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CX today announced the cancellation of its 3x/week service from Hong Kong to Moscow effective June '15. Any rumours that the aircraft will be re-deployed to make HKG/MAN daily as current LF to MAN seem comparable to those to LHR?
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/r...nsport-set-out
Haven't got time to look/comment on this at the minute but on the face of it !
We seem to have one party "with a plan" but seemingly no money ?
and another party with .........................well who actually knows !
Haven't got time to look/comment on this at the minute but on the face of it !
We seem to have one party "with a plan" but seemingly no money ?
and another party with .........................well who actually knows !
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Does anybody on here know what the reason for missed approach on fr559 tonight, landed later with airport fire services on sby?
I was on that FR559 flight, didn't know it was a near miss! Saw the fire engine driving away, how close were we really to an accident??
CX today announced the cancellation of its 3x/week service from Hong Kong to Moscow effective June '15. Any rumours that the aircraft will be re-deployed to make HKG/MAN daily as current LF to MAN seem comparable to those to LHR?
On that note, I'm also noticing that on the chinese front Hainain seems to have gone quiet again, so no surprises there then.
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Further to informed replies by Ian Brooks and others, note that FR24 loses tracking on MLAT aircraft at low levels. Such aircraft include many commuter types and executive jets. However, when tracking is lost the blips often tend to freeze on screen for a couple of minutes before they finally disappear off completely. If you follow FR24 regularly, you will often notice blips such as those representing FlyBe flights freeze at about six miles out on the Manchester ILS. Mode-S tracked airliners following in sequence can frequently be observed to catch up and even 'overtake' the frozen blip on screen. But none of this actually represents real life ... the FlyBe will actually land as normal with a standard gap behind in reality. Remember that FR24 is a brilliant and fun internet innovation, but it is very far from being an accurately calibrated approach radar. A frozen MLAT blip on FR24 in no way represents some wild 'near-death experience' in the real world.
Further to informed replies by Ian Brooks and others, note that FR24 loses tracking on MLAT aircraft at low levels. Such aircraft include many commuter types and executive jets. However, when tracking is lost the blips often tend to freeze on screen for a couple of minutes before they finally disappear off completely. If you follow FR24 regularly, you will often notice blips such as those representing FlyBe flights freeze at about six miles out on the Manchester ILS. Mode-S tracked airliners following in sequence can frequently be observed to catch up and even 'overtake' the frozen blip on screen. But none of this actually represents real life ... the FlyBe will actually land as normal with a standard gap behind in reality. Remember that FR24 is a brilliant and fun internet innovation, but it is very far from being an accurately calibrated approach radar. A frozen MLAT blip on FR24 in no way represents some wild 'near-death experience' in the real world.
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No it will not, as previously stated, Zurich, Dusseldorf and Boston all start soon, Sydney will be getting a second daily 777, next summers schedule shows the same 4 days of operation. Maybe once the route is established and a consistent load factor is there an increase will be looked at, until such time, we are told, then there will be no increase in flts. There are 3 or 4 more 777's to be delivered this year then nothing until the 350 starts in 2016. So equipment is limited,
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If this is true it will be fantastic. This was rumoured some years back but the flight continued to operate via Moscow.
It will also give MAN-SIN a non stop flight which is what was required.
I hope you are right Sarah
It will also give MAN-SIN a non stop flight which is what was required.
I hope you are right Sarah
Yes it would be good news if true.
Apart from restoring a nonstop to SIN, it would also give MAN a direct service into Star's hub at IAH (assuming SQ had traffic rights MAN-IAH). I wonder if UA would codeshare on the MAN-IAH leg ?
Due to the Russian economy/sanctions more than a dozen airlines have recently pulled or reduced service to Moscow, most recently Cathay who are dropping it altogether from June. So if the SQ rumour is true MOW's loss would be MAN's gain.
Apart from restoring a nonstop to SIN, it would also give MAN a direct service into Star's hub at IAH (assuming SQ had traffic rights MAN-IAH). I wonder if UA would codeshare on the MAN-IAH leg ?
Due to the Russian economy/sanctions more than a dozen airlines have recently pulled or reduced service to Moscow, most recently Cathay who are dropping it altogether from June. So if the SQ rumour is true MOW's loss would be MAN's gain.
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howard h / All,
Further to informed replies by Ian Brooks and others, note that FR24 loses tracking on MLAT aircraft at low levels. Such aircraft include many commuter types and executive jets. However, when tracking is lost the blips often tend to freeze on screen for a couple of minutes before they finally disappear off completely. If you follow FR24 regularly, you will often notice blips such as those representing FlyBe flights freeze at about six miles out on the Manchester ILS. Mode-S tracked airliners following in sequence can frequently be observed to catch up and even 'overtake' the frozen blip on screen. But none of this actually represents real life ... the FlyBe will actually land as normal with a standard gap behind in reality. Remember that FR24 is a brilliant and fun internet innovation, but it is very far from being an accurately calibrated approach radar. A frozen MLAT blip on FR24 in no way represents some wild 'near-death experience' in the real world.
Further to informed replies by Ian Brooks and others, note that FR24 loses tracking on MLAT aircraft at low levels. Such aircraft include many commuter types and executive jets. However, when tracking is lost the blips often tend to freeze on screen for a couple of minutes before they finally disappear off completely. If you follow FR24 regularly, you will often notice blips such as those representing FlyBe flights freeze at about six miles out on the Manchester ILS. Mode-S tracked airliners following in sequence can frequently be observed to catch up and even 'overtake' the frozen blip on screen. But none of this actually represents real life ... the FlyBe will actually land as normal with a standard gap behind in reality. Remember that FR24 is a brilliant and fun internet innovation, but it is very far from being an accurately calibrated approach radar. A frozen MLAT blip on FR24 in no way represents some wild 'near-death experience' in the real world.
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Reported elsewhere, Singapore Airlines Is to change its Singapore-Moscow-Houston service to Manchester where it will be Singapore-manchester-Houston
I see that SQ61/62 operates 5 x weekly to IAH via Moscow rather than daily but it would be nice if it did happen. Interesting point logohu mentions about traffic rights MAN-IAH.
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We may be getting a bit ahead of ourselves here as I am not aware of the source for these rumours but just in case it has legs and Alice has indeed relocated from Wonderland. (see below)
Those not interested in the "science of bilaterals" should look away now.
When discussing bilats I always feel the need to dust down my link to a CAA study from 2004 using non other than SIA (and Emirates ) albeit to Houston (EK) and Washington (SIA), this provides examples of the pros (of which there are many) and cons (of which there are not) of granting such rights to Manchester.
https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/589/Regio...ths_report.pdf
"This would enable airlines such as Emirates or SIA to compete for some of the traffic travelling, for example, between Manchester and the US."
" a move to a presumption that fifth-freedom proposals be granted when requested unless there are demonstrable and significant reasons not to do so."
Fairly clear cut, grant the rights and if a UK airline wishes to compete "from Manchester" they are free to do so "from Manchester",
job done !
hmmmm, why do I have this nagging feeling that it may not be that simple
We may be getting a bit ahead of ourselves here as I am not aware of the source for these rumours but just in case it has legs and Alice has indeed relocated from Wonderland. (see below)
Those not interested in the "science of bilaterals" should look away now.
When discussing bilats I always feel the need to dust down my link to a CAA study from 2004 using non other than SIA (and Emirates ) albeit to Houston (EK) and Washington (SIA), this provides examples of the pros (of which there are many) and cons (of which there are not) of granting such rights to Manchester.
https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/589/Regio...ths_report.pdf
"This would enable airlines such as Emirates or SIA to compete for some of the traffic travelling, for example, between Manchester and the US."
" a move to a presumption that fifth-freedom proposals be granted when requested unless there are demonstrable and significant reasons not to do so."
Fairly clear cut, grant the rights and if a UK airline wishes to compete "from Manchester" they are free to do so "from Manchester",
job done !
hmmmm, why do I have this nagging feeling that it may not be that simple
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The comment rather than report on Facebook, said someone had heard so it is by no mean definite about IAH, however it also says it is a possible as SQ hold 5th freedom rights already.
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Note the poster who started this story on here is the one that started the Hainan thing a few weeks ago.....
Anyway, if it is true
Does anyone know if this is still Government policy 10 years later?
You have a nagging feeling which I suspect is right as at the time it was hard work and anything from simple.
Doesn't matter about the CAA - just as likely to get a UK airline popping up with "demonstrable and significant reasons not to do so". Doesn't mean that DfT have to agree with them, but it all takes time. And this is why it is vital that MAG are fully connected into this process.
And of course the US is the land of free trade....
Anyway, if it is true
"This would enable airlines such as Emirates or SIA to compete for some of the traffic travelling, for example, between Manchester and the US."
" a move to a presumption that fifth-freedom proposals be granted when requested unless there are demonstrable and significant reasons not to do so."
" a move to a presumption that fifth-freedom proposals be granted when requested unless there are demonstrable and significant reasons not to do so."
Fairly clear cut, grant the rights and if a UK airline wishes to compete "from Manchester" they are free to do so "from Manchester",
job done !
hmmmm, why do I have this nagging feeling that it may not be that simple
job done !
hmmmm, why do I have this nagging feeling that it may not be that simple
Because of the "bi" bit of "bilateral" - just cos the CAA agree, the Americans might not?
And of course the US is the land of free trade....
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Reported elsewhere, Singapore Airlines Is to change its Singapore-Moscow-Houston service to Manchester where it will be Singapore-manchester-Houston
I thought the SIN - SVO- IAH was all about moving oil execs and related trade people. How does MAN qualify even remotely on that score?
Sounds like whimsical wishful let's spread a rumour thinking and PPRuNe really shouldn't be a place for it.
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Same source as the imminent Hainan announcement...?
I thought the SIN - SVO- IAH was all about moving oil execs and related trade people. How does MAN qualify even remotely on that score?
Sounds like whimsical wishful let's spread a rumour thinking and PPRuNe really shouldn't be a place for it.
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Maybe SQ's LF on SIN/Moscow has declined to the point where that sector and the subsequent one to Houston are no longer financially viable - can't see a great deal of freight being carried on either sector to make up the shortfall. And let's not forget that CX have just announced that they are shortly stopping their HKG - Moscow services. With the low oil prices and the mess that the Soviet economy is in, the oil business is currently declining - just look at the problem that this is causing for Aberdeen and for Scotland's revenue from oil.
SQ are usually fairly nimble in switching aircraft to routes that generate revenue so perhaps the rumours are not entirely unfounded
SQ are usually fairly nimble in switching aircraft to routes that generate revenue so perhaps the rumours are not entirely unfounded
SQ already do SIN-FRA-JFK. There would need to be a good reason for them not to put the IAH flight through FRA too.
Also, I wonder what the average % of pax on the current flight when it departs MUC for SIN originated in MAN? And what % on the SVO-SIN leg originated in IAH. If the MAN % is higher than the IAH %, then SQ could drive up prices for higher yields as there will be less seats available perhaps.
If SQ pull the SVO leg, and if anybody can come up with good reasons why they wouldn't put the route through FRA, or CDG etc and interline with Star alliance partners, then I'll think this one has legs. As things stand I'm a bit skeptical.
Also, I wonder what the average % of pax on the current flight when it departs MUC for SIN originated in MAN? And what % on the SVO-SIN leg originated in IAH. If the MAN % is higher than the IAH %, then SQ could drive up prices for higher yields as there will be less seats available perhaps.
If SQ pull the SVO leg, and if anybody can come up with good reasons why they wouldn't put the route through FRA, or CDG etc and interline with Star alliance partners, then I'll think this one has legs. As things stand I'm a bit skeptical.
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the 1st leg of a route is nearly always the most profitable sector (not always) however MAN is providing a very high of pax level and cargo also
putting SQ through Manchester could be more important and don`t forget
Manchester is quite important for Star as well
putting SQ through Manchester could be more important and don`t forget
Manchester is quite important for Star as well