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https://www.london-luton.co.uk/Londo...2d9a0bbf1c.pdf
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
https://www.london-luton.co.uk/Londo...2d9a0bbf1c.pdf
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
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https://www.london-luton.co.uk/Londo...2d9a0bbf1c.pdf
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
see section 10
https://www.london-luton.co.uk/Londo...2d9a0bbf1c.pdf
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
Section 13. Seems the airport is liable if I read it right
If LLA have met all current planning, building and Fire regulations, or exceeded them, they are likely to not be solely liable. I wouldn’t want to be car X’s insurance company though, and I doubt there’s going to be many poor lawyers at the end of the process either.
However did that building get approved without a sprinkler system?
Good ol' Toilet-town Airport's going to inflict even worse pandemonium and misery for the next three years or so as they rebuild all that.
I pity the people who've lost their cars because doubtless the insurance companies are going to cavil and procrastinate payouts as liability/responsibility is argued over probably for years. I hope not, but...
Good ol' Toilet-town Airport's going to inflict even worse pandemonium and misery for the next three years or so as they rebuild all that.
I pity the people who've lost their cars because doubtless the insurance companies are going to cavil and procrastinate payouts as liability/responsibility is argued over probably for years. I hope not, but...
Let's assume car park 2 and the road around it is unavailable for use for *at least* a year, the mid term car park becomes a drop off zone, and the Dart is perhaps replaced by buses to/from Parkway every 10 minutes. (If these assumptions are wrong, please correct me.)
Does this provide sufficient access in and out of LTN to handle 18+ million pax per year ? The junction between Airport Way and the Mid term car park with adjacent traffic lights does not seem designed for a high volume of vehicles.
I accept that air travel demand in November is low... but I'm wondering if it will still be possible to get 18m or 19m pax in and out of what is a large cul-de-sac without a substantial change. Pax will be forgiving in the week after a fire... but will not forgive so easily by Xmas.
Disclaimer - I typically either walk to/from Parkway or take a National Express coach
Does this provide sufficient access in and out of LTN to handle 18+ million pax per year ? The junction between Airport Way and the Mid term car park with adjacent traffic lights does not seem designed for a high volume of vehicles.
I accept that air travel demand in November is low... but I'm wondering if it will still be possible to get 18m or 19m pax in and out of what is a large cul-de-sac without a substantial change. Pax will be forgiving in the week after a fire... but will not forgive so easily by Xmas.
Disclaimer - I typically either walk to/from Parkway or take a National Express coach
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However did that building get approved without a sprinkler system?
Good ol' Toilet-town Airport's going to inflict even worse pandemonium and misery for the next three years or so as they rebuild all that.
I pity the people who've lost their cars because doubtless the insurance companies are going to cavil and procrastinate payouts as liability/responsibility is argued over probably for years. I hope not, but...
Good ol' Toilet-town Airport's going to inflict even worse pandemonium and misery for the next three years or so as they rebuild all that.
I pity the people who've lost their cars because doubtless the insurance companies are going to cavil and procrastinate payouts as liability/responsibility is argued over probably for years. I hope not, but...
"Guidance on the fire precautions considered necessary in the design and construction of car parks can be found in the Approved Document B to the Building Regulations for England and Wales (ADB) and Scottish Technical Standards. This guidance currently does not require sprinklers to be installed in car parks."
It will be interesting to have a walk around Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted & Manchester Airports see if they have such in place.
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There is no mandatory requirement for sprinklers in car parks in the Regs. You do occasionally see them installed, but rare.
As an aside, there will have been linear heat detection fitted and that will have triggered the alarm notification.
BAFSA (Sprinkler Association) have a differing view to Doc B (doc BAFSA 10A) and listening to the interview of the on-site Brigade Officer today, he appeared to support the installation of sprinklers given the tight building layout at Luton.
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Be interesting if Bedfordshire Fire brigade signed off fire inspections with a footnote about such recommendations.
Currently a near normal flight shedules for tomorrow, but whether passengers arrive on time will be another matter.
Currently a near normal flight shedules for tomorrow, but whether passengers arrive on time will be another matter.
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Latest update from the airport.
For those arriving by car, the Long and Mid-stay car parks are fully operational, and a temporary drop-off area has been established in the Mid-stay car park.
For those travelling to the airport by rail, the DART shuttle remains out of service with replacement buses in operation.
Additional staff remain on hand to assist passengers across the airport.
Passengers should contact their airline for information regarding their flight.
Page last updated at 20:48 on 11.10.2023
Operation update
Main roads around the area have also re-opened, but delays are expected on the airport approach.For those arriving by car, the Long and Mid-stay car parks are fully operational, and a temporary drop-off area has been established in the Mid-stay car park.
For those travelling to the airport by rail, the DART shuttle remains out of service with replacement buses in operation.
Additional staff remain on hand to assist passengers across the airport.
Passengers should contact their airline for information regarding their flight.
Temporary drop-off zone
If you are arriving at the airport by car, a temporary drop-off area has been established in the Mid-stay car park. Delays are expected in the area so please drop passengers off promptly and exit as soon as possible. Buses are running to/from the terminal and no charges are in place for this service.Special Assistance
Special Assistance shuttles are running from the Mid-stay car park to the airport terminal. Any passengers needing this service are asked to make themselves known to staff.DART
The DART shuttle from Luton Airport Parkway to the terminal remains out of service with replacement buses operating until further notice. Please allow extra time for your journey.Page last updated at 20:48 on 11.10.2023
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From British Auromatic Fire Sprinker Assocaition
"Guidance on the fire precautions considered necessary in the design and construction of car parks can be found in the Approved Document B to the Building Regulations for England and Wales (ADB) and Scottish Technical Standards. This guidance currently does not require sprinklers to be installed in car parks."
It will be interesting to have a walk around Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted & Manchester Airports see if they have such in place.
"Guidance on the fire precautions considered necessary in the design and construction of car parks can be found in the Approved Document B to the Building Regulations for England and Wales (ADB) and Scottish Technical Standards. This guidance currently does not require sprinklers to be installed in car parks."
It will be interesting to have a walk around Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted & Manchester Airports see if they have such in place.
This specific structure was built in the early 70’s but I imagine the sprinkler system was installed way after.
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Massive traffic queues that peaked all the way back to the Gypsy Lane turn off on the A505 this morning, as traffic heads to the temporary drop off area for the first wave of departures. A touch of deju vu, as traffic has gone back to how it was with all of the old drop off arrangements that were a complete failure. No Dart either, which is replaced by buses that still costs £9.90 return.
At least the drop off is free for the first 15 minutes but is costing LLAOL a small fortune in lost drop off charges.
At least the drop off is free for the first 15 minutes but is costing LLAOL a small fortune in lost drop off charges.
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You have to wonder whether it is safe to have 2 large multi storey car parks in such a confined space in the future. The CTA is poorly designed with everything squeezed on top of each other.
Yes, you need space for coaches, buses, taxi and a drop off and pick up zone plus the DART but there is currently too much with the short stay car parks.
Sprinklers alone are not the answer.
Why has the DART not reopened? Is the station too close to a structurally unsafe car park or has it been damaged in some way?
Yes, you need space for coaches, buses, taxi and a drop off and pick up zone plus the DART but there is currently too much with the short stay car parks.
Sprinklers alone are not the answer.
Why has the DART not reopened? Is the station too close to a structurally unsafe car park or has it been damaged in some way?
Let's assume car park 2 and the road around it is unavailable for use for *at least* a year, the mid term car park becomes a drop off zone, and the Dart is perhaps replaced by buses to/from Parkway every 10 minutes. (If these assumptions are wrong, please correct me.)
Does this provide sufficient access in and out of LTN to handle 18+ million pax per year ? The junction between Airport Way and the Mid term car park with adjacent traffic lights does not seem designed for a high volume of vehicles.
I accept that air travel demand in November is low... but I'm wondering if it will still be possible to get 18m or 19m pax in and out of what is a large cul-de-sac without a substantial change. Pax will be forgiving in the week after a fire... but will not forgive so easily by Xmas.
Disclaimer - I typically either walk to/from Parkway or take a National Express coach
Does this provide sufficient access in and out of LTN to handle 18+ million pax per year ? The junction between Airport Way and the Mid term car park with adjacent traffic lights does not seem designed for a high volume of vehicles.
I accept that air travel demand in November is low... but I'm wondering if it will still be possible to get 18m or 19m pax in and out of what is a large cul-de-sac without a substantial change. Pax will be forgiving in the week after a fire... but will not forgive so easily by Xmas.
Disclaimer - I typically either walk to/from Parkway or take a National Express coach
The mid term car park is a handy stop gap, but that can’t be a longer term solution.
I know it’s awkward, but I was wondering if the new stands which came into action earlier this year could be used as a temporary drop off area with the fencing pushed back. Reopened when the car park is rebuilt.
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The Dart is closed due to the risk of collapse of the multi story. Also noticed that no car parks can be pre booked until October 27th and then only the short term. The other car parks are bookable from October 30th. It’s all a complete mess.