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Old 18th Mar 2015, 16:23
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My understanding is that there will be no new physical check on outbound pax at airports. Instead, the requirement for increased monitoring of people leaving the UK will be achieved through the current method of airlines collecting passenger data and passing it to the control authorities. So there will be no need for segregation.

The main impact of the tightening up on controls will be on Eurotunnel and ferry operators, which do not currently keep passenger records in the same way as airlines do. This is causing some headaches for those operators - with one report in today's papers predicting 5 mile queues at the Eurotunnel terminal in Kent!
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 16:28
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I wonder how those load factors compare to the 5 a day from Heathrow ?
87% for the same month.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 16:57
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Re CX

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I wonder how those load factors compare to the 5 a day from Heathrow ?
87% for the same month.
For MAN to achieve identical LF in only the 3rd month of operation strikes me as pretty impressive. Yes, I know LHR has 5 flights daily, presumably all with First and yields are more important blah blah, but I trust CX are well pleased with how things are shaping up at MAN. Still, it's vital to keep that momentum going to justify a daily flight at some stage, which hopefully will be sooner rather than later.

Spanners, do you know if the plan is to switch to the A350 when it's available?

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For MAN to achieve identical LF in only the 3rd month of operation strikes me as pretty impressive. Yes, I know LHR has 5 flights daily, presumably all with First and yields are more important blah blah, but I trust CX are well pleased with how things are shaping up at MAN. Still, it's vital to keep that momentum going to justify a daily flight at some stage, which hopefully will be sooner rather than later.

Spanners, do you know if the plan is to switch to the A350 when it's available?
No.

The original plan several years ago was to reintroduce a MAN service when the 350 came online in 2016. Obviously this changed somewhat.
The question was asked recently, the answer was that the 350 will come to Europe, possibly new destinations possibly for a 2nd flight to an already established route, MAN if it continues as is will stick with the 777, if successful frequency may increase!

Of course if someone else were to fly to MAN from the region then CX would react to it.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 18:45
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Possible new route: Groningen

Google Translate is your friend

Wordt Manchester nieuwe bestemming vliegveld Eelde? | RTV Drenthe
Translated: https://translate.google.nl/#nl/en/E...%20aangevlogen.
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Could be an interesting route. It will be interesting to see if VLM give MAN-ANR another go under its new structure

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Old 18th Mar 2015, 19:16
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Vueling will start BCN-MAN on 19th June with 4 weekly flights.
Vueling Adds Barcelona ? Manchester Route from late-June 2015 | Airline Route
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 19:20
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Vueling been known about for a few months, they are looking at basing aircraft next year and BCN is already year round.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 21:08
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Groningen - Manchester

As I am from that region in the Netherlands I would be jumping up and down from joy if that route would start but the actual Dutch article only states that the airport is negotiating with a few airlines and only mentions FlyBe by name.

Apparent justification is the high volume of business travellers (without giving any figures though) but anyone travelling from the north of NL and neighbouring Germany has to travel at least 2 hours to get to AMS or a bit less to get to Hamburg.

I believe RyanAir ceased MAN - Bremen which is not that far from GRQ so there might be a gap but I would be highly (yet pleasantly) surprised if this one would go ahead.

Groningen is a lovely little hidden gem in the far north of NL though. Worth a visit
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As I am from that region in the Netherlands I would be jumping up and down from joy if that route would start but the actual Dutch article only states that the airport is negotiating with a few airlines and only mentions FlyBe by name.

Apparent justification is the high volume of business travellers (without giving any figures though) but anyone travelling from the north of NL and neighbouring Germany has to travel at least 2 hours to get to AMS or a bit less to get to Hamburg.

I believe RyanAir ceased MAN - Bremen which is not that far from GRQ so there might be a gap but I would be highly (yet pleasantly) surprised if this one would go ahead.

Groningen is a lovely little hidden gem in the far north of NL though. Worth a visit
Not sure Flybe would like to step on their own toes operating both AMS and GRQ, as the AMS service already seems to be struggling.

Didn't they briefly operate Den Helder from MAN last year before dropping it?
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 15:28
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Not sure Flybe would like to step on their own toes operating both AMS and GRQ, as the AMS service already seems to be struggling.
Passenger numbers suggest it's holding its own. How much they're selling the tickets for, I've no idea though.
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 23:45
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Does anybody on here know what the reason for missed approach on fr559 tonight, landed later with airport fire services on sby?
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 07:15
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Den Helder was an extension of the Norwich service and think it was more tied into the Norwch-Den Helder market (or lack of it as the figures proved).
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FR missed approach

Originally Posted by ICEHOUSES
Does anybody on here know what the reason for missed approach on fr559 tonight, landed later with airport fire services on sby?
I noticed it on FR24 and it appeared to come very close to a Flybe flight landing just before hand and gained on it rapidly during descent. It looked ominously close at one point. It then seemed to abandon the landing in the last few seconds and it looked like a near miss from FR24.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 08:58
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don`t forget that flybe don`t show all the way down the approach
as don`t a number of commuter operators but look as if they have
stopped on approach so not always reliable

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Old 20th Mar 2015, 09:11
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Something in the Gov's TransNorth announcement small print

as part of ‘TransNorth’, work will begin on better connecting Manchester airport to neighbouring cities in order to boost international links and make the north more globally competitive. There will also be a review for regional airports affected by the recent devolution of air passenger duty
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 09:57
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In some ways, I found the first sentence about better connecting Manchester Airport more interesting than the vague 'review' re. the devolution of APD.

Still, well spotted Betablockeruk.
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 16:40
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The review of APD was mentioned by the PM in interviews with regional press yesterday (so it must be true!) - due to be published in the summer
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 18:19
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I was on that FR559 flight, didn't know it was a near miss! Saw the fire engine driving away, how close were we really to an accident??
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Old 20th Mar 2015, 19:24
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Re Border Control

My understanding is that there will be no new physical check on outbound pax at airports. Instead, the requirement for increased monitoring of people leaving the UK will be achieved through the current method of airlines collecting passenger data and passing it to the control authorities. So there will be no need for segregation.
Clear common sense, there aren’t enough border control staff to deal with incoming pax, hence the long queues. Other countries should do likewise.
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