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Old 11th Oct 2023, 11:12
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I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that already people on here from their cosy armchairs are being quick to criticise the emergency response.
Quite. It’s also showing how little those posters know about how an airport really operates, and what an airports RFFS responsibilities are.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 11:35
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Not sure this is helpful, out of airlines control so I would think compensation would be zero as extraordinary circumstances.
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Looks like last night's El Al which diverted to STN has given up getting to Luton, now repositioning to LHR. From one crisis to another.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 11:53
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The airport have taken down their departure and arrivals boards. Helpful.

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Old 11th Oct 2023, 12:04
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Originally Posted by jumpseater
Quite. It’s also showing how little those posters know about how an airport really operates, and what an airports RFFS responsibilities are.
I see. Are we starting to distance the ARFFS from any event that happens landside.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 12:16
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It’s also showing how little those posters know about how an airport really operates, and what an airports RFFS responsibilities are.

They have been known to fight local fires even outside the airport. This was the local Asda.


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Old 11th Oct 2023, 13:07
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As predicted in post 3500 regarding the drop off zone.

For those arriving by car, the Long and Mid-stay car parks are fully operational, and a temporary drop-off area has been established in the Mid-stay car park.

“For those travelling to the airport by rail, the DART shuttle remains out of service with replacement buses in operation.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 13:11
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Wonder how deep the insurance companies will delve into the value of the contents in the burnt out wrecks ..
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 13:27
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Originally Posted by WHBM
I see. Are we starting to distance the ARFFS from any event that happens landside.
Not starting, it’s always that way. On rare occasions airports RFFS may be deployed to a domestic incident, but only after a tactical RA of the implications of doing so and the implications on the airfields RFFS category.

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Old 11th Oct 2023, 13:40
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash
Wonder how deep the insurance companies will delve into the value of the contents in the burnt out wrecks ..
So who is liable for the loss of a multi-story car park and its contents, the car owner or the airport? If it is the driver I would imagine his or her premium will go up next year with maybe a £50m insurance bill.

The cars that are undamaged might be irretrievable so writing off the entire contents of the car park. Maybe around 1000 cars?
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 14:37
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Originally Posted by jumpseater
No starting, it’s always that way. On rare occasions airports RFFS may be deployed to a domestic incident, but only after a tactical RA of the implications of doing so and the implications on the airfields RFFS category.
OK. So the large foam blaster, like the one pictured above, which one would have thought would be particularly useful in this fire in the open sided airport car park if deployed instantly, is not to be used unless two bureaucratic reviews are made. In which case, of course, the easiest thing to do is leave it to the town fire brigade to make it up the hill.

It will be interesting to see the airport's own Risk Assessment, seeing as we are mentioning these, of the implications of a fire in the car park, and procedures for dealing with it.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 14:47
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Originally Posted by WHBM
OK. So the large foam blaster, like the one pictured above, which one would have thought would be particularly useful in this fire in the open sided airport car park if deployed instantly, is not to be used unless two bureaucratic reviews are made. In which case, of course, the easiest thing to do is leave it to the town fire brigade to make it up the hill.

It will be interesting to see the airport's own Risk Assessment, seeing as we are mentioning these, of the implications of a fire in the car park, and procedures for dealing with it.
As I said upthread we can now see those who know how an airport works, and those who don’t.

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Old 11th Oct 2023, 15:02
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The drop off area showing cars from the car park above. At least the signs were fire proof unlike the concrete and steel car park.

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Old 11th Oct 2023, 16:13
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Speaking of Risk Assessment and Insurance, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when the claims assessor for Luton's public liability insurance looks at any subsequent claim and the fact the car park didn't have a sprinkler system installed.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 17:00
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Was there / is there a notice saying “ car left at drivers own risk”?
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 17:13
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Originally Posted by TheSpiddalKid
Speaking of Risk Assessment and Insurance, it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when the claims assessor for Luton's public liability insurance looks at any subsequent claim and the fact the car park didn't have a sprinkler system installed.
Sprinkler/misting systems are not mandated in above ground and well vented steel structures - they would have marginal benefit and may indeed hinder access to the immediate location of the fire

Much greater concern would be the failings of any spray coat fire protection to the steel columns .
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 17:15
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
If it is confirmed this is the result of an EV going up in flames without warning I can see repercussions way beyond this dreadful incident.
Based on previous fires in 2019 & 2020 (Cork & Stavanger) I'd bet on it being an Opel/Vauxhall Zafira ahead of any EV.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 17:15
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Re. EV, - and no way do I support this - I am merely a messenger - if you look on YouTube, amid the media news coverage videos, and looking very much like a media report, is a video captioned something like .... Luton airport fire marks the end of EVs .... or something of that ilk. When things like that are uploaded, it is not surprising false rumour spreads and or the uninformed become the misinformed . I am not going to post the link as that itself will assist in spreading tosh.
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Old 11th Oct 2023, 17:25
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A fire officer said in a TV interview that many EV’s were involved in the fire. Also reported that 1000 cars were fire damaged. Not surprising really due to the shear number of cars burnt out.
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