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In India, the name changes were minority politically driven and a lot of people think it's nonsense on stilts. If they felt so strongly about percieved offence, do you think the IATA codes would still be PEK and BOM?
Let's be honest, it's a diversion from having to deal with real issues that matter to real people.
I take it all back, call them what you like. Seems I caused some offence or consternation so my apologies.
Actually found it quite funny. It was a wind-up wasn't it?
You expressed your views, and got a very reasonable and measured response!
A frank exchange of views is always good for the thread and the forum! Despite what the trolls say.
Hi lax-lhr,
I'm using there main one on which is [email protected]
Also they have now said the same on the facebook inbox.
I don't understand what they mean though to "open up in May" ... Does that mean a ANNOUCMENT or open reservations ?
I'm using there main one on which is [email protected]
Also they have now said the same on the facebook inbox.
I don't understand what they mean though to "open up in May" ... Does that mean a ANNOUCMENT or open reservations ?
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Well I hope I am wrong but the recent PR pieces have all quietly dropped any reference to a mainland China service.
Yet prior to Dec 2014 talk of a direct link was always a tag line which was massaged into every piece of media output to the MEN, be that coverage of new routes, Airport City, OR increased passenger numbers
As I mentioned last week the last issue trailed Cathay as the "operator of choice".
Yet prior to Dec 2014 talk of a direct link was always a tag line which was massaged into every piece of media output to the MEN, be that coverage of new routes, Airport City, OR increased passenger numbers
As I mentioned last week the last issue trailed Cathay as the "operator of choice".
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And Birmingham
But Birmingham will not be a Hainan destination in the traditional sense. This flight is not and will not be bookable on Hainan website, or other platforms other than united travel.
As far as Hainan are concerned, Cassia travel have leased their aircraft and crew, nothing more.
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When it comes to Hainan Airlines it is best not to count chickens before they're hatched. Hainan's recent announcement of a San Jose service came as a very unpleasant surprise to the City of Oakland, which believed it had an agreement for the airline to operate from OAK.
Much as I'm enthusiastic about the prospect of a MAN service, let's not put the Champagne (or Boggart Hole Clough?) on ice just yet.
[edited to remove erroneous reference to Boddington's....]
Much as I'm enthusiastic about the prospect of a MAN service, let's not put the Champagne (or Boggart Hole Clough?) on ice just yet.
[edited to remove erroneous reference to Boddington's....]
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Maybe we should ask Mr Osbourne about Hainan as he was the one that "announced" it.
If we were to ever get a mainstream China destination, my money would be on Air China rather than Hainan & Shanghai rather than Beijing.
Air China has already operated non stop services MAN-PVG with cargo 747s. Shanghai would make much more sense both in terms of passengers & cargo.
Although getting anything done in China is easier said than done.
With the apparent success of the Cathay service, you would think some people are scratching their heads wondering why they took so long to come back.
If we were to ever get a mainstream China destination, my money would be on Air China rather than Hainan & Shanghai rather than Beijing.
Air China has already operated non stop services MAN-PVG with cargo 747s. Shanghai would make much more sense both in terms of passengers & cargo.
Although getting anything done in China is easier said than done.
With the apparent success of the Cathay service, you would think some people are scratching their heads wondering why they took so long to come back.
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In my book Mr Osbourne was briefed by the airport.....
I simply don't believe he is that intimate with the airport, unless there are votes to be had !
"Counting Chickens" does come to mind
I simply don't believe he is that intimate with the airport, unless there are votes to be had !
"Counting Chickens" does come to mind
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I see RYR have started to load their schedules for next winter for STN and BHX.
A couple of new routes and plenty of increased frequencies for STN. It will be interesting to see what happenns at MAN after this summer's modest net growth in capacity.
As for Hainan, I thought the plug for CX by Charlie Cornish last week with reference to the connecting opportunities to cities on mainland China was very striking. Despite Osborne's premature comments, I think I'm right in saying that MAN had consistently maintained that negotiations were ongoing but were hoping for an announcement in the next 2-3 months. In fact, for a while I recall MAN were saying talks were in progress with several Chinese airlines. However, all that was before Christmas and, as Bagso quite rightly points out, reference has been noticeably missing from more recent press briefings. Does that mean the route is dead for the foreseeable future? Maybe, maybe not. If it does still happen later this year, we can wonder why the delay. If it doesn't, it would be intriguing to know what went wrong.
I see RYR have started to load their schedules for next winter for STN and BHX.
A couple of new routes and plenty of increased frequencies for STN. It will be interesting to see what happenns at MAN after this summer's modest net growth in capacity.
As for Hainan, I thought the plug for CX by Charlie Cornish last week with reference to the connecting opportunities to cities on mainland China was very striking. Despite Osborne's premature comments, I think I'm right in saying that MAN had consistently maintained that negotiations were ongoing but were hoping for an announcement in the next 2-3 months. In fact, for a while I recall MAN were saying talks were in progress with several Chinese airlines. However, all that was before Christmas and, as Bagso quite rightly points out, reference has been noticeably missing from more recent press briefings. Does that mean the route is dead for the foreseeable future? Maybe, maybe not. If it does still happen later this year, we can wonder why the delay. If it doesn't, it would be intriguing to know what went wrong.
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With the apparent success of the Cathay service, you would think some people are scratching their heads wondering why they took so long to come back.
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I noticed George Osbourne no doubt surely soon to be Lord Osbourne of Tatton, getting a bit of a panning on another thread. I don't propose to leap to his defense but I do believe others and on both sides are equally culpable of "not quite getting it right" !
It is interesting to quantify his performance against other MPs in the area and also those who have a interest in aviation.
With 7 weeks to an election lets have a look at the runners and riders who influence Manchester Airport thinking .......OR not as the case may be !
One person who could have used her "good offices" to better effect is one Louise Elhman. If you honestly think Mr Osbourne is somewhat lacking, lord knows what you must think about the poverty of effort from this constituent member who represents an area less than an hour from the airport and who crucially is chairperson of the Transport Select Committee. Whilst MPs are not "plane spotters" surely some of the indepth discussion she has had with industry professionals has had some influence on her thinking, and whilst yes that involves LHR does Manchester not appear on her radar in any way shape of form ? Not at the expense of London BUT at least as an as well as.....
Over the various years of her tenure it is difficult to believe that she has not mentioned Manchester once, this despite the fact it supports business in HER constituency, especially long haul. She is however conversant with some aviation thinking, she is robust dare I say evangelical in her support of LHR3 which makes the absence of any opinion comment on Manchester even more irritating. There are those who might suggest she is envious? Maybe she thinks Liverpool is in the frame for a direct Liverpool - LHR service. Given its proximity to Manchester I doubt it could achieve this with 6 runways let alone 3 !
If we think Louise Elhman is hopeless enter stage right one Graham Brady, Conservative MP for Sale, sorry a personal opinion has to come to the fore "he is a complete burke".
His "new" election office is 10 minutes from Manchester Airport a place it seems he only uses to get to Heathrow, an airport he also steadfastly supports above and beyond Manchester. It might be worth reminding him that the good people of Sale many of whom work at Manchester, yes that's Manchester elected him....NOT those in Hayes and Middlesex.
Whilst we talk of poverty of airport, entering from the left is "Mr Party Animal", the ever effervescent Graham Stringer, if you need anesthetic for a root canal this is your man. He could send the audience at a Slipknot concert to sleep. Yet ANOTHER local MP and another member of the T.S.C. seemingly more interested in the South East than "local issues" !
At this point I should say I have no issue with MPs of any persuasion having a fair and unbiased opinion but when that is to the disadvantage of the people who elected them it does start to irk somewhat, especially when they "appear" more vociferous about issues 200 miles away than at least paying minor lip service to those in their own backyard !
Finally what of the MP " FOR MANCHESTER AIRPORT" Mike Kane ?
Deary me, it has to be said it "seemed" to take an age for him to get his feet under the table and this finally resulted in a brief debate on regional airports in the commons where he was it has to be said batting for Manchester ! Maybe this isn't the done thing at "party level" as he has disappeared without trace in recent months !
Whilst I concede George Osbourne may not be everybody's cup of tea at least if nothing else he does manage to get us some column inches whenever he mentions Manchester Airport !
If we have to rely on some of the other Honourable Members for promotion or even a modicum of support .....it seems we will be waiting a awful long time !
It is interesting to quantify his performance against other MPs in the area and also those who have a interest in aviation.
With 7 weeks to an election lets have a look at the runners and riders who influence Manchester Airport thinking .......OR not as the case may be !
One person who could have used her "good offices" to better effect is one Louise Elhman. If you honestly think Mr Osbourne is somewhat lacking, lord knows what you must think about the poverty of effort from this constituent member who represents an area less than an hour from the airport and who crucially is chairperson of the Transport Select Committee. Whilst MPs are not "plane spotters" surely some of the indepth discussion she has had with industry professionals has had some influence on her thinking, and whilst yes that involves LHR does Manchester not appear on her radar in any way shape of form ? Not at the expense of London BUT at least as an as well as.....
Over the various years of her tenure it is difficult to believe that she has not mentioned Manchester once, this despite the fact it supports business in HER constituency, especially long haul. She is however conversant with some aviation thinking, she is robust dare I say evangelical in her support of LHR3 which makes the absence of any opinion comment on Manchester even more irritating. There are those who might suggest she is envious? Maybe she thinks Liverpool is in the frame for a direct Liverpool - LHR service. Given its proximity to Manchester I doubt it could achieve this with 6 runways let alone 3 !
If we think Louise Elhman is hopeless enter stage right one Graham Brady, Conservative MP for Sale, sorry a personal opinion has to come to the fore "he is a complete burke".
His "new" election office is 10 minutes from Manchester Airport a place it seems he only uses to get to Heathrow, an airport he also steadfastly supports above and beyond Manchester. It might be worth reminding him that the good people of Sale many of whom work at Manchester, yes that's Manchester elected him....NOT those in Hayes and Middlesex.
Whilst we talk of poverty of airport, entering from the left is "Mr Party Animal", the ever effervescent Graham Stringer, if you need anesthetic for a root canal this is your man. He could send the audience at a Slipknot concert to sleep. Yet ANOTHER local MP and another member of the T.S.C. seemingly more interested in the South East than "local issues" !
At this point I should say I have no issue with MPs of any persuasion having a fair and unbiased opinion but when that is to the disadvantage of the people who elected them it does start to irk somewhat, especially when they "appear" more vociferous about issues 200 miles away than at least paying minor lip service to those in their own backyard !
Finally what of the MP " FOR MANCHESTER AIRPORT" Mike Kane ?
Deary me, it has to be said it "seemed" to take an age for him to get his feet under the table and this finally resulted in a brief debate on regional airports in the commons where he was it has to be said batting for Manchester ! Maybe this isn't the done thing at "party level" as he has disappeared without trace in recent months !
Whilst I concede George Osbourne may not be everybody's cup of tea at least if nothing else he does manage to get us some column inches whenever he mentions Manchester Airport !
If we have to rely on some of the other Honourable Members for promotion or even a modicum of support .....it seems we will be waiting a awful long time !
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Great post, Bagso. I'm always in favour of lampooning Westmonster Pollies on an equal opportunity basis. George Osborne has actually proved to be one of the better ones. Hope I'm still thinking that after his forthcoming budget!
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Yes, excellent post Bagso. I wonder how much effort MAN itself has made to lobby and influence local MPs. Have their efforts been spurned, or simply lacking?
I can't help thinking that a past CEO of MAN, the late Sir Gil Thompson, would certainly have had MPs and government ministers on his radar, and canvassed them with some success I suspect.
I can't help thinking that a past CEO of MAN, the late Sir Gil Thompson, would certainly have had MPs and government ministers on his radar, and canvassed them with some success I suspect.
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I'm reminded of the old adage that when politics becomes tribal (whether on the left or the right) people will elect even the apocryphal "pig's bladder on a stick". Most of those you mention fall into this category, especially Stringer and Brady. Osborne is an exception, whatever you think of his politics.
I'm reminded of the old adage that when politics becomes tribal (whether on the left or the right) people will elect even the apocryphal "pig's bladder on a stick". Most of those you mention fall into this category, especially Stringer and Brady. Osborne is an exception, whatever you think of his politics.
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Yes very good Bagso
Just as a point of interest Osbourne should be Osborne and Elhman should be Ellman in case you would feel the need to contact them.
Ellman has always struck me as very low key and not a patch on one of her predecessors, Gwyneth Dunwoody (Crewe) who didn't suffer fools gladly and gave some very senior figures a good rogering at hearings. Excellent fun if you were not in her firing line. And also supportive of Manchester if she thought you had a good point which was often the case.
Brady has always been lukewarm (and that's being generous) about the airport; maybe because quite a few of his constituents have been very vocal against airport expansion in the past. It's a shame as he is very influential within the Tory party as Chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee.
Stringer is an interesting one. For years he pushed Manchester Airport within Westminster including on the Transport Committee, asking questions about bilaterals etc. Now as you say he doesn't seem to take much interest. I could speculate that this may have something to do with the fact that Manchester now has a big chunk of it's airport in private hands instead of being wholly owned by the good citizens of Greater Manchester as it was in the past when he was Manchester Council leader and Chairman of the Airport Board. May be way off beam; I have no knowledge to say that is the case
He certainly did and this certainly went on up to around 10 years ago; people attended Transport Committee meetings, were discussing things with MPs and banging on the door of Marsham St (DfT) every week. I have no idea what happens now.
And finally some indication of the knowledge of our current minister of planes Robert Goodwill. Note the bit in bold where he demonstrates just how much he knows about Manchester. Badly briefed at best by his Sir Humphrey who was by his side. The whole thing makes interesting reading even though it is not really relevant to Manchester
[Committee name]
Chair: But does it matter to the Department that there are links to a hub in the UK rather than links from the regions to a hub outside the UK?
Mr Goodwill: Where there is demand for a service, that demand will be met by the operators. As I say, we have seen some regional airports operate using Schiphol as their hub. If you go to Durham Tees Valley, for example, they have a Schiphol flight. People make journeys using Schiphol as their hub in the same way that people using Leeds Bradford can go to Schiphol, Brussels, Paris or Heathrow. That creates a vibrant market, and it has meant that people get good value in terms of air travel in the UK. We have seen prices come down year on year. We have seen more destinations being served. We have a very vibrant and enterprising aviation sector. That is down to the free market, not down to regulations, so it is important where we have enterprising airlines and airports that they respond to demand and put on those new routes. I mentioned the Newcastle to Dubai route, which has been put on without a subsidy, and I think there is a Manchester to Newark New Jersey service. These have been put on by airlines seeking to benefit from the increased wish of people to fly, and the improvements that we have seen in the UK economy. Politicians should not interfere in that market, which is already providing better value, more destinations and much better services at our airports. All the airports I go to around the country are always keen to show me their new facilities, their new catering facilities—
Just as a point of interest Osbourne should be Osborne and Elhman should be Ellman in case you would feel the need to contact them.
Ellman has always struck me as very low key and not a patch on one of her predecessors, Gwyneth Dunwoody (Crewe) who didn't suffer fools gladly and gave some very senior figures a good rogering at hearings. Excellent fun if you were not in her firing line. And also supportive of Manchester if she thought you had a good point which was often the case.
Brady has always been lukewarm (and that's being generous) about the airport; maybe because quite a few of his constituents have been very vocal against airport expansion in the past. It's a shame as he is very influential within the Tory party as Chairman of the backbench 1922 Committee.
Stringer is an interesting one. For years he pushed Manchester Airport within Westminster including on the Transport Committee, asking questions about bilaterals etc. Now as you say he doesn't seem to take much interest. I could speculate that this may have something to do with the fact that Manchester now has a big chunk of it's airport in private hands instead of being wholly owned by the good citizens of Greater Manchester as it was in the past when he was Manchester Council leader and Chairman of the Airport Board. May be way off beam; I have no knowledge to say that is the case
I can't help thinking that a past CEO of MAN, the late Sir Gil Thompson, would certainly have had MPs and government ministers on his radar, and canvassed them with some success I suspect.
And finally some indication of the knowledge of our current minister of planes Robert Goodwill. Note the bit in bold where he demonstrates just how much he knows about Manchester. Badly briefed at best by his Sir Humphrey who was by his side. The whole thing makes interesting reading even though it is not really relevant to Manchester
[Committee name]
Chair: But does it matter to the Department that there are links to a hub in the UK rather than links from the regions to a hub outside the UK?
Mr Goodwill: Where there is demand for a service, that demand will be met by the operators. As I say, we have seen some regional airports operate using Schiphol as their hub. If you go to Durham Tees Valley, for example, they have a Schiphol flight. People make journeys using Schiphol as their hub in the same way that people using Leeds Bradford can go to Schiphol, Brussels, Paris or Heathrow. That creates a vibrant market, and it has meant that people get good value in terms of air travel in the UK. We have seen prices come down year on year. We have seen more destinations being served. We have a very vibrant and enterprising aviation sector. That is down to the free market, not down to regulations, so it is important where we have enterprising airlines and airports that they respond to demand and put on those new routes. I mentioned the Newcastle to Dubai route, which has been put on without a subsidy, and I think there is a Manchester to Newark New Jersey service. These have been put on by airlines seeking to benefit from the increased wish of people to fly, and the improvements that we have seen in the UK economy. Politicians should not interfere in that market, which is already providing better value, more destinations and much better services at our airports. All the airports I go to around the country are always keen to show me their new facilities, their new catering facilities—
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City of eternal spring to welcome Routes Asia delegates
I really do not understand this article? is manchester the 13th routes asia?
I really do not understand this article? is manchester the 13th routes asia?