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Old 29th Jan 2015, 12:37
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A) EGCC B) 1501281144 C) 1503310500
D) 2300-0500
E) FUEL NOT AVBL

Can't see any WIP.
I had a feeling that it had been reported previously that during the winter there was no refuelling between those hours due to lack of staff. Isn't that why potential diversions during the night tend to be a no-no?
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 13:03
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It has been on here previously, and considering there are no / very few flights between those hours I fail to see why it's an issue to be honest.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 17:31
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Fair play, BA who normally cancel MAN shuttles at the mere whiff of trouble, have tonight put both a 767 & 747 on the LHR-MAN trip.
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Old 29th Jan 2015, 18:38
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BA's strategy for recovering today's MAN Shuttle backlog is a very interesting development. In the past, suggestions that a larger type could be drafted in have been knocked back as impractical because long-haul aircraft are crewed by a different division within BA. Hopefully, following today's precedent, we can look forward to more flexibility from BA in addressing similar problems in the future. It bears watching anyway.


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Old 29th Jan 2015, 22:35
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BA do have a history of subbing larger aircraft in to cover for cancellations, eapecially at the LGW base. Going back a few years to the height of the shorthaul fleet problems BA dropped a 772 into domestics ex LGW on occasion, canceling 1 sector and amalgamating onto another.


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Old 29th Jan 2015, 22:45
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But it is very rare (at MAN, anyway) for BA to use anything larger than a B763 to cover a LHR Shuttle rotation. The B763 is used regularly on Scotland - LHR shuttles anyway, so they are not such a surprise. Smart move by BA though ... more of this positive thinking, please!
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 06:13
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I was on the EK22 yesterday and it took 3 hours to de ice the aircraft. Then we had a medical emergency onboard probably due to the cabin temperature being extremely warm. Captain could not turn on air-conditioning due to ongoing deicing. The crew had 15 minutes left before they would of had to call it day when we finally got a push back. We sat on that aircraft for over 4 hours before we finally departed. Overall an 8 hour delay. Pesky snow...
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 07:20
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But it is very rare (at MAN, anyway) for BA to use anything larger than a B763 to cover a LHR Shuttle rotation. The B763 is used regularly on Scotland - LHR shuttles anyway, so they are not such a surprise. Smart move by BA though ... more of this positive thinking, please!
Without competition, transport operators tend to lose sight of prioritising customers and the suffering masses just have to put up with whatever comes their way. Is yesterdays upgrade a sign that BA is being a little bit more careful with 'their' transfer patronage? Do they feel threatened by Manchester's expanding long haul offering?
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 07:31
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I don't think you should read too much into BA's use of a 744 yesterday. It's by no means the first time they've covered short haul routes in this way. It's just a sensible response to operational disruption, and (as Shed says) long may it last.

And the "Union" distinction between long haul and short haul cabin crew is largely history. The MAN-LHR route is operated by "mixed fleet" cabin crew who are licensed to operate on multiple aircraft types, including long haul aircraft such as 744s and 777s.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 07:57
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Most likely a significant factor was that MAN was the only BA domestic disrupted by snow yesterday, which made it a bit easier to make larger aircraft available to them to clear the backlog.

Insignificant point of interest this morning is that most of the European operators seem to have upgraded their MAN flights to 321s, presumably also in the interests of the backlog.
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 08:27
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Hifly A340-300 CS-TQZ just landed as TCX352P to operate for TCX


And BA sending another 767 on BA1372 due at 1350
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Old 30th Jan 2015, 12:14
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Absolutely. Disruption on the shuttle tends to be the result of disruption at LHR. In these circumstances the odd spare 747 does little to alleviate the inevitable chaos.
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I was informed that the 744 went back to London with only a double figure onboard. The earlier 767 picked up most of the slack.
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And the "Union" distinction between long haul and short haul cabin crew is largely history. The MAN-LHR route is operated by "mixed fleet" cabin crew who are licensed to operate on multiple aircraft types, including long haul aircraft such as 744s and 777s.
The 744 yesterday was operated by Mixed fleet crew, the 767's yesterday and today were operated by Euro fleet crew due Mixed fleet not being licensed on 767's. MAN is operated as a Mixed fleet route.
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 20:17
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I was on the EK22 yesterday and it took 3 hours to de ice the aircraft. Then we had a medical emergency onboard probably due to the cabin temperature being extremely warm. Captain could not turn on air-conditioning due to ongoing deicing. The crew had 15 minutes left before they would of had to call it day when we finally got a push back. We sat on that aircraft for over 4 hours before we finally departed. Overall an 8 hour delay. Pesky snow...
So what are your thoughts regarding the handling agent/airline/airport competence generally during this long delay?
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 20:55
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I was on the EK22 yesterday and it took 3 hours to de ice the aircraft. Then we had a medical emergency onboard probably due to the cabin temperature being extremely warm. Captain could not turn on air-conditioning due to ongoing deicing. The crew had 15 minutes left before they would of had to call it day when we finally got a push back. We sat on that aircraft for over 4 hours before we finally departed. Overall an 8 hour delay. Pesky snow...
What were they de icing it with, a 500ml bottle with a spray top?

So much for EKs recent statement saying passengers would not be kept on an aircraft for more than 2 hours!
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Old 31st Jan 2015, 21:57
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where's BlueShamu when we need him....
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Old 1st Feb 2015, 04:14
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Let's just say that the De-icing equipment at Manchester is average at best. We could have this debate all day about how many times does it snow at Manchester and wether equipment is adequate. And that includes ground equipment. A pushback tug broke down a few months ago when trying to push back EK18. I try not to blame anybody because there are so many people involved in trying to get turnaround time done as quickly as possible. Sometimes they fail. As long as everybody gets from A to B safely then sometimes it will take as long as it takes.
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Well, I'm sorry to have to say that Manchester de-icing on Thursday was a shambles. I personally waited 6 hours to be de-iced after it stopped snowing at 1130. We had originally been ready to push at 0845 so all in all we had a 9 and a half hour delay.

De-icing recommenced soon after it stopped snowing but we could'nt get any information as to when we might get done and could only sit watching de-icing trucks criss crossing the airport.

We witnessed the plight of the Emirates 777, which seemed to be being de-iced by only one truck and listened to the exasperated voice of the Captain reporting that it had taken them ONE AND A HALF HOURS to de-ice ONE wing!!! Indeed a few stands away, it took them over an hour to de-ice an A320.

We watched as the Emirates A380 waited on the taxiway, engines running for over an hour waiting for the 777 to vacate the stand. How much fuel that wasted only the 380 crew know.

Apart from being frustating, the whole situation was, quite frankly, extremely embarrasing. No doubt there will be plently of excuses and sloping shoulders, but from where I was sitting, watching it through the whole sorry saga, there seemed to be far too few resources and not much of a plan. I hate to think what would have happened if it had really snowed, but in that case i guess we'd have all packed up and gone home.
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thats the whole problem it wasn`t proper snow it was a slushy mess

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