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Old 11th Oct 2023, 08:40
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Quote from the fire chief“Asked if there were sprinklers in the car park, fire chief Andy Hopkinson says "not that I'm aware of".

He says the fire service would recommend to the airport that sprinklers are fitted in any redevelopment of the car park.

He also tells gathered reporters that the car park being opened from the side would have allowed the fire to spread "horizontally" before it went up through the building.”

Also suggested a diesel car was the source, this aligns with the Norwegian airport fire source.
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash
I know that all vehicles that enter the terminal area have to go round that car park....did they build a alternate road so say busses could acces as normal but by pass the car park road to exit....
just asking as that would get traffic ( busses ) moving to Mid Term and Long Term etc.
Hopefully the DART can reopen, assuming no water damage
Yes, there are barriers opposite the exit to the bus station that leads directly to the tunnel.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 08:41
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If it is confirmed this is the result of an EV going up in flames without warning I can see repercussions way beyond this dreadful incident.
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I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that already people on here from their cosy armchairs are being quick to criticise the emergency response. Pathetic! Thankfully nobody appears to have been killed or seriously injured! Cars and structure can be replaced, humans cannot be!
I suppose soon the compensation freaks will be at it too!
Great respect for the emergency services who must have been operating in difficult and frightening circumstances. Their efforts do seem to have prevented even more extensive damage to the airport infrastructure.
Hopefully all those who believe if they were in charge everything would be perfect all the time can just shut up for a while and let those who are trying to sort things get on with their jobs.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 08:47
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
If it is confirmed this is the result of an EV going up in flames without warning I can see repercussions way beyond this dreadful incident.
As the fire chief is suggesting that it’s probably a diesel (as it was in a similar incident at a MSCP at Liverpool Albert Dock) should there similarly be repercussions against diesels?
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Trinity 09L
Quote from the fire chief“Asked if there were sprinklers in the car park, fire chief Andy Hopkinson says "not that I'm aware of".

He says the fire service would recommend to the airport that sprinklers are fitted in any redevelopment of the car park.

He also tells gathered reporters that the car park being opened from the side would have allowed the fire to spread "horizontally" before it went up through the building.”

Also suggested a diesel car was the source, this aligns with the Norwegian airport fire source.
There is hardly a sprinkler in the terminal which was another cost saving.

As for the source of the fire, a diesel fire should not burn down a brand new multistory but there are enough EV’s around that once the fire reaches its first EV there is no going back.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 08:51
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
If it is confirmed this is the result of an EV going up in flames without warning I can see repercussions way beyond this dreadful incident.
If it were you could easily see rules where EVs could be banned from MSCPs, or confined to top floor only. Insurers would see to that even if legislators didn't.

However given the number of EVs on our roads now, and the infrequency of fires the cause is likely something else. I imagine forensic investigation will find the actual cause pretty quickly.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 08:54
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Originally Posted by eye2eye5
As the fire chief is suggesting that it’s probably a diesel (as it was in a similar incident at a MSCP at Liverpool Albert Dock) should there similarly be repercussions against diesels?
My understanding it was an EV. If I am wrong fair enough. I have no agenda against EVs or diesels for that matter. No doubt the type of vehicle involved will be confirmed in due course.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 08:57
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It appears to have started with a diesel car. Possibly the presence of EV's in the fire will have inhibited the response of the fire service?
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 09:38
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They are knocking a hole into the unaffected multi story and building a new exit ramp so people can get their trapped cars out.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 09:44
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Thanks Dave. As ever, the regressive press is quick to jump on their anti EV agenda! Better to wait for facts.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 10:09
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Looking at LTNman's photos. The whole structure will have to come down. Given, insurance, building plans etc. I'd say a re-open is at least two years away, possibly more.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 10:16
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
My understanding it was an EV. If I am wrong fair enough. I have no agenda against EVs or diesels for that matter. No doubt the type of vehicle involved will be confirmed in due course.
Your understanding is wrong. Diesel car.

but keep plugging your agenda
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 10:21
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Originally Posted by whitelighter
Your understanding is wrong. Diesel car.

but keep plugging your agenda
Excuse me? How many times do I have to repeat I have no issue with or agenda against EVs? I read what I read. If that information is wrong, so be it. It caught me out.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 10:28
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Anyone know the approximate revenue, per day or per year, that was generated by car park 2, ie the one that caught fire ?
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 10:40
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I suspect the real money earner was the drop off zone at a minimum of £5 or more per visit with its 8 exit barriers. Whatever the temporary arrangement is it will be free initially but this isn’t a 5 minute fix.

(edit, corrected to 8 barriers)
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 10:42
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
Excuse me? How many times do I have to repeat I have no issue with or agenda against EVs? I read what I read. If that information is wrong, so be it. It caught me out.
EV’s would have been involved due to the size of the fire.

In multi-story 1 there is a bank of EV charges between floors. I somehow think they will be moved. Also that car park is a mirror of car park 2 so has the same risks.
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Not true, LTNman. See this article from 2018 on the Liverpool MSCP fire, well before widespread EV adoption. Looks very familiar. As posted elsewhere, the main fire generator is car tires on vehicles parked very close together.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-46290095
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I’d love to read the fire risk assessment that decided a sprinkler system wasn’t required (as mitigation for an event such as this).

It seems that a diesel Range Rover (dreadful cars) may have been the source of the fire. However, once it spread to EVs, the fire would have been much less controllable.

Maybe EVs should only be allowed to park in multi story car parks with suitable protection. The cost of parking would need to be higher.

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At this stage, no one knows for certain what caused the fire. In the past, Yes EVs have caught fire due to thermal runaway within a faulty battery. Diesel and petrol fuelled cars have also caught fire in the past. Most of these have liquid fuel stored in plastic fuel tanks. Once one of these tanks ruptures they will dump all their contents on the ground the fuel will flow laterally while burning and engulf any neighbouring vehicles. If you turn on water sprinklers the fuel will float on the water and spread even further! Foam suppression is the only answer.
Car parks should have a fluid bund(sump) built in so spillage can drain away rather than spread.
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