Let's just say that the De-icing equipment at Manchester is average at best. We could have this debate all day about how many times does it snow at Manchester and wether equipment is adequate. And that includes ground equipment. A pushback tug broke down a few months ago when trying to push back EK18. I try not to blame anybody because there are so many people involved in trying to get turnaround time done as quickly as possible. Sometimes they fail. As long as everybody gets from A to B safely then sometimes it will take as long as it takes.