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Would have thought it would be better to get the next 12 months out of the way first before trying to attract new business. The airport struggles to cope with high numbers so why make a bad situation worse in trying to attract new airlines when the existing airlines are adding to the problem?
Insufficient capacity affects different parts of the airport at different times of the day so there are no quiet periods. If the departure lounge has spare capacity then at the same time the approach road might have queue of traffic that extends all the way to the A505. The check-in area could be empty while at the same time passengers are waiting for an hour for their luggage.
It will be interesting to see how the capacity of the CTA will be affected this summer with the whole area one big building site. The priority will be to get the new drop off area completed in the spring even if it is still accessed from the old road network.
Insufficient capacity affects different parts of the airport at different times of the day so there are no quiet periods. If the departure lounge has spare capacity then at the same time the approach road might have queue of traffic that extends all the way to the A505. The check-in area could be empty while at the same time passengers are waiting for an hour for their luggage.
It will be interesting to see how the capacity of the CTA will be affected this summer with the whole area one big building site. The priority will be to get the new drop off area completed in the spring even if it is still accessed from the old road network.
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Well at the end of October I could see a major problem with the redevelopment so I sent the airport the following message.
I got a reply to say they would pass the info on to the appropriate people.
Today National Express, Greenline and Aviva descended on the new bus station together with Luton Council with a fleet of coaches so they could try out the bays.
Lets just say it didn't go too well. The tape measures were out and everyone was taking photos. I find it somewhat staggering that little old me could see what was going to happen yet the builders and the airport did not see the issue before it bit them. So the question is what are they going to do about it apart from ripping it all up and starting again? What are the implications for the rest of the project as the terminal infill can't start until the existing bus station is moved.
Has anyone from the airport got their tape measures out and measured the spacing between some of the nose in bus bays being built? Minimum spacing should be 2m except some are not. Some of those bays look unusable for wheelchair uses because of the width of the pavement and don't appear to conform to minimum standards for boarding buses and coaches.
Today National Express, Greenline and Aviva descended on the new bus station together with Luton Council with a fleet of coaches so they could try out the bays.
Lets just say it didn't go too well. The tape measures were out and everyone was taking photos. I find it somewhat staggering that little old me could see what was going to happen yet the builders and the airport did not see the issue before it bit them. So the question is what are they going to do about it apart from ripping it all up and starting again? What are the implications for the rest of the project as the terminal infill can't start until the existing bus station is moved.
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The drawings show 2m and even that would be tight if someone had to push a wheelchair onto a ramp with a railing in the way so either the plans were changed after going to the council or the contractor didn't follow the plans.
Whoever is to blame it is one hell of a (ock-up. Maybe I should be employed on the project as an issue spotter as I now have a proven track record of foreseeing problems.
Whoever is to blame it is one hell of a (ock-up. Maybe I should be employed on the project as an issue spotter as I now have a proven track record of foreseeing problems.
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The failure of the government to yet again decide about runway expansion at Gatwick or Heathrow must be music to Luton Airport's ears.
Both might capture more El AL style overflow but both need to get their acts together. Can see EGCC & EGBB benefiting more..
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Weekly Redevelopment Update
It might be a while before a scene like below is seen again at the airport after yesterday’s test. Not only are the spacing between most of the bays too narrow for wheelchair users but the coach companies didn’t seem too impressed with the layout or the size of the maneuvering area. For the test all the coaches had a second person assisting at the rear of the coaches as they reversed out and tried different bays.
The first two bays to be constructed inside the old bus station were laid out this week with kerbing and despite yesterday’s test were filled with concrete today. A surveyor was on site this morning measuring the four corners of each existing bay. Not all the bays can be constructed yet as site access to the rear of the new bus station is needed for the terminal construction work.
We will wait and see what the outcome will be and whether all or some of the bays will be moved or modified.
This photo was also taken yesterday.
The shuttle bus stop which is moving to the old terminal side is now under construction and is the only bus stop that isn't a nose in bay.
The old staff car park which will become part of the short term car park has received its top layer of tarmac as has most of the so far built ring road.
The ring road together with the entrance to the short term car park with new railings and new airside fencing. Taxiway Delta is on the other side of the fence.
Signature has today had the first of its steel work erected for its new FBO.
The first two bays to be constructed inside the old bus station were laid out this week with kerbing and despite yesterday’s test were filled with concrete today. A surveyor was on site this morning measuring the four corners of each existing bay. Not all the bays can be constructed yet as site access to the rear of the new bus station is needed for the terminal construction work.
We will wait and see what the outcome will be and whether all or some of the bays will be moved or modified.
This photo was also taken yesterday.
The shuttle bus stop which is moving to the old terminal side is now under construction and is the only bus stop that isn't a nose in bay.
The old staff car park which will become part of the short term car park has received its top layer of tarmac as has most of the so far built ring road.
The ring road together with the entrance to the short term car park with new railings and new airside fencing. Taxiway Delta is on the other side of the fence.
Signature has today had the first of its steel work erected for its new FBO.
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I posted about the bus parking lanes/pavements being to narrow quite a few weeks ago. Never mind, I am sure those constructing them know what they are doing 
http://www.pprune.org/9163912-post2886.html
http://www.pprune.org/9163912-post2886.html
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There you go. If the contractor, airport planners, surveyors or even the airport authority read Pprune or even took note of the message I sent they would be saving themselves alot of extra work, money and time as it is looking like the terminal extension is going to be delayed if the bus station doesn't move soon as planned.
Makes me wonder why they concreted the road surface of the two latest bus bays today. If they create more space between the bays then they will end up with less bays and all the existing ones are now in the wrong place.
Anyway here is today's new bays with fresh laid wet concrete and another three gaps that doesn't take a wheelchair as work starts on the next bay. Maybe everyone at the airport is so shocked they are all in denial as they carry on regardless or maybe someone has forgotten to tell these two guys that they should have stayed at home today.
Really you couldn't make this up.
Makes me wonder why they concreted the road surface of the two latest bus bays today. If they create more space between the bays then they will end up with less bays and all the existing ones are now in the wrong place.
Anyway here is today's new bays with fresh laid wet concrete and another three gaps that doesn't take a wheelchair as work starts on the next bay. Maybe everyone at the airport is so shocked they are all in denial as they carry on regardless or maybe someone has forgotten to tell these two guys that they should have stayed at home today.
Really you couldn't make this up.
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Transavia France
Starting Friday April 22nd, Transavia France will starts flying to Paris-Orly daily and increased to 12 weekly from May 3rd
Schedule:
TO3640 ORY 07:00-07:15 LTN 73H ex7
TO3646 ORY 19:15-19:20 LTN 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
TO3641 LTN 08:00-10:00 ORY 73H ex7
TO3647 LTN 20:05-22:05 ORY 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
Schedule:
TO3640 ORY 07:00-07:15 LTN 73H ex7
TO3646 ORY 19:15-19:20 LTN 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
TO3641 LTN 08:00-10:00 ORY 73H ex7
TO3647 LTN 20:05-22:05 ORY 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
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Thought the above post was a wind up but it is true. WHAT the F.. Are they anticipating more Eurostar trouble with Migrants and look at those morning arrivals times that are smack in the middle of the Wizz rush hour.
Seems that while Stansted is all huff and puff about all the airlines they are talking to Luton just gets on with signing contracts and remains silent. I wonder what Easyjet will do now they have some competition on the Paris route?
Seems that while Stansted is all huff and puff about all the airlines they are talking to Luton just gets on with signing contracts and remains silent. I wonder what Easyjet will do now they have some competition on the Paris route?
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Starting Friday April 22nd, Transavia France will starts flying to Paris-Orly daily and increased to 12 weekly from May 3rd
Schedule:
TO3640 ORY 07:00-07:15 LTN 73H ex7
TO3646 ORY 19:15-19:20 LTN 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
TO3641 LTN 08:00-10:00 ORY 73H ex7
TO3647 LTN 20:05-22:05 ORY 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
Schedule:
TO3640 ORY 07:00-07:15 LTN 73H ex7
TO3646 ORY 19:15-19:20 LTN 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
TO3641 LTN 08:00-10:00 ORY 73H ex7
TO3647 LTN 20:05-22:05 ORY 73H 7 (ex6 from May 3rd)
Very interesting, I thought that the London-Paris market has shrunk dramatically thanks to Eurostar but with Vueling recently confirming at LGW and now this, seems like growth is very much on the agenda.
Hopefully they'll do well and provide some good competition for easyJet
I wonder if Transavia will look beyond Paris? I can't see them taking on easyJet to Amsterdam but Rotterdam could be an option?
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I bet nobody saw that coming. One thing it makes for is an early arrival from Paris and late departure so making for a full day in London or elsewhere. Also good for Orly connections. I think that makes two things!
Transavia Holland did try Rotterdam from Stansted, Luton and Gatwick but it seems it didnīt work from any of the airports. Of course Transavia is now part of KLM-Air France so they might give another go.
Transavia Holland did try Rotterdam from Stansted, Luton and Gatwick but it seems it didnīt work from any of the airports. Of course Transavia is now part of KLM-Air France so they might give another go.
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BLIMEY!
Well done Marketing!
Ģ135 return inc bags during August and no doubt most of that APD etc.
Eurostar is packed out peak times and HUGE fares!
Due massive taxation, many French live in London and commute to Paris, this might help them save more money?
Well done Marketing!
Ģ135 return inc bags during August and no doubt most of that APD etc.
Eurostar is packed out peak times and HUGE fares!
Due massive taxation, many French live in London and commute to Paris, this might help them save more money?
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Don't forget as well that Transavia have just announced a new Munich base, and could expand elsewhere in Europe, so medium term potential for more than just French and Dutch routes. May prove to be a very useful airline for Luton to have attracted
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Due massive taxation, many French live in London and commute to Paris, this might help them save more money?
I was expecting more Spanish routes thanks to troubles in other sunshine destinations.
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I wonder why they didn't choose Stansted as that airport doesn't serve Paris? So Easyjet have 3 flights a day into CDG while Transavia have a further 2 into Orly from Luton. With Eurostar offering departures at some times of the day at every 30 minutes I thought it would have killed the Luton Paris service when Eurostar moved to St Pancras a few years ago but no I was wrong.
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I wonder why they didn't choose Stansted as that airport doesn't serve Paris? So Easyjet have 3 flights a day into CDG while Transavia have a further 2 into Orly from Luton. With Eurostar offering departures at some times of the day at every 30 minutes I thought it would have killed the Luton Paris service when Eurostar moved to St Pancras a few years ago but no I was wrong.
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When you think the French embassy estimates that between 300,00 and 400,000 French people live and work in London making its Franceīs sixth biggest city you can see why the Paris service has lasted. That figures does not take into account French people living and working outside the capital.