BOURNEMOUTH - 3
With Flybe's announcement to continue 195 ops at SOU I guess we can close discussion on BOH ops.
We can only speculate what concessions SOU finally had to make to keep all Flybe ops there. From past experience no doubt SOU will pass any savings on by screwing more for less out of the likes of NATS, Servisair etc!
We can only speculate what concessions SOU finally had to make to keep all Flybe ops there. From past experience no doubt SOU will pass any savings on by screwing more for less out of the likes of NATS, Servisair etc!
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And just when I thought this thread could not get more deluded along comes TCAS FAN. I mean seriously?! When was it ever fact that they were switching to BOH? Just because some plane geek on here has heard a rumour you are taking that as fact? For the record flybe will never operate a base at BOH. Maybe a low cost carrier could make it work but it begs the question why FR haven't? Come on wake up, BOH is a poor proposition.
Rivet Joint
If you look back at previous posts, I never speculated about a move, that was down to another. All I have done is express a view that such speculation could now be put to bed. I've no wish to see Flybe move out of SOU, I love stepping off a flight and arriving home twenty minutes later.
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that Flybe did use a threat of at least a splitting of schedules between SOU and BOH (prior to their announcement to keep the 195s?) as leverage to get SOU to reduce its charges. Seems to have worked.
If you look back at previous posts, I never speculated about a move, that was down to another. All I have done is express a view that such speculation could now be put to bed. I've no wish to see Flybe move out of SOU, I love stepping off a flight and arriving home twenty minutes later.
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that Flybe did use a threat of at least a splitting of schedules between SOU and BOH (prior to their announcement to keep the 195s?) as leverage to get SOU to reduce its charges. Seems to have worked.
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Rivet Joint please don't upset them. I love threads that start "what this airport needs" "airline X are going to operate X, X times a week to X" etc etc. Strange that the busiest airline in terms of flights never gets mentioned on this thread. With landing fees, parking etc it must be a nice little earner for the airport and regular income.
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If you are talking about Ryanair, wouldn't be too optimistic about the direct revenue that they pay the airport. Ryanair are notorious for screwing airports such as BOH into the ground over charges. Invariably its a case something like "we'll give you this take it or leave it if you want us to operate from your airport".
Sincerely doubt that Ryanair are paying anything near the going rate, either to BOH or its handling agent.
If you are talking about Ryanair, wouldn't be too optimistic about the direct revenue that they pay the airport. Ryanair are notorious for screwing airports such as BOH into the ground over charges. Invariably its a case something like "we'll give you this take it or leave it if you want us to operate from your airport".
Sincerely doubt that Ryanair are paying anything near the going rate, either to BOH or its handling agent.
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West Atlantic! Proper cargo not that self loading stuff. All you lot that get obsessed with PAX forget that BOH has many strings to it's bow. Could it be that even if it were true that FLYBE wanted to operate perhaps the BOH management said no unless on our terms.
Want a rumour then speculate when 787s will operate from BOH as there is a 787 towbar there. Mind you you could also speculate that DC6s will soon be operating as there is also a towbar available for the old lady as well.
Want a rumour then speculate when 787s will operate from BOH as there is a 787 towbar there. Mind you you could also speculate that DC6s will soon be operating as there is also a towbar available for the old lady as well.
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Government promises infrastructure boost to include improved road access to BOH.
BBC News - Bournemouth Airport and Poole port to benefit from £24m
Will BOH finally get a direct access from the Spur Road?
BBC News - Bournemouth Airport and Poole port to benefit from £24m
Will BOH finally get a direct access from the Spur Road?
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Will cost a lot more than that to provide a direct link to Airport from A338. And I can't see how resurfacing it will " unlock" the potential of the airport. We shall see....
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Agree Siggyboy. This Echo article suggests it will just be resurfacing of the A338 spur road and some junction improvements.VIDEO: £66m boost for Dorset will help industry take off (From Bournemouth Echo)
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So..they are going to add an extra lane from Cooper Dean Roundabout to Blackwater junction..then improvements from there to airport..its the mini roundabout at Hurn Village that's the problem. If they can improve the road, cut out that roundabout then I would say connections would be improved. Will it lead to a flood of new routes/airlines? Doubt it very much...
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The business park provides income directly to MAG , the aviation side has to run its own profit to survive so more flights are absolutely necessary to keep a healthy passenger operation going at the airport.
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Bournemouth handled 77 , 618 passengers in June down slightly 1.5 % on last year . The French air traffic strike saw a few Ryanair cancelled flights plus the loss of the Wroclaw route
Thomson averaged 95 % loads again
Dublin with Aer lingus saw an increase for the first time in a months with 1837 passengers using the route averaging about 44 pax
This route still remains to be seen if it will continue as a summer service only as finishes now in Sept
Thomson averaged 95 % loads again
Dublin with Aer lingus saw an increase for the first time in a months with 1837 passengers using the route averaging about 44 pax
This route still remains to be seen if it will continue as a summer service only as finishes now in Sept
Siggyboy
Wasn't that the perception when Ann Gloag bought Manston? What would the land at Southampton be worth for non aviation development, bearing in mind its strategic location?
Wasn't that the perception when Ann Gloag bought Manston? What would the land at Southampton be worth for non aviation development, bearing in mind its strategic location?
Southampton is a busy airport that either makes a good profit or should be more than capable of doing so.
Manston was not busy and has made losses for years.
HAH is not going to sell Southampton for £1 - something around £80m is more realistic
Please try to have a sense of perspective.
Manston was not busy and has made losses for years.
HAH is not going to sell Southampton for £1 - something around £80m is more realistic
Please try to have a sense of perspective.
Davidjohnson6
I do have a sense of perspective. In order for SOU to significantly expand the runway needs extending. Under the Section 106 Agreement that dear old BAA signed up to in order to smooth the path of the airport re-development, the runway can never be extended beyond 2000 metres and scheduled night flights between about 2300-0600 are limited to 10 per month.
To achieve a 2000 metre runway, or anything significant near to that, the rail yards north of the runway needs purchasing and flattening, plus a significant number of houses in Campbell Road (which runs across the runway 20 undershoot) need purchasing and flattening. Added to the shortage of A320/B737-800 parking space (add the Post Office Building to the shopping list?), where can the apron parking be extended?
A grandiose plan was hatched by BAA to build a second terminal in the north-east corner, well away from all the transport links. Such a building would have major problems, apart from duplication of resources, provision of utility services and last but not least, access. The latter would either need a tunnel under the extended runway, or access road around the north side in the vicinity of Campbell Road.
We are back to the bottom line, how much profit would SOU generate for a new owner without major runway work? Secondly what would (if indeed possible) it cost to secure the additional land for runway and apron development? What is the site worth for non-aviation development?
Time will tell.
I do have a sense of perspective. In order for SOU to significantly expand the runway needs extending. Under the Section 106 Agreement that dear old BAA signed up to in order to smooth the path of the airport re-development, the runway can never be extended beyond 2000 metres and scheduled night flights between about 2300-0600 are limited to 10 per month.
To achieve a 2000 metre runway, or anything significant near to that, the rail yards north of the runway needs purchasing and flattening, plus a significant number of houses in Campbell Road (which runs across the runway 20 undershoot) need purchasing and flattening. Added to the shortage of A320/B737-800 parking space (add the Post Office Building to the shopping list?), where can the apron parking be extended?
A grandiose plan was hatched by BAA to build a second terminal in the north-east corner, well away from all the transport links. Such a building would have major problems, apart from duplication of resources, provision of utility services and last but not least, access. The latter would either need a tunnel under the extended runway, or access road around the north side in the vicinity of Campbell Road.
We are back to the bottom line, how much profit would SOU generate for a new owner without major runway work? Secondly what would (if indeed possible) it cost to secure the additional land for runway and apron development? What is the site worth for non-aviation development?
Time will tell.