My SOU trips were nearly always daytrips aswell. SOU made that easy as, for example, at LHR it's just not possible to be driving out of the airport 10 minutes after getting off the aeroplane. I lament that many of these daytrip options now seem to be increasingly unavailable.

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Old 28th Apr 2024, 13:13
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Some facts to clear up some confusion:

- A direct quote from the airport was that it cannot be profitable with the likes of Loganair serving regional routes. So it needs the scale of a low cost operator as a regional the size of Flybe is unlikely ever to happen again. So letís all stop caring about bloody Loganair! They have been making hay whilst the sun-shined but are of no use to a profitable airport that want thousands using their shops, parking and facilities rather than a hundred or so. Please let this sink in as itís direct from the airport and puts any debate of a low cost operator vs a regional to bed. Itís a low cost operator or nothing in todayís world.

- Frequency and the ability to do a day trip is a nice to have but I bet you can fly Easy to Glasgow, get a hotel for the night and a meal and still have paid less than a day return on Logan. Less frequency is only going to be an issue for a very small amount of people.

- It doesnít have to be one or the other. Emerald as things stand are doing very well and are seeing growth. Having the Aer Lingus code share and brand gives them an edge. Itís the same reason why Easy could probably do AMS and KLM still stay with its world connections.

- The current rumours are that more routes will be added but from aircraft based elsewhere. Other bases have grown this way. You can still have a crew base in SOU but no aircraft based.

-Easy are now starting to rapidly add new aircraft so will now have capacity for growth.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
You can still have a crew base in SOU but no aircraft based.
If we're dealing in facts as you suggest, there's nowhere on the easyJet network where they do that. Any crew base has aircraft based there. It's ludicrous to suggest they might have Southampton-based crew but no Southampton-based aircraft.

They do nightstop away from base in a few locations - ABZ, INV, BHD and JER spring to mind for Gatwick - but that's about as far as it goes.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 13:39
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Hopefully easyJet will add another couple of routes for this winter season.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 14:56
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"Gosh! This is an epiphany moment. Quite right, accentuate the positive."

I see SOU has a place - but not the millions of PAX a year that the fanclub think will use it. And I pointed out a few months back that their lack of advertising is a real issue - if people in Basingstoke don't realise there's an airport down the road how will they ever manage to keep it afloat?
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
The usual suspects having a field day I see. I have repeatedly posted stats that prove the Belfast city route hasnít been affected by Easyís new route to the other Belfast airport. In fact the city route grew. Logan are clearly going through a difficult patch with losing pilots and availability of ATR parts, new planes. Also the sale of the business hanging over their heads. The CEO that left recently could obviously see what was on the horizon. None of this has anything to do with SOU or Easy. The fact they still operate 145s when no other big operator in Europe does was always a red flag.

Most importantly, letís approach this factually. The loss of Logan on the Glasgow route means only a loss of 147 passengers. Hardly the end of the world. I still feel like there is a place for Logan operating one super early and one late night flight to cater for people after a full day either end. But I also can see Easy doing two daily flights. Perhaps a based aircraft could fly down from Glasgow in the morning do a few routes from SOU and then fly back up to Glasgow in the evening.
This from the man who got his arse handed to him on the Loganair thread for an angry rant about he can't comprehend Loganair and they're doomed to failure for abandoning Southampton for "barren Scottish islands". What you're continually ignoring after having it spelled out to you, is SOU can have one of two things on a route.
1) High frequency, higher cost on a turboprop or an ERJ
2) High volume, low cost, poor frequency on an A320 series

With a SOU sized market, there's no room for both. No point raging at Loganair when they do exactly what they were expected to do to survive.
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 18:33
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SOU 2023 Full Year Route Breakdown

A break from the usual arguments/repeated posts/personal attacks:

Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.


UK

Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)

Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)


Total UK - 493,119

Republic of Ireland

Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)

France

Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)

Total France - 17,921

Netherlands

Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)

Switzerland

Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)

Austria

Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)

Spain

Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)

Total Spain - 21,219

Portugal

Faro - 3,766 (-4%)


Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
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Old 28th Apr 2024, 20:19
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Originally Posted by adfly
Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022...
What is the source of your data? The CAA table 12.3 gives slightly different numbers (not that it matters)


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Old 28th Apr 2024, 20:23
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Originally Posted by Ascupart
What is the source of your data? The CAA table 12.3 gives slightly different numbers (not that it matters)

The same tables in a different document has different numbers! There is presumably a counting detail difference between them. https://www.caa.co.uk/Documents/Down...accf0d90/16429
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 05:18
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Some facts to clear up some confusion:

- The current rumours are that more routes will be added but from aircraft based elsewhere. Other bases have grown this way. You can still have a crew base in SOU but no aircraft based.

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So how would that work without some non based flight crew day stopping at SOU while a SOU crew took over?

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Old 29th Apr 2024, 10:53
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Originally Posted by adfly
A break from the usual arguments/repeated posts/personal attacks:

Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.


UK

Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)

Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)


Total UK - 493,119

Republic of Ireland

Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)

France

Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)

Total France - 17,921

Netherlands

Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)

Switzerland

Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)

Austria

Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)

Spain

Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)

Total Spain - 21,219

Portugal

Faro - 3,766 (-4%)


Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
Some great figures there. Circa 90k on Glasgow and Edinburgh is food for thought for the likes of Easy. Letís not forget that those numbers are largely from people paying Loganair prices so imagine what the numbers could be if both routes were served by Easy? Belfast, Dublin and Amsterdam also very strong.
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 13:27
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Interview with Christopher Tibbett, Aviation Director, AGS Airports, at Routes Europe 2024.

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Old 29th Apr 2024, 15:08
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Originally Posted by adfly
A break from the usual arguments/repeated posts/personal attacks:

Summary of passenger numbers & changes on all regular scheduled and charter routes for 2023, including % change on 2022.


UK

Aberdeen - 6,115 (+95%)
Alderney - 17,214 (+1%)
Belfast City - 79,810 (+32%)
Belfast International - 5,332 (New)

Edinburgh - 89,058 (+9%)
Glasgow - 87,044 (+16%)
Guernsey - 97,466 (+1%)
Jersey - 99,895 (+0%)
Manchester - 5,515 (-49%)
Newcastle - 46,908 (+20%)
Stornoway - 5,201 (New)


Total UK - 493,119

Republic of Ireland

Dublin - 76,300 (+150%)

France

Bergerac - 3,452 (-53%)
Chambery - 4,445 (+47%)
Limoges - 981 (-65%)
Paris Orly - 9,043 (New)

Total France - 17,921

Netherlands

Amsterdam - 86,015 (+63%)

Switzerland

Geneva - 17,934 (+92%)

Austria

Salzburg - 1,895 (+46%)

Spain

Alicante - 1,112 (-73%)
Palma - 16,239 (+27%)
Malaga - 3,868 (-48%)

Total Spain - 21,219

Portugal

Faro - 3,766 (-4%)


Total Overall - 754,931 (+20%, includes charters/one off flights/diversions etc)
Thanks Adfly, good data as ever. Apart from numbers for the Channel Islands, EDI/LM with 90k seems to have held up well (but with limited growth) and there has no doubt been some leakage to Ryanair at BOH with 48k on the same route. With this in mind, I would stake money on easyJet jumping on this from October with a daily 320 that would deliver well over 100k seats. LM coming off GLA means easyjet may see this as a time to move in for the kill. Really hard on LM when they delivered a decent recovery for the airport after Covid/BE but I guess this is how the big, bad, ruthless LCC operate!
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 18:32
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It's the nature of the business. Flybe and Air Southwest for example.
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Old 30th Apr 2024, 10:09
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"how the big, bad, ruthless LCC operate!"

ye s- the people who bring cheap fares to the masses and fly to all sorts of places the "legacy" flag carriers could never bother about
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Old 30th Apr 2024, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"how the big, bad, ruthless LCC operate!"

ye s- the people who bring cheap fares to the masses and fly to all sorts of places the "legacy" flag carriers could never bother about
Was said tongue in cheek
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Old 30th Apr 2024, 17:27
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
Was said tongue in cheek
apologies its hard to tell on this thread TBH
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Old 1st May 2024, 08:25
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I see EasyJet has just flown a new A320 neo on the Southampton to Glasgow route. Is this a first for the airport?


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Old 1st May 2024, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Ascupart
I see EasyJet has just flown a new A320 neo on the Southampton to Glasgow route. Is this a first for the airport?

easyjet regularly fly in the NEO and believe they first appeared a couple of winters ago on GVA
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